MBB TPT2 TRANSFER PORTAL THREAD 2

[WTSooner]

what you are describing and what you actually do are not close to the same thing

Because you say so? I know it's your site and you can do what you want, but when is the last time YOU engaged in some good conversation about something actually basketball related?

All you do is drop some little one liners and occasionally post about an offer or a visit. It floors me that you wouldn't want to do more to promote good, healthy conversations about OU basketball, Big 12 basketball, and college basketball in general.

But you're quick to show up to tell folks not to talk about those things just because they don't align with your sunshine beliefs. That is crazy to me.

Show me I'm wrong. Show me the last time you had more than one post of any substance about an actual topic.

 

[TINY]

what you are describing and what you actually do are not close to the same thing

No way, Boulder. They are innocent victims of message board abuse!

 

[SoonerBounce13]

Because you say so?

I say so as well FWIW

There is being a realists and there is being a negative nancy debbie downer.
I often think of the SNL skit when I see the infamous two posters names pop up

 

[jrich02]

This board blows my mind. Lon Kruger, hall of fame coach who took how many programs to the final 4 and is one of the best humans out there, used to get tons of crap about not using timeouts or not having offensive structure, etc.

But now all of these people want to protect a coach that has missed the tourney the last 2 years, paces the sideline like an addict, and is a complete micro manager of what happens on the court when the game has moved to a less structured free flowing style. Just don't understand it at all.

 

[CoachTalk]

What I mind about you is this -- yes, you occasionally get a scoop or tidbit. But when you respond to criticism of the program or Moser, you rarely, if ever, offer any actual thoughts. Your response is frequently just a "lol" or some similar comment. I have never complained about it when you have done it to me. I simply replied to Sooner04's question, which was in response to how you responded to another poster's legitimate question about Hump. That poster asked a good question, and your response was to mock him. You didn't explain why you disagreed, or why you think Hump is a good coach or recruiter.

That has become your MO. If you think Moser has done a good job and doesn't deserve the blame for our last-place program, how about offering some actual reasons to back your opinion? As for know-it-all posts . . . I am not the one who tries to claim insider status or hype up my coaching experience. I have never pretended to be anything other than a fan. One who as recently as two years ago was called a homer and sunshine pumper because I was seen as overly satisfied with things under Lon.

I’ve said this year is make or break. Needs to be improvement!! Or that seat is really warm!

 

[Soonerinkc]

This board blows my mind. Lon Kruger, hall of fame coach who took how many programs to the final 4 and is one of the best humans out there, used to get tons of crap about not using timeouts or not having offensive structure, etc.

But now all of these people want to protect a coach that has missed the tourney the last 2 years, paces the sideline like an addict, and is a complete micro manager of what happens on the court when the game has moved to a less structured free flowing style. Just don't understand it at all.

Not me… as far as 2nd part

 

[NorthCarolinaSooner]

What I mind about you is this -- yes, you occasionally get a scoop or tidbit. But when you respond to criticism of the program or Moser, you rarely, if ever, offer any actual thoughts. Your response is frequently just a "lol" or some similar comment. I have never complained about it when you have done it to me. I simply replied to Sooner04's question, which was in response to how you responded to another poster's legitimate question about Hump. That poster asked a good question, and your response was to mock him. You didn't explain why you disagreed, or why you think Hump is a good coach or recruiter.

That has become your MO. If you think Moser has done a good job and doesn't deserve the blame for our last-place program, how about offering some actual reasons to back your opinion? As for know-it-all posts . . . I am not the one who tries to claim insider status or hype up my coaching experience. I have never pretended to be anything other than a fan. One who as recently as two years ago was called a homer and sunshine pumper because I was seen as overly satisfied with things under Lon.

I'll respond to this because I feel like part of it is about me. I'm not attacking here, just discussing. I agree with some of your opinions and I feel like PM needs to step up this year or get out. There should be reasonable expectations but I feel like you and WT post negative thoughts on almost every post. That gets old. But again, I'm not attacking you and not what this post is for.

I don't talk about coaching to brag or pat myself on the back. I simply state it for those that MIGHT want a coaching viewpoint on things. Yes, I do have a different view on things because I look at it from a little different lens having gone through some of the things personally, albeit at a smaller level. A typical fan has never gone through some of the stuff so they may not see it from that view. Also, a coach will often look at the strategy side of things from a different view. It's fine if you guys disagree with me because I obviously disagree with your views often. I'm just making an attempt to be civil and not argue about it because you have a right to your opinion.

