March Madness and Covid-19

[BoulderSooner]

f the economy. we dont sacrifice portions of our population to protect the rest. thats not civilization, i

actually we do this on a daily basis

and a yearly basis

 

[sheepdogs1]

Optimism and faith can get people killed in a situation like this. I have zero faith that my neighbors are taking this seriously enough, and neither should you.

BTW, the country of Inida, with its population of over 1 billion people is now trying to contain this. That's terrifying.

And there are times where prevention has little affect, be it an ounce worth or a truck load. And if you cannot have faith in others then why be?

 

[coolm]

Scared and hiding?....really? This is why I always run "words" through my filter and then look at the spectrum from where they came. I think a better choice of words would be self-contained and aware for the time being. I'm not going to spread fear because it doesn't do anyone any good. If you want to project your fear into the conversation....fine, it's a free country. But some of us choose a more optimistic outlook in times like these because comfort calms and we have faith in our neighbors and this country.

well I am glad you live in an area where you can have faith in your neighbors. MY neighbor Okies, otoh, watch fox news and still swear this is all a big political hoax. Right now I just want them to stop potentially spreading this cr@p. you try explaining to general Okies about asymptomatic positives spreading this and the only thing you hear is "the president (or governor) says it is safe". I have considered telling them it's an alien invasion to see if that would change their behavior. no avail. they'll just bring popcorn.

 

[stormspencer]

Optimism and faith can get people killed in a situation like this. I have zero faith that my neighbors are taking this seriously enough, and neither should you.

BTW, the country of Inida, with its population of over 1 billion people is now trying to contain this. That's terrifying.

Terrifying? And that is the difference between you and I Steve. I'm not going to get hysterical over things that I can't control. In my bubble (family, work, congregation), people are taking this very seriously and complying with standards and behavior set forth by the "experts". Is everyone doing this everywhere?.....of course not. But all I can do is my part.

I don't watch much of the news anymore because those outlets are there for viewers and clicks. Sure, they report some accurate information, but that information always seems to be through some type of lens unfortunately. If it bleeds, it leads. I'm almost 50 and the hysterics of social media have made it worse. I think everyone needs to take a breath.

 

[sheepdogs1]

well I am glad you live in an area where you can have faith in your neighbors. MY neighbor Okies, otoh, watch fox news and still swear this is all a big political hoax. Right now I just want them to stop potentially spreading this cr@p. you try explaining to general Okies about asymptomatic positives spreading this and the only thing you hear is "the president (or governor) says it is safe". I have considered telling them it's an alien invasion to see if that would change their behavior. no avail. they'll just bring popcorn.

Oxygen is your friend.

 

[WTSooner]

Oxygen is your friend.

Seriously. Good grief.

 

[steverocks35]

Terrifying? And that is the difference between you and I Steve. I'm not going to get hysterical over things that I can't control. In my bubble (family, work, congregation), people are taking this very seriously and complying with standards and behavior set forth by the "experts". Is everyone doing this everywhere?.....of course not. But all I can do is my part.

I don't watch much of the news anymore because those outlets are there for viewers and clicks. Sure, they report some accurate information, but that information always seems to be through some type of lens unfortunately. If it bleeds, it leads. I'm almost 50 and the hysterics of social media have made it worse. I think everyone needs to take a breath.

Am I hysterical? No, I'm calm, but this is terrifying in that the death toll is going to be incredible. If you are taking all the precautions, then you too have a level of fear. Fear is a good thing in this situation.

Assume everyone you see has the virus, most of them will before this is over.

 

[coolm]

Oxygen is your friend.

and what does that even mean? is that some wise-crack about being worried?

in an effort to try to comprehend the surface contamination issue ...
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/03/23/cdc...7cvxBhvuRY8Terg0Fl2cGg18khX8cn2RmXsrUwiqbNhL0

 

[steverocks35]

and what does that even mean? is that some wise-crack about being worried?

in an effort to try to comprehend the surface contamination issue ...
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/03/23/cdc...7cvxBhvuRY8Terg0Fl2cGg18khX8cn2RmXsrUwiqbNhL0

I saw that, it really starts to hit home when you realize how hardy the virus is. It makes me doubt the theory that the cases will lessen in the summertime.

