MBB TPT2 TRANSFER PORTAL THREAD 2

[NorthCarolinaSooner]

Yep, and he, and many others, learned quickly.

And if you read the full stories, he isn't shopping for NBA jobs. He was offered an interview with a team he used to work for. It sounds like he was glad to use the interview and have his name out there because it may impress recruits.

Well, one thing it did to get his name out there was get attention of his bosses. They are already talking about restructuring his contract. Well played sir.....well played. LOL

 

[steverocks35]

https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id...view-houston-kelvin-sampson-head-coaching-job

that should tell you something


my real point was that Kelvin and every coach has to learn to adjust their recruiting, etc to fit today but the fact that he is looking at NBA jobs again says something. What that something is I don't know but I have some guesses.

Houston was number one in the nation most of the season so I'm pretty sure he has a handle on recruiting in today's system

 

[mict085]

Houston was number one in the nation most of the season so I'm pretty sure he has a handle on recruiting in today's system

Kelvin has built Houston into a dangerous team but being ranked number 1 for a time during the regular season is not a metric that really means anything. Houston hasn’t been to the FF or won anything other than a weak conference. A lot of teams get over ranked during the season. However, kelvin has definitely done well and built a winner.

 

[steverocks35]

Kelvin has built Houston into a dangerous team but being ranked number 1 for a time during the regular season is not a metric that really means anything. Houston hasn’t been to the FF or won anything other than a weak conference. A lot of teams get over ranked during the season. However, kelvin has definitely done well and built a winner.

It's a metric that means you have a good team, that's all.

 

[WichitaSooner]

Kelvin has built Houston into a dangerous team but being ranked number 1 for a time during the regular season is not a metric that really means anything. Houston hasn’t been to the FF or won anything other than a weak conference. A lot of teams get over ranked during the season. However, kelvin has definitely done well and built a winner.

Well, they did make the FF just two years ago.

 

[NorthCarolinaSooner]

Houston was number one in the nation most of the season so I'm pretty sure he has a handle on recruiting in today's system

I'm well aware of what Kelvin has done and I am also aware that if they want someone and need NIL backing that they have a billionaire that is willing to pony up whatever they need.

More so, my original point is Kelvin isn't as concerned with rankings and stars when he recruits. He has always done a good job of identifying what he needs within his system and go get guys that fit it. Now, he is going to have the Big 12 to sell guys and all the backing he needs ($$$$$$) that he would not get if he were still at OU.

 

[61sooner]

Is there anything more than 7-8 bench players left looking in the portal?
Can OU make the top 8 in an expanded Big 12 next season?
Is at least the NIT a hope?

 

[cowboysooner]

Just my opinion, but there is absolutely zero correlation with how a particular coach did, or didn't recruit, when comparing to a current coach. The game is completely different and recruiting is so different that trying to compare is worthless. Same with building a program now versus in the old days (3 years ago or more). Like comparing someone's horse and buggy to a current coaches vstol fighter jet. Tradition, fan base, loyalty, coaching development, facilities are all irrelevant now. It is just a money game. Perhaps, but unlikely, style of play and personal relationships could have a minor effect on recruiting. But, this would only be true unless there isn't much difference in the money.

Hate it. But, we are in a different day and age, and the game we all have grown to love is completely gone. I gave up on the Olympics years ago. It is just a pro event. I may be getting there with the college sports. Pro sports lost my interest many years ago for many reasons.

As for recruiting, I enjoy following it. But, don't really judge a coach by it, I just look to see if he wins after having been given a fair chance. It doesn't matter to me if he/she wins with 2 star players or 5 star players. I also care about how he treats the kids and program and how he comports himself. But having said that, I agree that ultimately he has to be judged by winning or losing at the collegiate level. By "winning", I believe that to be relative to what he has to work with. I don't think it is fair to judge an Oklahoma coach with a coach at Kansas. In the same way, I don't think you can just the coach at Kansas in football with a coach at Oklahoma (who has vastly more resources).

