MBB TPT2 TRANSFER PORTAL THREAD 2

WTSooner said:
Where did I say I expected OU basketball to match OU football with a top 5 class? I said they should still be able to be a top 25-30 program. And my post wasn't even directed at you. If you don't like what I have to say, move on to the next post. Tire of you *****ing and complaining one minute about negative posts, then watching you post trash like this that does nothing but elicit a reply like this.

I do not care about your opinion. It's not respected by me. Does that help?
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Don't respond to my post then.

you CLEARLY know very little about basketball OR recruiting. You don't add anything constructive...just use it as a way to complain. You don't have to respect my opinion because I don't respect yours because 99% of everything you say is baseless.
 
You don't have to quote a post for someone to know who you are responding to.

Did I do that right?

Some people are literally to dumb for words.
 
Seymore Cox said:
I think the allure of NIL is giver than actuality. I heard Bacot got 50k last year. The rumor was he got a million.

For OU, I found out they have a collective where players can get 20k. However there are so many appearances and requirements to get it, it’s almost impossible.


Also Kentucky had to find loopholes for Oscar by having a camp in the Bahamas for extra days due to NIL being a law specifically for American players. So many international players and players from Canada are on the outside looking in.
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Yeah i don't believe any numbers in football or basketball. I knew basketball was BS when the rumors about how much Hill could get were posted. Hes not getting anything fancy at UNLV lol
 
WTSooner said:
If OU football can sign a top 5 class following a 6-7 season and with a relatively pedestrian NIL program currently, OU basketball should be able to recruit well enough to field a top 25-30 team. Coaching and development is still a thing, especially in basketball.
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Why? Ou fans aren’t entitled to having a top 25 program in any sport. The investment made into the football program over the last 70 years is what made the program great. Basketball investment has always been lackluster.

The game has changed and the ou donors are lagging even further behind. Ou isnt even close to top 25 NIL programs in the country for basketball. Ou isn’t even close to top 25 in arena/fan support. Others are stepping up while ou and its fans are getting passed by the miami and kstate type programs. It won’t change unless the fanbase makes significant changes in how they support the program.
 
TINY said:
Why? Ou fans aren’t entitled to having a top 25 program in any sport. The investment made into the football program over the last 70 years is what made the program great. Basketball investment has always been lackluster.

The game has changed and the ou donors are lagging even further behind. Ou isnt even close to top 25 NIL programs in the country for basketball. Ou isn’t even close to top 25 in arena/fan support. Others are stepping up while ou and its fans are getting passed by the miami and kstate type programs. It won’t change unless the fanbase makes significant changes in how they support the program.
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You can say all of that all you want, but over the last 50 years (random number), we're a top 25ish program. Nothing has changed, or not changed, that leads me to think we still shouldn't be, other than the string of coaches we've had. Period. You can disagree all you want. I wont' try to change your mind. Just know it's your opinion, and not a fact. My opinion just happens to differ. Get the right coach on board and OU basketball will be fine.
 
WTSooner said:
You can say all of that all you want, but over the last 50 years (random number), we're a top 25ish program. Nothing has changed, or not changed, that leads me to think we still shouldn't be, other than the string of coaches we've had. Period. You can disagree all you want. I wont' try to change your mind. Just know it's your opinion, and not a fact. My opinion just happens to differ. Get the right coach on board and OU basketball will be fine.
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That's true of any program. Billy and Kelvin are HOF coaches. If we have a HOF coach, yes, we can definitely be a top-25 program. HOF coaches don't grow on trees, though.
 
WTSooner said:
You can say all of that all you want, but over the last 50 years (random number), we're a top 25ish program. Nothing has changed, or not changed, that leads me to think we still shouldn't be, other than the string of coaches we've had. Period. You can disagree all you want. I wont' try to change your mind. Just know it's your opinion, and not a fact. My opinion just happens to differ. Get the right coach on board and OU basketball will be fine.
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Let’s play out your theory. How long would Jay wright stick around if he keeps getting dusted in NIL with a putrid arena/fanbase? That isn’t sustainable at all. Big time coaches want to be the best and that requires the program to try to be the best also. Ou basketball has never tried to be the best.
 
Eielson said:
That's true of any program. Billy and Kelvin are HOF coaches. If we have a HOF coach, yes, we can definitely be a top-25 program. HOF coaches don't grow on trees, though.
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Nobody on this planet thought Kelvin was a HOF coach while he was at OU. Not even me. He was a good coach. A coach that had a plan, could recruit to that plan, and got the most our of his guys. We need somebody similar, because, I agree, the recruiting landscape has changed some (at least for now). I thought PM "might" be that guy, but I haven't seen the player development and now he is moving away from his style to something he really hasn't done. That doesn't give me the warm fuzzies.
 
