NBA Free Agency Thread

[Eielson]

pretty relatively cheap.

Seriously dude? Saying he's worth it is silly in and of itself, but calling that cheap? Get out of here!

And yes, a lineup of
RW
Morrow
KD
Serge
Kanter

is a hell of a lot better than

RW
Harden
KD
???
???

I'd take RW, Harden, KD, ???, and ??? over any other roster in the NBA right now. Morrow is a good shooter off the bench, but he shouldn't even be starting for most lottery teams.

The Thunder will be paying luxury tax with Kanter. If they were willing to do that, they should have just paid the tax with RW, KD, Harden, and Ibaka.

 

[SoonerBounce13]

Seriously dude? Saying he's worth it is silly in and of itself, but calling that cheap? Get out of here!

have you seen the contracts getting signed? 17 million is cheap with the new cba.

The dude averaged 18/11 last year with the thunder. He is a beast offensively. Terrible defensively but will get better.

Deandre jordan got 20 a year.
i'm sure there is a site out there that lists all the new contracts. Scroll through it and 4/70 will look very reasonable

I'd take RW, Harden, KD, ???, and ??? over any other roster in the NBA right now.

I sure as hell wouldn't. But again, you are a known thunder hater. i'm a known thunder lover.

Morrow is a good shooter off the bench, but he shouldn't even be starting for most lottery teams.

lol dude you are clueless when it comes to the thunder personnel

The Thunder will be paying luxury tax with Kanter. If they were willing to do that, they should have just paid the tax with RW, KD, Harden, and Ibaka.

sigh
This is all the talk right now for people that actually don't understand the nba or nba contracts or nba economics

business aside, harden wasn't going to sign with the thunder period. even for the max. he wants to be the guy. he is now. Thunder were proven to be better without him.

 

[Eielson]

have you seen the contracts getting signed? 17 million is cheap with the new cba.

Aldridge, Gasol, and Jordan are all getting around 20. 17 is just about the same price, but the product isn't anywhere near as good.

He is a beast offensively.

That's a bit of a stretch.

Terrible defensively but will get better.

I heard the other day he was statistically the worst defensive center in the league last year. Maybe he'll have a good year and jump up to 2nd worst.

lol dude you are clueless when it comes to the thunder personnel

False. You just have a tendency to obnoxiously overvalue your roll players.

This is all the talk right now for people that actually don't understand the nba or nba contracts or nba economics

:ez-laugh:

 

[bocabull]

The track record of max offer streets to restricted free agents is poor. Typically when the home team doesn't offer a max contract and lets the market set the price, then the player signs a max offer sheet with another team, it's a booby prize.

Recently the ones that come to mind are Eric Gordon, Roy Hibbert, Chandler Parsons, Gordon Hayward and now Enes Kanter. All have major flaws and are mid tier role players.

 

[SoonerBounce13]

Aldridge, Gasol, and Jordan are all getting around 20. 17 is just about the same price, but the product isn't anywhere near as good.

So if 17 is just about the same as 20 then 14 is just about 17 adn 14 is what has been thrown around for an accurate value of kanter.

You can't put a value on a team's missing link. And an offensively gifted center is the thunder's biggest need. If they didn't resign him, they would have issues on the front court like they always have. Not threat to score downlow which allows opponents to key in on kd and westbrook.

People were *****ing when presti wouldn't go over the cap. now he is and people are still *****ing.

Kanter is going to dominate and people will look pretty stupid for complaining about locking up a young big man for four years. OKC hasn't had anything close to him since they have been in OKC

I heard the other day he was statistically the worst defensive center in the league last year. Maybe he'll have a good year and jump up to 2nd worst.

go look at whom he was playing with. collison was out. ibaka was out, perkins was gone, robison was gone, kd was gone.

He was playing along side mcgary and perry jones b/c of injuries. on a new team.

He will look vastly improved this year. mostly b/c of familiarity and serge ibaka.


He is a beast offensively. if you watched any games last year you would see that. he was scoring at will in the block. It will get easier next year with a healthy durant and westbrook.

 

[SoonerBounce13]

The track record of max offer streets to restricted free agents is poor. Typically when the home team doesn't offer a max contract and lets the market set the price, then the player signs a max offer sheet with another team, it's a booby prize.

Recently the ones that come to mind are Eric Gordon, Roy Hibbert, Chandler Parsons, Gordon Hayward and now Enes Kanter. All have major flaws and are mid tier role players.

i'll take a young center who puts up 18 and 11 as a role player any day of the week.

People are really selling him short b/c of his time in utah.

He didn't like utah and utah sucked.

He likes OKC and will be on a contender. He will excel. just wait

 

[Eielson]

People were *****ing when presti wouldn't go over the cap. now he is and people are still *****ing.

Everybody criticized Presti/OKC for not going over the cap to keep Harden, but many had come to accept the fact that OKC was a small-market team that simply couldn't afford to pay the luxury tax. If they pay the luxury tax to keep a guy like Kanter, then it wasn't that they couldn't pay it, but rather that they chose not to. This rips open a scab.

The Thunder haven't matched the Blazers' deal yet, so we'll see if they do. I suspect they're looking into other options. They're a better team if they resign him, but this isn't a bargain, and it seems like a silly reason to dip into the luxury tax if money is so precious to the organization.