 

[steverocks35]

I'm well aware of what Kelvin has done and I am also aware that if they want someone and need NIL backing that they have a billionaire that is willing to pony up whatever they need.

More so, my original point is Kelvin isn't as concerned with rankings and stars when he recruits. He has always done a good job of identifying what he needs within his system and go get guys that fit it. Now, he is going to have the Big 12 to sell guys and all the backing he needs ($$$$$$) that he would not get if he were still at OU.

You said he was looking at NBA jobs so I'm not sure what point you're trying to make. You're all over the place.

 

[NorthCarolinaSooner]

You said he was looking at NBA jobs so I'm not sure what point you're trying to make. You're all over the place.

That he was willing to listen to jobs outside of college now.

You can say "he was just giving a courtesy to XYZ", etc....but either way he was willing to listen. Could it be that he has true NBA aspirations? Absolutely

Could it be that he thinks the new college landscape is tiresome? Also absolutely. Which is why I said I don't know what his intentions are.

I mean you could try to make an argument out of every post I make and read into what you want. I was pointing out general stuff about recruiting changing and guys having to adjust...some will, some won't....some will have an advantage others don't (i.e. a billionaire backer willing to pay up to make a team competitive.) Oregon, Miami, Houston all have that at their disposal if they choose...or if they need it.

 

[NorthCarolinaSooner]

Just my opinion, but there is absolutely zero correlation with how a particular coach did, or didn't recruit, when comparing to a current coach. The game is completely different and recruiting is so different that trying to compare is worthless. Same with building a program now versus in the old days (3 years ago or more). Like comparing someone's horse and buggy to a current coaches vstol fighter jet. Tradition, fan base, loyalty, coaching development, facilities are all irrelevant now. It is just a money game. Perhaps, but unlikely, style of play and personal relationships could have a minor effect on recruiting. But, this would only be true unless there isn't much difference in the money.

Hate it. But, we are in a different day and age, and the game we all have grown to love is completely gone. I gave up on the Olympics years ago. It is just a pro event. I may be getting there with the college sports. Pro sports lost my interest many years ago for many reasons.

As for recruiting, I enjoy following it. But, don't really judge a coach by it, I just look to see if he wins after having been given a fair chance. It doesn't matter to me if he/she wins with 2 star players or 5 star players. I also care about how he treats the kids and program and how he comports himself. But having said that, I agree that ultimately he has to be judged by winning or losing at the collegiate level. By "winning", I believe that to be relative to what he has to work with. I don't think it is fair to judge an Oklahoma coach with a coach at Kansas. In the same way, I don't think you can just the coach at Kansas in football with a coach at Oklahoma (who has vastly more resources).

I agree with everything you said. Some people will try to make it out as something else but the game absolutely has changed in the last three years. NIL and the transfer portal have done that. Some schools had the ability to adjust on the fly because things were in place at their schools or in their state....some weren't and are still trying to adjust but are hampered to an extent by things out of their control (or some in their control). I think it will all work itself out over time but everything has fundamentally changed and some people want to compare it to what it was before when you simply can't.

I think, in the end game, we have all bickered back and forth over semantics but we all want the same thing (OU to be successful) but we disagree on the approach of how it needs to happen. There is really no way to know who is wrong, who is right, or if any of us know anything about it. It will work itself out. Some people will just be more patient about it than others....and that is ok too.

 

[WTSooner]

That he was willing to listen to jobs outside of college now.

You can say "he was just giving a courtesy to XYZ", etc....but either way he was willing to listen. Could it be that he has true NBA aspirations? Absolutely

Could it be that he thinks the new college landscape is tiresome? Also absolutely. Which is why I said I don't know what his intentions are.

I mean you could try to make an argument out of every post I make and read into what you want. I was pointing out general stuff about recruiting changing and guys having to adjust...some will, some won't....some will have an advantage others don't (i.e. a billionaire backer willing to pay up to make a team competitive.) Oregon, Miami, Houston all have that at their disposal if they choose...or if they need it.

