OU vs kansas 8pm CST return of the Daug

[inoref]

All depends on if Kansas brings their "A" game they will win regardless how well OU plays.
OU has to play really good and Kansas not..even then it may be a struggle. Kansas on paper and on the floor is just the better team. I hope OU plays great and Kansas not so much.

 

[steverocks35]

While we're not pretending, let's not pretend that we lost to these teams, as Duke and Houston both did to similar teams. We beat them. How long are you (and the other glass-half-full types) going to ***** and moan about wins? Unlike Duke and Houston (and plenty of other good teams) we haven't let some second tier team catch lightning in a bottle against us.

Your worldview is strange -- you seem to see no grays. It's all black and white. You've yet to define your dividing line, but whatever it is, every team above it is good and every team below it is awful. That's a questionable outlook (to put it mildly).

If you think there's no difference between the 105 team in the country and a team in the 200s or 300s, if you think there's no difference between playing the 27th toughest schedule in the country and the 250th or the 350th toughest, I don't know what to tell you.

Actually, if my worldview was black and white with no grey areas I’d be saying “we won those games, what’s the problem?” I’m not saying that, I’m saying that even though we managed to win those games, we didn’t play well, our flaws were exposed and my alarm bells were ringing, and I’m not the only one. Go read the game thread for the north Texas game if you don’t believe me. I agree with ABD upthread, that we are a few ball bounces from a disastrous season already. It’s true that we’ve played well in a few games, and I said so at the time. Notably the Oregon state and Texas games. But I’m not happy with the product on the floor regardless of what our record is at the moment. That’s all I’m saying. I’m sorry if some think I’m being overly critical of the team. The fact is, I love OU basketball and I have to be honest about what I see as the state of the program. Maybe we turn it around tonight, I hope we do! But I’m not counting on it based on what I’ve seen so far. That’s my honest assessment. Again, sorry if I appear overly critical.

 

[sheepdogs1]

While we're not pretending, let's not pretend that we lost to these teams, as Duke and Houston both did to similar teams. We beat them. How long are you (and the other glass-half-full types) going to ***** and moan about wins? Unlike Duke and Houston (and plenty of other good teams) we haven't let some second tier team catch lightning in a bottle against us.

Your worldview is strange -- you seem to see no grays. It's all black and white. You've yet to define your dividing line, but whatever it is, every team above it is good and every team below it is awful. That's a questionable outlook (to put it mildly).

If you think there's no difference between the 105 team in the country and a team in the 200s or 300s, if you think there's no difference between playing the 27th toughest schedule in the country and the 250th or the 350th toughest, I don't know what to tell you.

If you want to defend the team that is one thing but using Duke to illustrate your point is what it is. Chances are individuals are fallible thus teams as well must also follow suit, too. Duke tripped over itself in one game which bears no resemblance to the team in which you defend. I think for those you want to chastise all have something in common, which is they want more consistency. Perhaps their expectations are too lofty, but you should also agree that deep down they want whats best for the team. They might not articulate their points as well as you do, but that's how I see it.

 

[mict085]

The Iowa state game was a big step back and I think that’s why there’s so much pessimism about tonight’s game. Also, KU coming off a loss will probably be breathing fire and not be complacent. I think ku wins but I’m hoping our shots are falling and we play much better. This team has the ability to get hot and beat ku.

 

[WichitaSooner]

While we're not pretending, let's not pretend that we lost to these teams, as Duke and Houston both did to similar teams. We beat them. How long are you (and the other glass-half-full types) going to ***** and moan about wins? Unlike Duke and Houston (and plenty of other good teams) we haven't let some second tier team catch lightning in a bottle against us.

Your worldview is strange -- you seem to see no grays. It's all black and white. You've yet to define your dividing line, but whatever it is, every team above it is good and every team below it is awful. That's a questionable outlook (to put it mildly).

If you think there's no difference between the 105 team in the country and a team in the 200s or 300s, if you think there's no difference between playing the 27th toughest schedule in the country and the 250th or the 350th toughest, I don't know what to tell you.

Exactly. Also funny how every team we play is somehow "the worst team in the country." I think we have heard that about KSU, UT, UCF, and ISU, not to mention some of the other noncon opponents. In this very thread, our win over KU last year was largely dismissed because KU "had serious issues" at the time.

