MBB TPT2 TRANSFER PORTAL THREAD 2

TINY said:
Thanks, Abe. This is how the game is played now. Previous expectations of the program are not all that relevant currently imo.

With the new legislation, we should be more competitive. I don’t anticipate we will be dropping $300-$500k on a portal guy anytime soon, though.
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People are overvaluing the new legislation and it's impact. Those Collectives already exist. There are 2-3 big ones for OU. OU no being able to talk about them and market them isn't going to result in some massive funding. Anybody that had large amounts to give wasn't NOT giving because they weren't aware, or because OU couldn't actively market. I don't expect that to change much.

Most of these other schools simply have companies that are willing to give the bigger dollars to the players as NIL. That's really the way it is supposed to work. A lot of those companies don't have big ties to the school the athlete plays for. Again, IMO, that is the way this is supposed to work.

I don't think OU is in nearly as bad of shape, NIL-wise, as some make us out to be. Yes, we likely won't get the kids that want a ton of money and that is their only focus. OU football is steering clear of those kids too. But there are plenty of kids that aren't breaking the bank. If OU or the Collectives or whomever need to improve on anything, it's finding non-OU money to funnel to some of these players.
 
Abe said:
-Previous portal recruits the last 2 years, in part, they came to OU because there were risks of not being able to get wavers.
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who came because of a risk they would not get a waiver?

no one I can think of the last 2 seasons
 
WTSooner said:
People are overvaluing the new legislation and it's impact. Those Collectives already exist. There are 2-3 big ones for OU. OU no being able to talk about them and market them isn't going to result in some massive funding. Anybody that had large amounts to give wasn't NOT giving because they weren't aware, or because OU couldn't actively market. I don't expect that to change much.

Most of these other schools simply have companies that are willing to give the bigger dollars to the players as NIL. That's really the way it is supposed to work. A lot of those companies don't have big ties to the school the athlete plays for. Again, IMO, that is the way this is supposed to work.

I don't think OU is in nearly as bad of shape, NIL-wise, as some make us out to be. Yes, we likely won't get the kids that want a ton of money and that is their only focus. OU football is steering clear of those kids too. But there are plenty of kids that aren't breaking the bank. If OU or the Collectives or whomever need to improve on anything, it's finding non-OU money to funnel to some of these players.
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I'll take the word of the pros on this one. You literally are speculating and the people at the top actually said this was a game changer.
 
NorthCarolinaSooner said:
I'll take the word of the pros on this one. You literally are speculating and the people at the top actually said this was a game changer.
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Everyone is speculating. Heck, we have had posters blindly speculating for months about other programs and their NIL funds. It's been the single biggest excuse people have used to explain our failure to land blue chip portal guys.
 
NIL turning into a fraud for most:

Promise one thing and deliver Pennies.

High end folks are getting paid. Middle tier aren’t making much compared to them
 
NorthCarolinaSooner said:
I'll take the word of the pros on this one. You literally are speculating and the people at the top actually said this was a game changer.
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I just use common sense. That is what separates me and a handful of others on this site. There is literally NOTHING stopping people from getting money to players for NIL if that is what they want to do. Nothing. OU being able to market it better will help a little, but it's not going to change things significantly. Why would it?
 
CoachTalk said:
NIL turning into a fraud for most:

Promise one thing and deliver Pennies.

High end folks are getting paid. Middle tier aren’t making much compared to them
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And you’re crazy if you don’t think this will affect inter-team dynamics. It’s no different from the pros, which is fine. I would just prefer we drop the “student athlete” nonsense altogether. Just sign a contract with a school for your services—- a one year deal might net you less than a 2,3, or 4 year deal, etc. You are then an employee of a university hired to fulfill a contract. No scholarship or school requirement attached. Let’s just move on with this.
 
