NBA Free Agency Thread

They have quality young players who haven't reached their ceilings. They have one of the smartest GMs in the league. Their situation isn't as bleak as you're making it out to be.

There is more than one way to build a contender. There are options aside from getting rid of every decent player on your team and not trying to win any games until you land a superstar in the draft.
Their situation isn't bleak by any means but their best players are about what their going to be. A guy like Valanciunas doesn't even see the floor enough because he can't play defense. Not sure about the smartest GM either considering Casey is still coaching that team.
 
Carroll is also more versatile than those other guys, as he can not only guard wings but also play the 4 in small-ball lineups. He's also better moving off the ball, cutting and finding open creases for easy baskets. He doesn't create shots off the dribble, but he does everything else well.

Don't get me wrong, I think Carroll is better than the players mentioned. The problem is, he's getting paid about the same as all the other guys we discussed (the three of them) combined. I agree, though, that the Raptors aren't an attractive destination, so cap space isn't as big of an asset for them as it could potentially be for teams like LAL and NYK.

Your argument is that you can take any athlete in the second round and turn him into a 3-and-D wing

That's an exaggeration. I'm not saying everybody can be a 3-and-D wing; just that it's not THAT hard to find one, and that it's the easiest piece of the puzzle to find.

It's simply not that easy to identify and develop those players. If it were, why would the Spurs pay Danny Green $11 mil per year (a major hometown discount) instead of plugging an athletic rookie into the starting lineup? Why did Houston--with a front office that's been as successful as anyone at identifying second round steals--pay Ariza $8 mil per year when any decent athlete can be a legitimate 3-and-D wing on a good team?

The Spurs are paying Danny Green big money because they already have guys like Parker, Duncan, and Aldridge in place. If they were starting over with just Kawhi, I highly doubt they would have signed Green to a 15M a year deal like Carroll got. They might have paid half, and I'm not even sure they'd be interested. Green and Ariza are similar in that they are the last piece of the puzzle. The Rockets wouldn't have signed Ariza had they not had Harden and Howard already in place. They just needed one more guy, and they epicly butchered the Parsons situation.

Carroll isn't the last piece of the puzzle, but as you've somewhat alluded to, the Raptors aren't playing for a ring. Just being respectable is a worthy accomplishment for that organization.

Trevor Ariza isn't worth paying the big bucks, and most teams have come to that realization. Ariza was a nobody when the Lakers acquired him, and he quickly developed into a complementary role beside guys like Kobe, Gasol, Bynum, and Odom. When FA came around, despite being considered a key part of the Lakers' title run, the Lakers didn't even think about keeping him around. He bounced around to a few other teams, and then made big waves with the Wizards in a playoff run beside guys like Wall and Beal. When FA came around, did the Wizards keep him around? Nope. He signed a big deal with the Rockets, and a year later...guess what? He's back on the trade block! The Ariza deal was a knee-jerk reaction to save face after losing out on Bosh and Parsons.

As bad as the Lakers have been these last two years, we've had a 3-and-D guy. His name is Wesley Johnson, and he signed for the minimum. He's a solid defender, has shot over 35% from 3 the last two years, and if you wanted him to, he has the length to play the small-ball 4 (Byron Scott is too old school to do that, though). Put Johnson on that Laker team we discussed, or in Danny Green's place on the Spurs, and you'll have a guy making the big bucks instead of 1M a year.
 
David West agreed to sign with SA for the vets minimum, which is about 1.5M. He's not the player he once was, but wow. He opted out of a deal that would have paid him 12M, so he's essentially taking a cut of 10.5M in order to have a shot at a ring while coming off the bench.

I'm all about taking a paycut to win a ring, but that's extreme. Wow.

http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/13210946/david-west-sign-san-antonio-spurs

That type of stupidity is a perfect fit in Texas!! lol

I'll make a prediction. Spurs don't even reach Western Conference Finals.
 
David Lee for Gerald Wallace. Not much there for either team. I guess Lee could give the Celts some O. Both on expiring deals.
 
That type of stupidity is a perfect fit in Texas!! lol

I'll make a prediction. Spurs don't even reach Western Conference Finals.

How much you willing to wager on that? Of course, I would want a clause to protect me against major injuries.
 