 

[SoonerBounce13]

Everybody criticized Presti/OKC for not going over the cap to keep Harden, but many had come to accept the fact that OKC was a small-market team that simply couldn't afford to pay the luxury tax. If they pay the luxury tax to keep a guy like Kanter, then it wasn't that they couldn't pay it, but rather that they chose not to. This rips open a scab.

This is correct. THey chose not to do it with Harden b/c he wasn't worth it to the thunder. And i believe they knew that harden wasn't going to accept being behind westbrook and kd. can't blame him for that.

The Thunder haven't matched the Blazers' deal yet, so we'll see if they do. I suspect they're looking into other options. They're a better team if they resign him, but this isn't a bargain, and it seems like a silly reason to dip into the luxury tax if money is so precious to the organization.

It will be a bargain two years from now with players of kanter's ability are making over 20 mil easily.

It's not that money is so precious. I mean they are going over the tax when oil prices are high. they are just good businessmen and know that harden is/was replaceable

 

[SoopaSooner]

I thought Thunder should have kept Harden but these are different circumstances. Durant and Westbrook had more years left on their contract. Thunder had time to keep them happy. Not so much anymore and they have to match the contract.

 

[bocabull]

Kanter did his offensive damage when Ibaka and Durant were out. With them back they don't need his inefficient offense and terrible defense. I guess this means Presti struck out again in drafting Adams? His attraction to white stiffs is becoming notorious.

 

[thebigabd]

Kanter did his offensive damage when Ibaka and Durant were out. With them back they don't need his inefficient offense and terrible defense. I guess this means Presti struck out again in drafting Adams? His attraction to white stiffs is becoming notorious.

Didn't he take Steven Adams and that big white dufus Cole Aldridch in the lottery?

 

[bocabull]

Didn't he take Steven Adams and that big white dufus Cole Aldridch in the lottery?

Yes. And Byron Mullins at #24.

 

[SoonerBounce13]

Kanter did his offensive damage when Ibaka and Durant were out.

Or you could look at it the other way. WIth more weapons on the floor, he will have a lot more effective

With them back they don't need his inefficient offense and terrible defense.

What inefficient offense? didn't know shooting close to 60% from the field was inefficient. Yes his defense was terrible. Serge will help with that

I guess this means Presti struck out again in drafting Adams? His attraction to white stiffs is becoming notorious.

not at all. Adams is a very good player. i actually expect adams to start. Beside aldrich, what ever stiff has he drafted?

 

[SoonerBounce13]

Yes. And Byron Mullins at #24.

I seem to remember after the thunder got rid of him you praising him and his talent:ez-laugh:

funny, yet not surprising, how your mood changes when you try to make a point.

Apologies if it wasn't you. it was either you or abd

EDIT: it was abd lol http://ouhoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=26867&highlight=mullens

 

[Eielson]

Or you could look at it the other way. WIth more weapons on the floor, he will have a lot more effective

Perhaps more efficient, but not more effective. There's only one ball, and it's ideally not in Kanter's hands when RW and KD are on the court.

not at all. Adams is a very good player. i actually expect adams to start. Beside aldrich, what ever stiff has he drafted?

I agree, and expect Adams to start as well. Kanter is a quality big to bring off the bench, but 17M is a lot to pay for somebody coming off the bench even when the cap jumps to over 80M.

Again, not saying they're wrong to do it, but this isn't a bargain, and if they're willing to pay the luxury tax, they should have done it with Harden.

 

[bocabull]

I always compared Durant to Dirk and Presti is very similar to Cuban too. The Mavs were on the brink and Cuban outsmarted himself and got rid of Nash which made Don Nelson furious. No different than Presti getting rid of Harden. Horrible mistake. Set them back 5 years minimum.

Like Dirk if Durant stays he's so good that despite mistake after mistake he will get a title. But will accomplish much less if Cuban/Presti would have stayed the course instead of flaking out.

The Lakers will rise rapidly because Kupchak/Buss know how to not only evaluate talent but assemble a roster. Presto & Cuban lucked into Dirk and Durant and have bumbled their way along.

 

[Eielson]

I always compared Durant to Dirk and Presti is very similar to Cuban too. The Mavs were on the brink and Cuban outsmarted himself and got rid of Nash which made Don Nelson furious. No different than Presti getting rid of Harden. Horrible mistake. Set them back 5 years minimum.

Like Dirk if Durant stays he's so good that despite mistake after mistake he will get a title. But will accomplish much less if Cuban/Presti would have stayed the course instead of flaking out.

The Lakers will rise rapidly because Kupchak/Buss know how to not only evaluate talent but assemble a roster. Presto & Cuban lucked into Dirk and Durant and have bumbled their way along.

Presti is one of the better GMs, and he's done more than just luck into KD. He followed that up by drafting Westbrook and Serge, and then Harden. He's gone a little dry lately, but it's a crapshoot once you start drafting later in the first round. Adams wasn't worth Harden, but he's not a bad pick at 12, and could develop into a nasty defensive frontcourt alongside Ibaka.

I'm one of Presti's bigger critics when it comes to the Harden trade, but Kupchak butchered the Shaq trade just as badly, if not worse. Not getting Wade in that deal was a huge mistake. I'm also not sure why Jim Buss has your vote of confidence. He'll likely be gone soon, as he's not his dad.

 

[bocabull]

Kanter match or not? Isn't the clock ticking.

 

[SoopaSooner]

They're matching

 

[SoonerBounce13]

There's only one ball, and it's ideally not in Kanter's hands when RW and KD are on the court.

Which is why the thunder wouldn't pay harden the max.