 

[sheepdogs1]

Am I hysterical? No, I'm calm, but this is terrifying in that the death toll is going to be incredible. If you are taking all the precautions, then you too have a level of fear. Fear is a good thing in this situation.

Assume everyone you see has the virus, most of them will before this is over.

So the only effective thing we could do is to not overburden the healthcare system?

 

[steverocks35]

So the only effective thing we could do is to not overburden the healthcare system?

Correct, spread the cases out over a longer period of time so that they don't exceed the capacity of the system. That means that people that don't have Covid-19 but have other problems can get treated as well. If we overwhelm the system then your grandma has a stroke and needs to be on a vent, nope, out of luck. Grandma dies.

 

[sheepdogs1]

and what does that even mean? is that some wise-crack about being worried?

in an effort to try to comprehend the surface contamination issue ...
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/03/23/cdc...7cvxBhvuRY8Terg0Fl2cGg18khX8cn2RmXsrUwiqbNhL0

You will at times come across as being overextended with your summations of how everyone but yourself behaves in the moment. One bad apple does not spoil the whole bunch applies. You make it appear as if all of us Oklahomans are not worthy of life and can only lead others astray and this is just not accurate. If you want to get through to people you do it by staying in the realm of rationale, logic, common sense and reason for this provides perspective. Perspective has no substitutes.

And can you provide us with an update of how your buddy is doing?

 

[BoulderSooner]

Correct, spread the cases out over a longer period of time so that they don't exceed the capacity of the system. That means that people that don't have Covid-19 but have other problems can get treated as well. If we overwhelm the system then your grandma has a stroke and needs to be on a vent, nope, out of luck. Grandma dies.

i understand this ... what some don't seem to understand is that we as a country can't do what we are doing now (or a more restrictive lock down ) for 3 more months .

 

[steverocks35]

i understand this ... what some don't seem to understand is that we as a country can't do what we are doing now (or a more restrictive lock down ) for 3 more months .

Yes we can, we are the richest country in the world.

 

[BoulderSooner]

Yes we can, we are the richest country in the world.

1 more month makes this the great depression best case

3 months ...........................not something anyone really wants to even ponder

 

[steverocks35]

1 more month makes this the great depression best case

3 months ...........................not something anyone really wants to even ponder

Again, we are the richest country in the world. We pay for many wars like it's nothing, we can pay for this, if we have the will and the leadership. We will see about that last part.

 

[sheepdogs1]

Yes we can, we are the richest country in the world.

Do you live from paycheck to paycheck and have a number of mouths depending on you to feed them and such? And if not then how does your situation mirror theirs? We really travel through the "waters of life" in differing boats because we all have our own different set of circumstances. Mine is not yours and yours is not mine.

 

[sheepdogs1]

Again, we are the richest country in the world. We pay for many wars like it's nothing, we can pay for this, if we have the will and the leadership. We will see about that last part.

We have never paid for a war like this could be. And to the point how much of your wealth are you willing to give up for the cause? If you want others to do as such then it is fitting that you do as well.

 

[stormspencer]

Correct, spread the cases out over a longer period of time so that they don't exceed the capacity of the system. That means that people that don't have Covid-19 but have other problems can get treated as well. If we overwhelm the system then your grandma has a stroke and needs to be on a vent, nope, out of luck. Grandma dies.

And what you've described is the overarching issue. However, I don't believe that every county/locale is going to end up like New York or other high density population areas. If you live in NYC, you live on top of someone and someone lives on top of you. Also, you ride elevators frequently which are basically "infection boxes" in and of themselves. The infection is going to spread faster in those environments. From a statistical standpoint, we almost need to treat these specific high density areas as their own micro epidemiological models.....maybe even down to the city. I don't know if this is being done or not. But logic tells you that the cases/deaths will be much higher in these areas. What I don't know is if the math/ratios translate over into less populated areas where people aren't coming into as much contact with the amount of people that you would in a large city.

 

[steverocks35]

We have never paid for a war like this could be. And to the point how much of your wealth are you willing to give up for the cause? If you want others to do as such then it is fitting that you do as well.

Are you willing to die so my 401K won't go down as much?