Clippers sign Wes Johnson. smh

It's possible the Lakers pass the Clippers this season. It's official. Blake Griffin is on the market in 2 years and Steve Ballmer blew $2 billion.

Seriously Shelly Sterling should give the bimbo a $100 million finding fee for releasing the tape the NBA used to force them to sell. :ez-roll:
 
The Spurs are one of the top contenders, and perhaps even #1. The odds of them winning a championship are well below 50%, though, and I'd have to imagine he's coming off the bench, so I can't imagine giving up 10.5M. That's nuts. He's been to conference finals before, so anything short of a championship is a disappointment. He's not a Karl Malone, either, so it's not like he's trying to cement his legacy as one of the all-time greats.
 
The Ariza deal was a knee-jerk reaction to save face after losing out on Bosh and Parsons.
I feel like we're going in circles, so I'm not going to belabor the 3-and-D argument, but on the point of the Ariza signing, that wasn't a face-saving move.

The Rockets' preferred road map last summer was to sign Bosh, then match Parsons' offer sheet (he was a restricted FA), which would have locked the Rockets' roster for the next few years (no cap flexibility, no runs at max free agents). Being locked into a roster with a starting lineup of Howard/Bosh/Parsons/Harden/Beverley is fine, because that's definitely a contending team.

Miami coming over the top and maxing out Bosh blew up that plan; however, due to Parsons' small cap hold, the Rockets could have signed Ariza with cap space and then matched Dallas' offer sheet to Parsons, thus getting both Ariza and Parsons. The Rockets chose not to keep Parsons because they didn't want to face the possibility of him opting into his $16 million option in 2016, which would have destroyed their future cap flexibility. Or they could have just matched Parsons and not signed Ariza. Either way, the Rockets didn't want to lock themselves into a roster in which Parsons was their third-best player.

In other words, if Bosh had signed with Houston, they would have matched Parsons' offer sheet and gone to war with that roster long-term. After losing out on Bosh, the Rockets chose flexibility (with Ariza replacing Parsons at half the cost while providing better defense) over being stuck with Parsons as their third guy.

Parsons didn't turn down the Rockets; the Rockets turned down Parsons. The Rockets saved future cap space, not face.
 
Their situation isn't bleak by any means but their best players are about what their going to be. A guy like Valanciunas doesn't even see the floor enough because he can't play defense. Not sure about the smartest GM either considering Casey is still coaching that team.
Granted that it's a matter of perspective, but this Raptors roster doesn't excite me either.

I'm sure Masai doesn't see this roster as being on the cusp of contending, but rather than blowing it all up (and destroying all of the good will that exists with their fan base, etc.), he's taking a route similar to what Morey did in Houston. Morey didn't want to bottom out initially, so he tried to collect assets while keeping the team competitive and cap flexible, then cashing in his quarters for a dollar when the opportunity arose...or, if that didn't happen, he could then tear it down with ease and tank (the Rockets were on the cusp of that immediately prior to the Harden trade).

As for Casey, I don't think he's an elite coach or anything, but he inherited a terrible team. Also keep in mind that the Raptors were far more successful than anticipated in 2013-14. Remember that they were looking to trade Lowry, but kept winning games and realized it would kill their fans to dump the best player on a feel-good team. Casey deserves some credit for that. No one looks at last year's roster either and thinks, "That team should have won more than 49 games."
 
Ariza is the better player and the Rockets are paying him less than half what the desperate Mavericks are paying Parsons.
 
How much you willing to wager on that? Of course, I would want a clause to protect me against major injuries.

No protection for injury. Of course one of the Spurs main problems will be age and injury. Then they will be left with fringe all stars and no superstars and get run out of the gym by Golden State, OKC, Houston and New Orleans.

Spurs are my 5th team in the West ... unless Memphis grinds by them too.
 
PG: Tony Parker
Averaged 14.5 points, 5 assists, and 2 rebounds per game last year.

SG: Danny Green
Averaged 11.7 points, 4.2 rebounds per game last year.

