Scott Drew is a ...

So I gotta ask. How much $$$ is involved with Baylor hoops right now? I have hard time believing Drew could make Baylor this good without it.

I have the exact same question. How did they go from where they were when he was hired, which was zero non-conference games to this? He has to be buying players to get this good.

I understand he has been greatly benefitted by OU and OSU's demise over the past 3-5 years (as both were probably the 2nd and 3rd best basketball programs in the conference before Eddie and Kelvin moved on) but I still don't see how they improved this much.
 
I'll bite. Why wouldn't it be?

I don't know why campbest was asking, but I have to say what ksSooner described Acy as doing doesn't deserve the entire team to be called classless.

They may very well be classless, as I can't say because I've never observed them and am not questioning those who have.

I wonder if the feelings of some on here isn't more related to the what was the worst basketball program in the conference seemingly passing us by in program quality. Kruger will get the ship righted and when he does Baylor will be back where they belong which is in our rear-view mirror.
 
Well you can talk about him all you want, but would love to have him at OU
 
I don't know why campbest was asking, but I have to say what ksSooner described Acy as doing doesn't deserve the entire team to be called classless.

They may very well be classless, as I can't say because I've never observed them and am not questioning those who have.

I wonder if the feelings of some on here isn't more related to the what was the worst basketball program in the conference seemingly passing us by in program quality. Kruger will get the ship righted and when he does Baylor will be back where they belong which is in our rear-view mirror.

This...sour grapes because some player wouldn't follow along with a student section's plan.
 
Please- this is a joke of a post. Were you at that game? He barely touched the ref. Did not grab him. He admitted he made a mistake. It is his second technical foul (the other one was in the NIT championship game for throwing his coat) in his career at Baylor. Your post is pathetic. Don't let the door hit your Tigers on the way out of the conference. I'm hoping for a 2nd half collapse from your team.

Hilarious.

Touching a ref, barely or otherwise, is childish, and it's par for the course for Drew. He's a constant whiner in the games I've seen, and I'd be embarrassed for a Mizzou coach to act like that on the sidelines.

I'm sure you're praying for a Mizzou collapse. It's the only way Baylor has a shot at a title after getting curb stomped in Lawrence and losing at home to Mizzou. Sad, considering how significant of a talent edge they have over every team in the conference.
 
Hilarious.

Touching a ref, barely or otherwise, is childish, and it's par for the course for Drew. He's a constant whiner in the games I've seen, and I'd be embarrassed for a Mizzou coach to act like that on the sidelines.

I'm sure you're praying for a Mizzou collapse. It's the only way Baylor has a shot at a title after getting curb stomped in Lawrence and losing at home to Mizzou. Sad, considering how significant of a talent edge they have over every team in the conference.

How do you define talent? They have the deepest roster, I'll grant you that. But I thought before the season started that the top 3 at Kansas and Missouri were better than top 3 at Baylor.

Robinson, Releford, Taylor

Ratliffe, Pressey, Denmon

Those combos are better than Jones, Acy, Jackson

But Missouri is a paper tiger. Guard oriented teams peak early and then fall apart down the stretch. I've lived through it with Baylor teams in the past. OSU might give them the beatdown in Stillwater tonight. I bet they have their chest puffed out a little after beating Baylor and are ripe to be upset.

Regardless, they have a stretch of games here where I see a 3-3 split for the Tigers in the next 6. We will see how they do. No depth might cause issues as the grind kicks in down the back stretch. If they stay healthy, they might survive and finish top 3 in the conference. If they get a key injury or two, the wheels might come off quick.
 
Hilarious.

Touching a ref, barely or otherwise, is childish, and it's par for the course for Drew. He's a constant whiner in the games I've seen, and I'd be embarrassed for a Mizzou coach to act like that on the sidelines.

By the way Sawyer, I sit right behind the visitor bench for Baylor games and Haith was in full whine mode all game long. But it could have been the photos that the Bearpit had of him and convicted felon Nevin Shapiro that had him a little edgier than normal.

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I define talent by who has the best players. And clearly that's Baylor (you're kidding with that Releford mention, right? He averaged 3 points per game last year).

