March Madness and Covid-19

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sheepdogs1 said:
It was an opinion and nothing else. The FDA is testing the product and they are not the only entities. And lastly, Coolm, hate is not a solution. If you believe answers and solutions have a place in our lives then what is their origin? A foundation built upon reality or one built upon delusion? The choice should be a simple one.
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dont talk to me about hate while defending trump. that's just spitting in my face. trump needs to stop portraying himself as an expert for just this reason. people place their lives in his hands and he's more interested in the stock market numbers than lives lost.
 
coolm said:
dont talk to me about hate while defending trump. that's just spitting in my face. trump needs to stop portraying himself as an expert for just this reason. people place their lives in his hands and he's more interested in the stock market numbers than lives lost.
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Direct quote from the woman whose husband died from ingesting chloroquine. She’s in ICU:


“We saw Trump on TV -- every channel -- & all of his buddies and that this was safe," she said.
"Trump kept saying it was basically pretty much a cure."

She implored @VaughnHillyard: "Educate the people"
 
Eielson said:
I've been softening my stance over the past week. We've had a lot of people be discharged home without COVID testing because they were such low-risk, only to return a few days later and get intubated. NYC appears to be the epicenter of some nasty stuff, and it's been steadily spreading from there. I still haven't seen any young, healthy people drop dead, but we're already starting to run low on vents. Not all of that is COVID, but unfortunately people haven't stopped ODing. As has been noted in this thread, we will have some very difficult decisions coming.
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Thats not good, stay safe man, protect yourself!
 
coolm said:
dont talk to me about hate while defending trump. that's just spitting in my face. trump needs to stop portraying himself as an expert for just this reason. people place their lives in his hands and he's more interested in the stock market numbers than lives lost.
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Your last statement is purely an opinion and you talk about it as if it were fact. Facts can be tested and are empirical in nature.

He never told someone to self medicate and this is a fact. The person who died did self medicate and this is a fact. Anyone who self medicates without the consent of a professional is behaving in an irresponsible manner and qualifies as another fact. If you disagree then try doing the same to one of your coworkers and see how that pans out for both you and your coworker.

In closing I do not spit in people's faces for your hate accomplishes that feat all by itself.
 
steverocks35 said:
Thats not good, stay safe man, protect yourself!
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I'm not worried about myself, as I'm young and healthy. Unfortunately, that's not the case with any of my patients, so I have to take every precaution to avoid spreading it to them. If it were just about me, I'd have ditched PPE long ago.
 
OUAllDay28 said:
I think the point is that he should shut his mouth until there's real proof it works. It's pretty obvious he's just fishing for optimism to juice the markets.
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It's all in the markets. As the Kinks would say "paranoia big destroya." Once we get past the virus pandemic the next health movement should revolve around mental stability. There's plenty of material here to work with.
 
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coolm said:
you guys spend way too much time arguing over bias vice methodology. we're not talking about putting down the family dog here. there are at least thousands of lives at stake. and if you think having a strong economy outweighs their lives then you belong in a cage.
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It is not about having a strong economy. It is about having any economy at all
 
OUAllDay28 said:
I think the point is that he should shut his mouth until there's real proof it works. It's pretty obvious he's just fishing for optimism to juice the markets.
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So you think we should do nothing for years until we go through the usual process of getting drugs approved? COVID management is changing weekly, if not daily, and we're learning as we go. We don't have time to wait for things to undergo the usual process. Blaming Trump for this is silly, as it's something that has caught the whole world's attention. We're not implementing it on our patients because of anything Trump said -- we're implementing it because of papers like the one I linked above.
 
BoulderSooner said:
That is not all that it entails.

Today the doj is going to go after people for hoarding based on it
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I’m aware of that, but I was specifically talking about him directing companies to produce critically needed PPE and ventilators. He hasn’t done it, and nobody knows why.
 
Eielson said:
So you think we should do nothing for years until we go through the usual process of getting drugs approved? COVID management is changing weekly, if not daily, and we're learning as we go. We don't have time to wait for things to undergo the usual process. Blaming Trump for this is silly, as it's something that has caught the whole world's attention. We're not implementing it on our patients because of anything Trump said -- we're implementing it because of papers like the one I linked above.
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The people you are addressing do not realize they will be one of the primary reasons why he's reelected. They do not care about the common man, but they do care about themselves and they try to hoodwink us in the process. The more they protest the more the stake gets driven into their heart.
 
OUAllDay28 said:
I think the point is that he should shut his mouth until there's real proof it works. It's pretty obvious he's just fishing for optimism to juice the markets.
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This.

I watched all hour and 58 minutes of the presser that just concluded. It was evident from how many times he talked about the economy versus the virus. He even said a bad economy will cause more death than the spread of the virus would.
 
Eielson said:
So you think we should do nothing for years until we go through the usual process of getting drugs approved? COVID management is changing weekly, if not daily, and we're learning as we go. We don't have time to wait for things to undergo the usual process. Blaming Trump for this is silly, as it's something that has caught the whole world's attention. We're not implementing it on our patients because of anything Trump said -- we're implementing it because of papers like the one I linked above.
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No, I just think he personally should stick to his areas of expertise, spray tanning and declaring bankruptcy.
 
Pretty clear his experts. Understand the economic reality. 90 days to no country at all.
 
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