OU vs kansas 8pm CST return of the Daug

[thebigabd]

1. There is 1 guy on the team that has played up to expectations, Doolittle. Literally every other player that plays has under-performed.

Disagree on this... Manek has absolutely played to expectations. Manek is really damn good. He gives you 16 and 6 pretty much every night. He sucks at rebounding, but he is a very talented player and makes a lot of things happen for others because he is such a good 3pt shooter.

 

[sheepdogs1]

Or for what happened the last two years we played them at home. But no surprise many of our fans choose the most pessimistic view possible.

Most people overreact and the overreaction comes in two forms, excessive optimism or excessive pessimism. Rarely does the reaction fall in the middle, for as I have stated before, "people do not like sitting on the fence." It's nature's way.

 

[steverocks35]

Disagree on this... Manek has absolutely played to expectations. Manek is really damn good. He gives you 16 and 6 pretty much every night. He sucks at rebounding, but he is a very talented player and makes a lot of things happen for others because he is such a good 3pt shooter.

Okay, I'll concede the point, 2 guys then that have played up to expectations. Although, if I see him walking back on D or not going for rebounds again I might retract this...

 

[CoachTalk]

I used to expect us to win every home game. Recent years I've felt like we had a good shot to beat KU at home.
Tonight? I feel like we have no shot at all to win this game. That's where the program is currently.

I know many think, so Ill just say it.

I may get banned but youre an idiot.

 

[daqman]

We're 11-4 against (according to Kenpom) the 27th most difficult schedule in the country, but to read the comments from some in this thread (and dozens of others), you'd think we were 4-10 against the 327th toughest schedule in the country.

I'd think we just got dominated by a bottom half of the league team and now we're playing a top 10 team in the country.

 

[CoachTalk]

I'd think we just got dominated by a bottom half of the league team and now we're playing a top 10 team in the country.

Duke and Kentucky got beat by sucking teams.

Ill check ESPN to see if their programs have been disbanded yet.

 

[OUFireman]

Ok, I will concede the problems you all have stated. My issue is you only state the problems. You only talk about the bad games. You never praise a hard fought win on the road against a rival. Or a road win against a team that just beat Michigan and destroyed OSU at home. You not only don’t give them credit for those you nitpick individual plays within those games to try and prove your point.

 

[steverocks35]

Ok, I will concede the problems you all have stated. My issue is you only state the problems. You only talk about the bad games. You never praise a hard fought win on the road against a rival. Or a road win against a team that just beat Michigan and destroyed OSU at home. You not only don’t give them credit for those you nitpick individual plays within those games to try and prove your point.

I can't speak for everyone else, but I praised OU for their win at Texas, during and after the game.

 

[steverocks35]

Duke and Kentucky got beat by sucking teams.

Ill check ESPN to see if their programs have been disbanded yet.

Iowa State also got beat at home by Florida A&M for their first ever win against a Power 5 school, so there's that.

 

[skyvue]

A 1 point win over UCF, which might be the worst team in the American... a 2 point win over North Texas... A 5 point win over William & Mary.. Etc.

A 9-point win over Minnesota (36 in Kenpom) on a not-very-neutral court, an 11-point win over Missouri (54 in Kenpom) on a not-very-neutral court, an 8-point win over Oregon State (58 in Kenpom) on a not-very-neutral court -- see how that works? The doom-and-gloom crowd actually holds victories that don't live up to their standards against the team while ignoring the wins over solid teams.

And the teams you guys cite as being such terrible victories are better than you ever give them credit for: North Texas is ranked 105 in Kenpom (just nine spots behind KSU), UCF is 118 (and that's after struggling of late -- they were 9-2 when we played them), W&M 140 (they're currently 13-5).

Ask Duke how tough it can be on a given night to beat a team in that range of the rankings (at 122, Stephen F Austin is ranked lower than UNT and UCF); ask Kelvin Sampson (at 114, Tulsa is ranked lower than UNT and just ahead of UCF).

You buys blithely cite these "bad" wins as if we were struggling with the likes of Maryland Eastern Shore, with teams at the bottom of the rankings. We're not. We've got the 27th toughest schedule in the country so we haven't even PLAYED many truly lousy teams.