You keep mentioning the millionaire backer that UH has, but I haven't seen anything to suggest he is heavily involved in NIL, especially with the basketball program. Everything I've read has outside, 3rd party companies being the ones that are providing NIL to individual basketball players. Can you find something in print that says otherwise?

I don't think UH is out there buying players. But some around here think everytime a team outperforms OU, it's NIL related. What great NIL did we use to land the last 4 top 100 HS recruits? What NIL was given to McCollum?

NOT EVERY PLAYER IS BOUGHT.

 

[cowboysooner]

I really hope you are right NorthCarolina when you suggest things will work themselves out. I am not sure we aren't seeing the end of amateur sports and going to an non-transparent minor league professional product. That will be fine for some, but will lose my interest.

As usual, greed and need for power, in this instance by Universities and television companies wanting to make hundreds of millions of dollars on the back of kids that aren't getting a fraction of those funds, has destroyed a beautiful thing full of tradition and loyalty. I just don't see anyway of putting the thing back in the bottle.

 

[steverocks35]

You keep mentioning the millionaire backer that UH has, but I haven't seen anything to suggest he is heavily involved in NIL, especially with the basketball program. Everything I've read has outside, 3rd party companies being the ones that are providing NIL to individual basketball players. Can you find something in print that says otherwise?

I don't think UH is out there buying players. But some around here think everytime a team outperforms OU, it's NIL related. What great NIL did we use to land the last 4 top 100 HS recruits? What NIL was given to McCollum?

NOT EVERY PLAYER IS BOUGHT.

That's kind of what has me scratching my head. If it's all about the NIL and our NIL sucks how do we get any decent recruits?

So either our NIL is better than we think or NIL is not as important as some think. I honestly don't know which it is.

 

[NorthCarolinaSooner]

You keep mentioning the millionaire backer that UH has, but I haven't seen anything to suggest he is heavily involved in NIL, especially with the basketball program. Everything I've read has outside, 3rd party companies being the ones that are providing NIL to individual basketball players. Can you find something in print that says otherwise?

I don't think UH is out there buying players. But some around here think everytime a team outperforms OU, it's NIL related. What great NIL did we use to land the last 4 top 100 HS recruits? What NIL was given to McCollum?

NOT EVERY PLAYER IS BOUGHT.

I didn't say every team that outperforms OU is doing it through NIL....but you also refuse to accept that NIL has changed the landscape of college basketball. It simply isn't the same. Just looking at a few articles on Houston and NIL



Here are some:

https://www.on3.com/nil/news/housto...eals-daspit-law-firm-linkingcoogs-collective/

https://uh.edu/news-events/stories/2016/August/082516FertittaCenter.php
(Fertitta drops $20 mil to help renovate the basketball facilities)

https://www.on3.com/nil/news/housto...-basketball-players-to-nil-deals-jamal-shead/


https://gocoogs.com/every-mbb-student-manager-receives-their-own-nil-deal/ (UH student managers even get a NIL deal)




https://www.indystar.com/story/spor...adness-transfer-portal-nba-draft/65373592007/


"College basketball has been hit by a series of high-profile retirements (UNC’s Roy Williams, Duke’s Mike Krzyzewski and Villanova’s Jay Wright chiefly among them) in the past two years. Not all were necessarily related to NIL, but behind closed doors, some active coaches are looking for a path out of the college game, disinterested in managing the uncertainty of this new era."

I also posted an article earlier in this thread about how NIL is changing college sports....particularly basketball.