SF: Kawhi Leonard
Averaged 16.5 points, 7.2 rebounds, and 2.5 assists per game last year.
*2014 NBA Finals MVP*
*2015 NBA Defensive Player of the Year*

PF: Lamarcus Aldridge
Averaged 23.4 points and 10.2 rebounds per game last year.
*2014-2015 ALL STAR SELECTION*

C: Tim Duncan
Averaged 14 points, 9 rebounds per game last year
*2014-2015 ALL STAR SELECTION*
 
PG: Tony Parker
Averaged 14.5 points, 5 assists, and 2 rebounds per game last year.

SG: Danny Green
Averaged 11.7 points, 4.2 rebounds per game last year.

SF: Kawhi Leonard
Averaged 16.5 points, 7.2 rebounds, and 2.5 assists per game last year.
*2014 NBA Finals MVP*
*2015 NBA Defensive Player of the Year*

PF: Lamarcus Aldridge
Averaged 23.4 points and 10.2 rebounds per game last year.
*2014-2015 ALL STAR SELECTION*

C: Tim Duncan
Averaged 14 points, 9 rebounds per game last year
*2014-2015 ALL STAR SELECTION*

What's the bench look like?

If they can stay healthy, I wouldn't bet against them.
 
I feel like we're going in circles, so I'm not going to belabor the 3-and-D argument, but on the point of the Ariza signing, that wasn't a face-saving move.

The Rockets' preferred road map last summer was to sign Bosh, then match Parsons' offer sheet (he was a restricted FA), which would have locked the Rockets' roster for the next few years (no cap flexibility, no runs at max free agents). Being locked into a roster with a starting lineup of Howard/Bosh/Parsons/Harden/Beverley is fine, because that's definitely a contending team.

Miami coming over the top and maxing out Bosh blew up that plan; however, due to Parsons' small cap hold, the Rockets could have signed Ariza with cap space and then matched Dallas' offer sheet to Parsons, thus getting both Ariza and Parsons. The Rockets chose not to keep Parsons because they didn't want to face the possibility of him opting into his $16 million option in 2016, which would have destroyed their future cap flexibility. Or they could have just matched Parsons and not signed Ariza. Either way, the Rockets didn't want to lock themselves into a roster in which Parsons was their third-best player.

In other words, if Bosh had signed with Houston, they would have matched Parsons' offer sheet and gone to war with that roster long-term. After losing out on Bosh, the Rockets chose flexibility (with Ariza replacing Parsons at half the cost while providing better defense) over being stuck with Parsons as their third guy.

Parsons didn't turn down the Rockets; the Rockets turned down Parsons. The Rockets saved future cap space, not face.

I'm fully aware of what went down in Houston last summer. They gambled, and they lost. I don't fault them for trying, but they'd have been better off by not declining Parson's option for less than 1M.

None of this changes the fact that the Magic gave Ariza up for next to nothing, the Lakers let him walk, the Rockets traded him, the Hornets traded him, the Wizards let him walk, and now there are rumors of Ariza being on the block again with Houston.
 
I don't fault them for trying, but they'd have been better off by not declining Parson's option for less than 1M.
Declining Parsons' option was a condition of the Dwight Howard signing. Fegan used Howard to ensure Parsons could get to his second contract a year early.

now there are rumors of Ariza being on the block again with Houston.
I'm not a big Ariza fan, but every Rocket is always on the block. That's the Morey way. Upon the news of Ariza signing with Houston last summer, my brother and I texted each other at the same moment about how funny it was going to be when Morey turns around and trades him again...because that's what Morey does. He manages assets, not human beings.
 
It looks like the Thunder will be paying Enes Kanter 70M over the next 4 years.

BWHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

:ez-roll:

It's a good thing they let Harden go so that they can afford this!
 
Meanwhile, Duncan is signing a 2-year, 10M deal with the Spurs.
 
It looks like the Thunder will be paying Enes Kanter 70M over the next 4 years.

BWHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

:ez-roll:

It's a good thing they let Harden go so that they can afford this!

pretty relatively cheap.

And yes, a lineup of
RW
Morrow
KD
Serge
Kanter

is a hell of a lot better than

RW
Harden
KD
???
???
 
Meanwhile, Duncan is signing a 2-year, 10M deal with the Spurs.

Duncan is an outlier. not comparable.

Go look at all the new deals in the last week and 4/70 is very reasonable for a 23 year old center with kanter's skills.

He will dominate with the thunder
 
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