Butler played for a title last year with a guard oriented team. They had two guys taller than 6-6 in their rotation. No different than Mizzou. I'm sure I could find dozens of other example of guard-oriented teams that didn't peak too early, but I figured I'd start at the top.

Mizzou's next six are @OSU, home vs. Texas Tech, @Texas, vs. kansas, @OU and vs. Baylor. Three of those games are against three of the Big 12's worst teams, and two more are against teams MU has already beat. If MU goes just 3-3 in that stretch, I'll leave this board for good.

Good one with the Nevin Shapiro jokes. Drew doesn't have a reputation at all. Baylor is lucky to have such a squeaky clean dude leading their program.
 
Butler played for a title last year with a guard oriented team. They had two guys taller than 6-6 in their rotation. No different than Mizzou. I'm sure I could find dozens of other example of guard-oriented teams that didn't peak too early, but I figured I'd start at the top.

Personally, I would contend most good college basketball teams are guard oriented. Villanova was awfully good with a four guard line-up. OSU went to the final four with a very guard oriented llineup.
 
Illinois is another one. Their final four team with Deron Williams, Dee Brown and Luther Head leading the attack had one starter over 6-6 (they did have some size on their bench, but the regular rotation included only three true post players).

Drew's inability to capitalize on his talented guards doesn't mean it's difficult for all coaches...
 
Illinois is another one. Their final four team with Deron Williams, Dee Brown and Luther Head leading the attack had one starter over 6-6 (they did have some size on their bench, but the regular rotation included only three true post players).

Drew's inability to capitalize on his talented guards doesn't mean it's difficult for all coaches...

It also helps when you have guards with size. Luther Head and Deron Williams were big, physical guards.

Drew's guard oriented team was built like Missouri's. Smallish guards. Baylor had nothing close to Ratliffe on those teams. If teams are able to get Ratliffe in foul trouble or if Ratliffe went down with an injury, Missouri is toast. You need to have balance to do well against good teams. It is like running/passing in football.

You saw what happened when Ratliffe got in foul trouble at KSU and only played 14 minutes. Missouri got rolled.
 
I have the exact same question. How did they go from where they were when he was hired, which was zero non-conference games to this? He has to be buying players to get this good.

I understand he has been greatly benefitted by OU and OSU's demise over the past 3-5 years (as both were probably the 2nd and 3rd best basketball programs in the conference before Eddie and Kelvin moved on) but I still don't see how they improved this much.

Agreed... I'd be shocked if he was clean.
 
It also helps when you have guards with size. Luther Head and Deron Williams were big, physical guards.

Drew's guard oriented team was built like Missouri's. Smallish guards. Baylor had nothing close to Ratliffe on those teams. If teams are able to get Ratliffe in foul trouble or if Ratliffe went down with an injury, Missouri is toast. You need to have balance to do well against good teams. It is like running/passing in football.

You saw what happened when Ratliffe got in foul trouble at KSU and only played 14 minutes. Missouri got rolled.

Pressey: 5-10, 175
Pressey: 6-2, 195
Denmon: 6-3, 185


Illinois' final four team:
Dee Brown: 6-0, 180
Deron Williams: 6-3, 200
Luther Head: 6-3, 180


You really see a significant difference there?

Ratliffe did struggle against ksu. So did Pressey and English. When three starters play awful on the road, you're going to lose. If Ratliffe gets in foul trouble or gets hurt, of course that will hurt Mizzou. Robinson going down would kill kansas' season, too. Most teams losing an all-conference player won't be the same.
 
Agree on the guards winning games statements. I've said that for years. University of Tulsa had a pretty good run that was driven by guard play as well.
 
Regardless, they have a stretch of games here where I see a 3-3 split for the Tigers in the next 6. We will see how they do. No depth might cause issues as the grind kicks in down the back stretch. If they stay healthy, they might survive and finish top 3 in the conference. If they get a key injury or two, the wheels might come off quick.

There goes one of the three. Don't worry Sawyer, I think Mizzou will get Tech in Columbia. That means they only need to go 2-2 @Texas; Kansas; @OU; Baylor. They will be overconfident in two of those games and relax a little- Oklahoma and Baylor.

Paper Tiger.
 
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