 

[inoref]

I'm happy for the players that can make some $$$, I mean why not, most coaches been over paid for years

 

[WTSooner]

I didn't say every team that outperforms OU is doing it through NIL....but you also refuse to accept that NIL has changed the landscape of college basketball. It simply isn't the same. Just looking at a few articles on Houston and NIL



Here are some:

https://www.on3.com/nil/news/housto...eals-daspit-law-firm-linkingcoogs-collective/

https://uh.edu/news-events/stories/2016/August/082516FertittaCenter.php
(Fertitta drops $20 mil to help renovate the basketball facilities)

https://www.on3.com/nil/news/housto...-basketball-players-to-nil-deals-jamal-shead/


https://gocoogs.com/every-mbb-student-manager-receives-their-own-nil-deal/ (UH student managers even get a NIL deal)




https://www.indystar.com/story/spor...adness-transfer-portal-nba-draft/65373592007/


"College basketball has been hit by a series of high-profile retirements (UNC’s Roy Williams, Duke’s Mike Krzyzewski and Villanova’s Jay Wright chiefly among them) in the past two years. Not all were necessarily related to NIL, but behind closed doors, some active coaches are looking for a path out of the college game, disinterested in managing the uncertainty of this new era."

I also posted an article earlier in this thread about how NIL is changing college sports....particularly basketball.

Answer my question. Show me something that shows Fertitta is funding any part oh UH’s NIL.

 

[NorthCarolinaSooner]

Answer my question. Show me something that shows Fertitta is funding any part oh UH’s NIL.

I said in that post that some are coming through with donations (i.e. facility improvements) and some NIL (Mattress Mack) and their NIL is solid.

Look man...some of you want to make this a PM problem for 90 pages....and will explain or complain away every point made in order to make this something it isn't. Moser has a fair share of blame but so do other parts..including NIL....you want to compare stuff from 20 years ago when it is not the same. I realize not every player is bought but, like the article I posted..even marginal guys are often looking at NIL. UH has NIL for team managers for Pete's sake.

I already said I agree with some of your points. I agree OU should be better. I just think it is as much on outside stuff as it is on PM. He needs to do better but the other parts do too. (NIL, facilities, fans, etc)

Who is the last Donor that put up $20 mil at OU for anything basketball related?

And if you read my post I didn't say Fertitta was funding NIL...I said we don't have a billionaire involved enough that we can fall back on when we need something..

 

[thebigabd]

Texas Tech Red Raiders


G- Chance McMillian (6'3'' 185) - Transfer from Grand Canyon University. Averaged 10.8 points, 3.2 rebounds and 2.2 assists per game last year.

G-Pop Isaacs (6'2'' 170) - Big 12 All-Freshman Team honors during his first season at Tech where he averaged 11.5 points, 2.7 assists, 1.1 steals and 2.0 rebounds per game… Finished third in scoring among freshmen in the Big 12 and was fourth throughout the conference by averaging 2.5 made 3-pointers per game… Started 24 of 25 games played with seven games missed due to injury… Led Tech with 62 made 3-pointers during the season and averaged 12.4 points in Big 12 games

F-Darrion Williams (6'6'' 210) - Transfer from Nevada. Mountain West Freshman of the Year last season after earning Nevada Gatorade Player of the Year following his senior year of high school. Williams averaged 7.7 points, 7.3 rebounds, 2.7 assists, and 1.4 steals per game as a freshman last season at Nevada

F- KyeRon Lindsay (6'8'' 205) - Transfer from Georgia. Lindsay played in 10 games as a freshman at Georgia before deciding to put his name into the transfer portal at midterm... Started 8 of 10 games for the Bulldogs, finishing with 6.2 points and 5.2 rebounds per game... Recorded a double-double in his third collegiate game after going for 14 points and 10 rebounds against Miami-Ohio after scoring 10 points against Wake Forest

C- Warren Washington (7'0'' 225) - Transfer from Arizona State. Averaged 9.2 points, 6.9 rebounds and 1.8 blocks for the Sun Devils who advanced to the NCAA Tournament. He started 34 games last season at ASU and led the team by shooting 56.3 percent from the field along with his rebounding and blocks averages.

 

[allday92]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bjzjJdI6XOE

This is me every time I come in here looking for OU related updates