OUSKINS said:
And you’re crazy if you don’t think this will affect inter-team dynamics. It’s no different from the pros, which is fine. I would just prefer we drop the “student athlete” nonsense altogether. Just sign a contract with a school for your services—- a one year deal might net you less than a 2,3, or 4 year deal, etc. You are then an employee of a university hired to fulfill a contract. No scholarship or school requirement attached. Let’s just move on with this.
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that is where it is heading .
 
BoulderSooner said:
that is where it is heading .
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A college/university fielding a team that included few or even no students would be absurd. There would be no justification for an association between the team and the school. I agree that we're closer than many of us would prefer to that situation now but as much as things have changed in recent years, that would be another leap in the wrong (in the eyes of many, including me) direction. I have to think the current Wild West scenario will be tamed to some degree in years to come.

If we truly do move on to universities fielding teams with athletes that aren't students, that'll be the end of it for me. If I want to watch professionals play, I'll watch the NBA, the NFL and MLB. I don't watch minor league baseball (though it has its appeal; when I'm on a summer road trip, I'll occasionally take in a game) or the G league and I wouldn't watch other minor league sports simply because the teams had the names of universities on their uniforms. Because the things that make pro sports less appealing to many of us would without a doubt arise in college sports, too.
 
skyvue said:
A college/university fielding a team that included few or even no students would be absurd.
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Did you go to OU? The football team only has a few real students on scholarship.

There would be no justification for an association between the team and the school.
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I can think of >100M reasons.
 
skyvue said:
A college/university fielding a team that included few or even no students would be absurd. There would be no justification for an association between the team and the school. I agree that we're closer than many of us would prefer to that situation now but as much as things have changed in recent years, that would be another leap in the wrong (in the eyes of many, including me) direction. I have to think the current Wild West scenario will be tamed to some degree in years to come.

If we truly do move on to universities fielding teams with athletes that aren't students, that'll be the end of it for me. If I want to watch professionals play, I'll watch the NBA, the NFL and MLB. I don't watch minor league baseball (though it has its appeal; when I'm on a summer road trip, I'll occasionally take in a game) or the G league and I wouldn't watch other minor league sports simply because the teams had the names of universities on their uniforms. Because the things that make pro sports less appealing to many of us would without a doubt arise in college sports, too.
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Sky you better brace yourself. The ncaa has no balls and cant tell the players no ever anymore. The players will always want more and want to give less (i.e., go to school). College sports for bball and football are in their finals days unless the ncaa grows a pair rapidly
 
hoopsaustin said:
Sky you better brace yourself. The ncaa has no balls and cant tell the players no ever anymore. The players will always want more and want to give less (i.e., go to school). College sports for bball and football are in their finals days unless the ncaa grows a pair rapidly
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the NCAA doesn't have the legal power to do much ..
 
skyvue said:
A college/university fielding a team that included few or even no students would be absurd. There would be no justification for an association between the team and the school. I agree that we're closer than many of us would prefer to that situation now but as much as things have changed in recent years, that would be another leap in the wrong (in the eyes of many, including me) direction. I have to think the current Wild West scenario will be tamed to some degree in years to come.

If we truly do move on to universities fielding teams with athletes that aren't students, that'll be the end of it for me. If I want to watch professionals play, I'll watch the NBA, the NFL and MLB. I don't watch minor league baseball (though it has its appeal; when I'm on a summer road trip, I'll occasionally take in a game) or the G league and I wouldn't watch other minor league sports simply because the teams had the names of universities on their uniforms. Because the things that make pro sports less appealing to many of us would without a doubt arise in college sports, too.
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Yep. there would be literally no point of having non students competing.
Why would anyone watch that instead of a professional league?
 
Eielson said:
Did you go to OU? The football team only has a few real students on scholarship.

I can think of >100M reasons.
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I graduated from OU and you are wrong. In 2021, to name just one year, Sooner athletes graduated at a rate of 89%.

And given that most of the money taken in by the athletic department stays with the athletic department, that argument doesn't fly. And the vast majority of athletic departments aren't fully self-funding, as OU's is. We're discussing a system-wide change, not just at OU.
 
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