LOL, yeah I'm naive, but you're the one saying he is "impressive but not outstanding".
No, the only thing that is funny is the fact that you can't differentiate what I am saying. I said his statistic of being 1 of the only few players to average over 14 and 9 was "an impressive stat". That does not mean he was an outstanding player. Big difference. Besides, you're treating impressive and outstanding like they are synonyms, when they are different entities. If you can't differentiate those two, or what I said for that matter instead of putting words into my mouth, then you seriously are wasting my time.
Again, I ask you the question? It's not outstanding to be one of 12 players averaging 14 points and 9 rebounds a game? You are focused too much on the fact that the numbers don't seem that outstanding when they really are based on what everyone is doing. I would agree that in the NBA that wouldn't be outstanding but in the college game it is. Most everyone would agree that Cole Aldrich was outstanding last year and he averaged 14 and 11.
Cole Aldrich isn't germane to your argument. He was outstanding because along with averaging 14 and 11 he was a great defensive player, something BG was not his freshman year. BG for his position didn't even average over a block per game. Aldrich was amazing blocking and altering shots, as he averaged 2.7. And Aldrich was a fantastic on-ball defender, something, again, BG was not.
And the NBA has nothing to do with my reasoning. If you aren't a great defender, then putting up 14 and 9 does not make you an outstanding player.
And I find it funny that you can only find a few examples of players who have exceeded that production. THAT IS THE WHOLE POINT! Yes, Harongody and Beasley produced at a higher level and that's why they were All Americans. My point is that AA's aren't the only ones who have outstanding seasons. To make 1st team All Conference in a major conference means you had an outstanding season. To make AA is really an incredibly special achievement. You pointing out that BG wasn't an AA doesn't mean he didn't have an outstanding season, only that there is another level beyond (again only occupied by 6 or 7 people!).
So basically according to you, there are certain levels of outstanding. What level does BG fall on, since the other outstanding players I named, Griffin's stats weren't near as close from a scoring perspective? I didn't know there was a chart for outstanding players. I didn't know being an outstanding basketball player and excelling on the court was that complicated. Last time I checked 14 ppg isn't an incredible number. You're outstanding levels theory, while perplexing, is interesting.
And I stated before, which was the point of disagreement, was that I don't consider a player automatically outstanding if he was named All Conference. That is where our points differ. To be outstanding, you need to be above the rest. Griffin was very good, was all conference, but that does not make him an outstanding player IMO. Putting up all american type numbers or being a great impact on defense while putting up very good numbers (Aldrich, Hasheem Thabeet, for example) is an outstanding player. Not 14 and 9 without the great defense.
And I find it funny that you believe your point was validated, despite the fact that I gave you Wayne Simien who played less, wasn't an All American in '03 but put up the same numbers. Richard Hendrix put up 17 and 10 while playing the same amount of minutes. He wasn't an All American either. And you never mentioned my question about Damion James, either. I'll give you credit, you're good at dodging questions relative to the argument. As far as answering your accusation that I could only find a few examples, I apologize that I don't feel like spending time until 4 A.M. trying to research EACH AND EVERY example included in my argument. But I feel those 4 aforementioned names prove enough for my case, which they do.
Again, you may not call that outstanding but almost everyone else would. We can quibble over words all you want but the evidence is on my side and so would be the majority of opinion.
That's funny, I didn't know when posters sided with me on this thread that that constitues "the majority of opinion" that took your side. Interesting.
And its impossible for evidence to be on your side, when I've given ample amounts of evidence that validates my point. But think what you want, even though your belief is sorely misplaced.
Basically what this boils down to is that if you consider an All Conference player a guaranteed outstanding player. I don't. Outstanding is a special and delicate word to use, and there usually aren't many of them each year in college basketball. You're one of the only few people that has disagreed with me on that, as the rest of the posters have either sided with me or didn't disagree. I think that proves enough for my case that my view is legitimate. But again, think what you want. I won't waste any more time trying to help you out otherwise.