As for Manek, he ranks second on the team and tied for 11th in the conference in rebounds. That's not lousy.

 

[Maverick008]

Iowa State also got beat at home by Florida A&M for their first ever win against a Power 5 school, so there's that.

Not that it makes that loss look any better but people overlook the fact that Haliburton didn’t play in that game. They lose 17+ pts a game etc etc. Again, I’m not condoning the loss but not having a guy like that makes them an entirely different team.

 

[skyvue]

I can't speak for everyone else, but I praised OU for their win at Texas, during and after the game.

At the end of the win over KSU, when most fans were ready to celebrate a hard-fought win, you said the team was awful. So congrats on praising the team during the texas game. That's once.

 

[steverocks35]

A 9-point win over Minnesota (36 in Kenpom) on a not-very-neutral court, an 11-point win over Missouri (54 in Kenpom) on a not-very-neutral court, an 8-point win over Oregon State (58 in Kenpom) on a not-very-neutral court -- see how that works? The doom-and-gloom crowd actually holds victories that don't live up to their standards against the team while ignoring the wins over solid teams.

And the teams you guys cite as being such terrible victories are better than you ever give them credit for: North Texas is ranked 105 in Kenpom (just nine spots behind KSU), UCF is 118 (and that's after struggling of late -- they were 9-2 when we played them), W&M 140 (they're currently 13-5).

Ask Duke how tough it can be on a given night to beat a team in that range of the rankings (at 122, Stephen F Austin is ranked lower than UNT and UCF); ask Kelvin Sampson (at 114, Tulsa is ranked lower than UNT and just ahead of UCF).

You buys blithely cite these "bad" wins as if we were struggling with the likes of Maryland Eastern Shore, with teams at the bottom of the rankings. We're not. We've got the 27th toughest schedule in the country so we haven't even PLAYED many truly lousy teams.

As for Manek, he ranks second on the team and tied for 11th in the conference in rebounds. That's not lousy.

It's just funny to me that you keep citing teams ranked in the 100s as decent teams. Sure these teams can catch lightning in a bottle and beat a good/great team, but let's not pretend that these are good teams.

 

[steverocks35]

At the end of the win over KSU, when most fans were ready to celebrate a hard-fought win, you said the team was awful. So congrats on praising the team during the texas game. That's once.

I call them like I see them, Texas is awful too.

 

[BoulderSooner]

I call them like I see them, Texas is awful too.

this shtick is getting old

 

[ksSooner13]

Okay, I'll concede the point, 2 guys then that have played up to expectations. Although, if I see him walking back on D or not going for rebounds again I might retract this...

3 guys. We literally had 0 real expectations on Reaves and he's been key in most of our games.

 

[steverocks35]

Not that it makes that loss look any better but people overlook the fact that Haliburton didn’t play in that game. They lose 17+ pts a game etc etc. Again, I’m not condoning the loss but not having a guy like that makes them an entirely different team.

That’s a fair point

 

[steverocks35]

3 guys. We literally had 0 real expectations on Reaves and he's been key in most of our games.

Really? We had zero expectations for Reaves? I mean it’s pretty subjective but I can probably go find some preseason posts hyping him, but I will also concede the point. 3 guys then.

 

[daqman]

3 guys. We literally had 0 real expectations on Reaves and he's been key in most of our games.

Pretty sure there were some who saw Reaves in practice claiming he was/would be our best player.

 

[skyvue]

It's just funny to me that you keep citing teams ranked in the 100s as decent teams. Sure these teams can catch lightning in a bottle and beat a good/great team, but let's not pretend that these are good teams.

While we're not pretending, let's not pretend that we lost to these teams, as Duke and Houston both did to similar teams. We beat them. How long are you (and the other glass-half-full types) going to ***** and moan about wins? Unlike Duke and Houston (and plenty of other good teams) we haven't let some second tier team catch lightning in a bottle against us.

Your worldview is strange -- you seem to see no grays. It's all black and white. You've yet to define your dividing line, but whatever it is, every team above it is good and every team below it is awful. That's a questionable outlook (to put it mildly).

If you think there's no difference between the 105 team in the country and a team in the 200s or 300s, if you think there's no difference between playing the 27th toughest schedule in the country and the 250th or the 350th toughest, I don't know what to tell you.