gracefor24
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First off, I'm not lost that he averaged both 14 points and 9 rebounds a game. I've stated that, what, 100 times on this thread? That is an impressive stat that not too many have done simultaneously, there's no denying it... But what you fail to understand (and this is critical) is that just because he is great at rebounding, does not make him an OUTSTANDING player. Very good player, yes... But if he was so outstanding, why wasn't he among the Top 100 scorers? And don't give me your reaching excuse about other players in the same competition... If he was outstanding like you claim, he would be up there regardless of who the other players played against. Plenty of guys on that list played against tough competition and were proven to be better scorers. Griffin just wasn't one of them.
And your minutes case is irrelevant... Players like Luke Harangody and Damion James, among others, have posted the same stats and have played just as many if not more minutes. Wayne Simien played only 24 minutes for the '03 KU squad and basically had the exact same stats. So you're minutes theory is paltry at best.
There's no stubborness going on... I admit when I am wrong. I think you need to do yourself a favor and stop being in denial. Averaging 14 and 9 is an impressive stat and proves he is very good, but that's not outstanding, as I've proven earlier. Its not my problem you don't grasp the difference between a very good player and an outstanding player.... If you would stop being naive in this situation and realize that a rare stat does not make you outstanding, then we can be on the same page.
LOL, yeah I'm naive, but you're the one saying he is "impressive but not outstanding".
Again, I ask you the question? It's not outstanding to be one of 12 players averaging 14 points and 9 rebounds a game? You are focused too much on the fact that the numbers don't seem that outstanding when they really are based on what everyone is doing. I would agree that in the NBA that wouldn't be outstanding but in the college game it is. Most everyone would agree that Cole Aldrich was outstanding last year and he averaged 14 and 11.
And I find it funny that you can only find a few examples of players who have exceeded that production. THAT IS THE WHOLE POINT! Yes, Harongody and Beasley produced at a higher level and that's why they were All Americans. My point is that AA's aren't the only ones who have outstanding seasons. To make 1st team All Conference in a major conference means you had an outstanding season. To make AA is really an incredibly special achievement. You pointing out that BG wasn't an AA doesn't mean he didn't have an outstanding season, only that there is another level beyond (again only occupied by 6 or 7 people!).
Again, you may not call that outstanding but almost everyone else would. We can quibble over words all you want but the evidence is on my side and so would be the majority of opinion.
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