I agree with a lot of what is said about Kelvin. My deal with Kelvin though is he didn't often recruit those top tier guys some people on here pine over. He was very deliberate with what he was looking for most of the time. I appreciated the fact that he valued toughness and defensive tenacity. He looked for guys that really fit a system.

I'm curious how much harder today's environment would be to accomplish what guys like Kelvin did. He thrived on guys who were going to be around a while and develop. Today's system doesn't seem to value that much.
 
NorthCarolinaSooner said:
I agree with a lot of what is said about Kelvin. My deal with Kelvin though is he didn't often recruit those top tier guys some people on here pine over. He was very deliberate with what he was looking for most of the time. I appreciated the fact that he valued toughness and defensive tenacity. He looked for guys that really fit a system.

I'm curious how much harder today's environment would be to accomplish what guys like Kelvin did. He thrived on guys who were going to be around a while and develop. Today's system doesn't seem to value that much.
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If only there were a way to see how Kelvin would do in today's system. Oh well, I guess we'll never know.
 
WTSooner said:
Nobody on this planet thought Kelvin was a HOF coach while he was at OU. Not even me. He was a good coach. A coach that had a plan, could recruit to that plan, and got the most our of his guys.
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When he was hired, yes. When he left and took over at Indiana, I think most expected him to succeed and become a HOF coach. I certainly did.

Regardless, being wrong about what we had doesn't change what we had.
 
steverocks35 said:
If only there were a way to see how Kelvin would do in today's system. Oh well, I guess we'll never know.
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It will be interesting to see at what level his Houston teams play on a consistent basis now in the Big 12. He had a great head start building a team in a below average conference to get them ready for a bigger conference and his name and previous success helped with that. Can they live up to the hype/expectations of some on this board that it seems feel he will walk into the big 12 and still win 25+ a season and compete for top 3 in the conference every year? It'll be fun to watch that play out.
 
Maverick008 said:
It will be interesting to see at what level his Houston teams play on a consistent basis now in the Big 12. He had a great head start building a team in a below average conference to get them ready for a bigger conference and his name and previous success helped with that. Can they live up to the hype/expectations of some on this board that it seems feel he will walk into the big 12 and still win 25+ a season and compete for top 3 in the conference every year? It'll be fun to watch that play out.
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I don't think anything about his situation can be called a head start. He took over an unbelievably bad program that had zero fan engagement and no recent success. The AAC isn't great, but is certainly not below average -- it is annually one of the 8 or so best leagues. To build a consistent top 10 program as quickly as he did is nothing short of amazing. And he has already shown to be very savvy in brining in portal guys.

Of course they won't have the same winning percentage in the Big 12, assuming the conference stays this good. But as long as he continues coaching, the odds are very good that they will remain a major factor nationally.
 
WichitaSooner said:
I don't think anything about his situation can be called a head start. He took over an unbelievably bad program that had zero fan engagement and no recent success. The AAC isn't great, but is certainly not below average -- it is annually one of the 8 or so best leagues. To build a consistent top 10 program as quickly as he did is nothing short of amazing. And he has already shown to be very savvy in brining in portal guys.

Of course they won't have the same winning percentage in the Big 12, assuming the conference stays this good. But as long as he continues coaching, the odds are very good that they will remain a major factor nationally.
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A head start in regards to building the program to be able to compete in the big 12. Had he started with the same "in the dumps" program IN the big 12 I would have bet money on it that it wouldn't have been turned around nearly as quick as it was or to the level he has them at currently is all I was saying. He has created TONS of momentum and being in that conference gave him a chance to do that the way he did.

Top 8 conference is now considered "best"? Yet OU pulls recruits from a "bad" ACC and the world is falling apart lol
 
NorthCarolinaSooner said:
https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id...view-houston-kelvin-sampson-head-coaching-job

that should tell you something


my real point was that Kelvin and every coach has to learn to adjust their recruiting, etc to fit today but the fact that he is looking at NBA jobs again says something. What that something is I don't know but I have some guesses.
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Yep, and he, and many others, learned quickly.

And if you read the full stories, he isn't shopping for NBA jobs. He was offered an interview with a team he used to work for. It sounds like he was glad to use the interview and have his name out there because it may impress recruits.
 
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