I appreciate the insider info from coachtalk and look forward to his input.

I reasonably expect disagreements but it would be great if you guys were a little less pessimistic on every post when people are trying to share info or whenever we discuss every player. It's your right to express your opinions though.

 

[SoonerBounce13]

This board blows my mind. Lon Kruger, hall of fame coach who took how many programs to the final 4 and is one of the best humans out there, used to get tons of crap about not using timeouts or not having offensive structure, etc.

But now all of these people want to protect a coach that has missed the tourney the last 2 years, paces the sideline like an addict, and is a complete micro manager of what happens on the court when the game has moved to a less structured free flowing style. Just don't understand it at all.

LOL...nobody is "protecting" moser. Nobody is happy with the results

Some of us thinks he gets 1-2 more years. Some of us think 2 years is enough. But nobody is happy.

 

[WTSooner]

I say so as well FWIW

There is being a realists and there is being a negative nancy debbie downer.
I often think of the SNL skit when I see the infamous two posters names pop up

I've said several times in recent days that I expect the team to be better than last year. That I think overall guard play will definitely be better. That I think it's a team on paper that should certainly be able to make the Tournament.

Nobody responds to those comments. You all only want to pay attention to and fuss over the other stuff. Is it untrue that PM and his staff didn't do a great job of putting together our roster in terms of 4/5 men? Is it untrue that we should be in a "see it to believe it" position when it comes to PM saying he wants to play faster, considering he said the same thing last year? Is it untrue for another poster to mention that we really haven't seen anything out of Hump yet as a coach? You call that negative, I call it asking good questions or wanting to discuss stuff that is wrong with our program. It isn't negative to want to talk about our problems.

 

[BoulderSooner]

LOL...nobody is "protecting" moser. Nobody is happy with the results

Some of us thinks he gets 1-2 more years. Some of us think 2 years is enough. But nobody is happy.

agree with this

being pessimistic is fine ..... wanting better is fine ...


bringing the negativity to every single thread all the time gets very very old ..

 

[tmeyer3307]

My feelings have gotten hurt on this board several times when I discuss my favorite player and his abilities. I expect some apologies soon.

So, I'll say it again.. Bijan Cortes will be missed and you will all see it one day.. I will go watch WSU now some and hope he kills it there.

 

[WichitaSooner]

LOL...nobody is "protecting" moser. Nobody is happy with the results

Some of us thinks he gets 1-2 more years. Some of us think 2 years is enough. But nobody is happy.

I've seen many posts by many people saying something along the lines of, "I like Moser personally and think he is a good coach and shouldn't be blamed because he inherited an awful situation." Some have even claimed, ridiculously, that he inherited a worse situation than Lon. People have also said that he can't be blamed because the lack of a quality NIL program and/or the state of the LNC make it almost impossible for him to sign top talent. Others have consistently talked about what a great, efficient offense we run. Still more insist that we were, in fact, a good team that was very close to making the tourney, if not for some bad breaks at the end of close games.

Anyone suggesting that he should get at least four years unless he gets in some sort of off-the-court trouble (and people have certainly said that) are absolutely protecting him.

 

[WichitaSooner]

My feelings have gotten hurt on this board several times when I discuss my favorite player and his abilities. I expect some apologies soon.

So, I'll say it again.. Bijan Cortes will be missed and you will all see it one day.. I will go watch WSU now some and hope he kills it there.

I don't think he will be a star, but agree that he will have much more success playing in a more open, free system.

 

[WTSooner]

My feelings have gotten hurt on this board several times when I discuss my favorite player and his abilities. I expect some apologies soon.

So, I'll say it again.. Bijan Cortes will be missed and you will all see it one day.. I will go watch WSU now some and hope he kills it there.

With what we have now (on paper) at pg, we won't miss him at all.

I hope he does well at WSU, but I don't really think he was somebody that should be in the top 7-8 players at OU.

 

[NorthCarolinaSooner]

With what we have now (on paper) at pg, we won't miss him at all.

I hope he does well at WSU, but I don't really think he was somebody that should be in the top 7-8 players at OU.

Agree with you here. BC is a solid player for a WSU, ORU or maybe Tulsa. He is just a guy off the bench at OU. He will be successful at WSU.