People truly don't understand the difference between great, good, average, bad, and awful opponents. And they don't seem to understand that a team's quality is based on an entire season, not the one game they happen to watch an opponent. I laughed at all the people who posted after the game that MES didn't look that bad -- they made a few threes and kept things close for one half of one game, and people took that to mean that the analytics were wrong. Usually, our negative posters go the other direction -- they are convinced that any team the Sooners manage to beat must be horrible, terrible, awful, a disgrace to the sport, etc.

Finally, one more thing that amuses me. Some of our most vocal critics argue that our team is bad at virtually everything -- defense, rebounding, effort, offensive structure, mental toughness, etc. So, if a team is bad at truly everything, how do you account for the 11 wins? Oh, that's right -- it must be all those awful teams we play. We are only winning by default, because, lucky for us, some of our opponents are even more incompetent than we are!!

 

[steverocks35]

What are some of the strengths of the team? Not trolling, I'm genuinely curious about what people think on this topic.

 

[tmeyer3307]

Is Dotson healthy or even playing? If he's out I think we win!

 

[CoachTalk]

Is Dotson healthy or even playing? If he's out I think we win!

we are winning either way. :chestram2:

 

[Hollisp]

This team has nothing for Kansas. I will eat a huge plate of crow if I'm wrong, and I hope I am, but I don't see it. We have too many flaws, and we don't play hard when we get behind. Happy to be proven wrong tonight...

The ole I can’t be wrong hedge. What a tired game. You and Traber would get along great.

 

[BCSooners]

What are some of the strengths of the team? Not trolling, I'm genuinely curious about what people think on this topic.

Athleticism, ball handling, defensive rebounding, 2pt defense, defending without fouling.

 

[BCSooners]

Is Dotson healthy or even playing? If he's out I think we win!

He's playing

 

[steverocks35]

The ole I can’t be wrong hedge. What a tired game. You and Traber would get along great.

I literally said in my post that I can be wrong. *

 

[steverocks35]

Athleticism, ball handling, defensive rebounding, 2pt defense, defending without fouling.

All good points and I would add that we don’t turn the ball over

 

[Hollisp]

this shtick is getting old

Yup. Almost like he/she perhaps is a fan of another program either publicly or possibly secretly. It’s on that level of trollish behavior.

I don’t know is there a block feature on this?

 

[BCSooners]

All good points and I would add that we don’t turn the ball over

Yes that's where I was going with on ball handling because I think that's the main reason why. They are solid decision makers but only an average passing team imo.

 

[Hollisp]

I found it there’s an ignore list. Perfect.

 

[thebigabd]

What are some of the strengths of the team? Not trolling, I'm genuinely curious about what people think on this topic.

1.) Versatility in the post on offense.. OU legitimately has two of the most skilled post players around. Manek is at 42% on 3's and every time Doolittle shoots a midrange jumper it seems to go in. Both can put it on the floor too.

2.) Something like 5th in the country in committing turnovers... so they protect the ball.

3.) They have several good components... they are just missing a few components that would connect the dots. Many times a player here and there can be the difference, which they don't really have, but there are several good components there.

Those are my top 3.

 

[OUFireman]

FT shooting, it’s not nothing.

 

[steverocks35]

https://www.rockchalktalk.com/2020/1/14/21065358/kansas-jayhawks-basketball-at-oklahoma-sooners-preview

Here's a preview of the game from the Jayhawk perspective. They aren't sure if Dotson will play or not.

 

[steverocks35]

1.) Versatility in the post on offense.. OU legitimately has two of the most skilled post players around. Manek is at 42% on 3's and every time Doolittle shoots a midrange jumper it seems to go in. Both can put it on the floor too.

2.) Something like 5th in the country in committing turnovers... so they protect the ball.

3.) They have several good components... they are just missing a few components that would connect the dots. Many times a player here and there can be the difference, which they don't really have, but there are several good components there.

Those are my top 3.

I agree for the most part, although I'm not sure if you can really call Manek and Doo post players. Manek has recently started posting up smaller players, which is good, he killed Texas that way, but I don't think it's his comfort zone and Doolittle is really a guy with a mid-range game that has to guard the post by default.