 

[SoonerBounce13]

I've seen many posts by many people saying something along the lines of, "I like Moser personally and think he is a good coach and shouldn't be blamed because he inherited an awful situation." Some have even claimed, ridiculously, that he inherited a worse situation than Lon. People have also said that he can't be blamed because the lack of a quality NIL program and/or the state of the LNC make it almost impossible for him to sign top talent. Others have consistently talked about what a great, efficient offense we run. Still more insist that we were, in fact, a good team that was very close to making the tourney, if not for some bad breaks at the end of close games.

Anyone suggesting that he should get at least four years unless he gets in some sort of off-the-court trouble (and people have certainly said that) are absolutely protecting him.

we've discussed what he inherited numerous times so I won't go into it again....but it was a very bad situation he came into

 

[WichitaSooner]

we've discussed what he inherited numerous times so I won't go into it again....but it was a very bad situation he came into

So to recap -- your last post was that "no one is protecting Moser." I gave about six examples of ways in which posters, including you, have done exactly that. You reply to only one of those points with a vague statement that is based purely on opinion, not fact. So again, I'll say -- yes, you and many others bend over backwards to protect Moser and place blame everywhere but at the feet of the head coach of the basketball team.

As for actual facts regarding what he inherited: a program that had made 8 of the last 9 tourneys, and three players who started on a team that won a tourney game a couple weeks before he was hired. Poor guy. I bet 90 percent of coaches getting their first P5 job would cut off their right arm for that kind of "very bad situation."

 

[NorthCarolinaSooner]

So to recap -- your last post was that "no one is protecting Moser." I gave about six examples of ways in which posters, including you, have done exactly that. You reply to only one of those points with a vague statement that is based purely on opinion, not fact. So again, I'll say -- yes, you and many others bend over backwards to protect Moser and place blame everywhere but at the feet of the head coach of the basketball team.

As for actual facts regarding what he inherited: a program that had made 8 of the last 9 tourneys, and three players who started on a team that won a tourney game a couple weeks before he was hired. Poor guy. I bet 90 percent of coaches getting their first P5 job would cut off their right arm for that kind of "very bad situation."

The year before PMs arrival Hill started 5 games and averaged 4 ppg
Gibson averaged 9 ppg and started 15 games
Harkless started 17 games and averaged 8 ppg

They lost their best 3 players in Harmon, Manek and Reaves...two of those transferred out. Hardly a stacked roster. You are severely glossing over what was left for Moser. Had Manek and Harmon stayed we likely would have made the tournament.

Now the rest of it is on PM. That first year was going to be rough sledding for anyone coming in. This year they underperformed and that rests solely on PM. We don't agree on the depth of how bad the program was because I feel they were more competitive than you do but that is your prerogative. We DO agree that PM needs to step up this year.

His guard recruiting has been pretty solid. The post recruiting has been pretty pedestrian although I have hopes for Hugley.

 

[TINY]

So to recap -- your last post was that "no one is protecting Moser." I gave about six examples of ways in which posters, including you, have done exactly that. You reply to only one of those points with a vague statement that is based purely on opinion, not fact. So again, I'll say -- yes, you and many others bend over backwards to protect Moser and place blame everywhere but at the feet of the head coach of the basketball team.

As for actual facts regarding what he inherited: a program that had made 8 of the last 9 tourneys, and three players who started on a team that won a tourney game a couple weeks before he was hired. Poor guy. I bet 90 percent of coaches getting their first P5 job would cut off their right arm for that kind of "very bad situation."

I’ve laid out the rosters between what Lon inherited and Porter inherited and it isn’t all that close in terms of talent comparison. Capel left more talent in the cupboard than Lon did. Wichita thinks providing facts is “protecting Porter Moser.”

 

[NYC-Fool]

So to recap -- your last post was that "no one is protecting Moser." I gave about six examples of ways in which posters, including you, have done exactly that. You reply to only one of those points with a vague statement that is based purely on opinion, not fact. So again, I'll say -- yes, you and many others bend over backwards to protect Moser and place blame everywhere but at the feet of the head coach of the basketball team.

As for actual facts regarding what he inherited: a program that had made 8 of the last 9 tourneys, and three players who started on a team that won a tourney game a couple weeks before he was hired. Poor guy. I bet 90 percent of coaches getting their first P5 job would cut off their right arm for that kind of "very bad situation."

At it again. Just can’t help yourself.