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[CrimsonandCream14]

How do you define talent? They have the deepest roster, I'll grant you that. But I thought before the season started that the top 3 at Kansas and Missouri were better than top 3 at Baylor.

Robinson, Releford, Taylor

Ratliffe, Pressey, Denmon

Those combos are better than Jones, Acy, Jackson

But Missouri is a paper tiger. Guard oriented teams peak early and then fall apart down the stretch. I've lived through it with Baylor teams in the past. OSU might give them the beatdown in Stillwater tonight. I bet they have their chest puffed out a little after beating Baylor and are ripe to be upset.

Regardless, they have a stretch of games here where I see a 3-3 split for the Tigers in the next 6. We will see how they do. No depth might cause issues as the grind kicks in down the back stretch. If they stay healthy, they might survive and finish top 3 in the conference. If they get a key injury or two, the wheels might come off quick.

Wasn't a beatdown, but they were certainly upset.

 

[PasoPoke]

Mizzou's next six are @OSU, home vs. Texas Tech, @Texas, vs. kansas, @OU and vs. Baylor. Three of those games are against three of the Big 12's worst teams, and two more are against teams MU has already beat. If MU goes just 3-3 in that stretch, I'll leave this board for good.

Good one with the Nevin Shapiro jokes. Drew doesn't have a reputation at all. Baylor is lucky to have such a squeaky clean dude leading their program.

This is just loaded with juicy targets.

Looks like you're 1/3 of the way to leaving, this could get interesting.

"Drew doesn't have a reputation at all" this has to be the best laugh I've had in a while. I happen to have been around some Big 12 coaches in social settings and they just roll their eyes and laugh when the subject of Baylor basketball comes up. Not only the mens coaches but the womens coaches as well. Drew is the least liked coach in the Big 12 and it's really not close. Rick Barnes would punch his lights out if he could.

 

[DFWHoopster]

This is just loaded with juicy targets.

Looks like you're 1/3 of the way to leaving, this could get interesting.

"Drew doesn't have a reputation at all" this has to be the best laugh I've had in a while. I happen to have been around some Big 12 coaches in social settings and they just roll their eyes and laugh when the subject of Baylor basketball comes up. Not only the mens coaches but the womens coaches as well. Drew is the least liked coach in the Big 12 and it's really not close. Rick Barnes would punch his lights out if he could.

The top recruiters are usually the most hated. You don't make many friends on the way to getting top players. It is a cut-throat business. I've been around Drew a lot and his assistants and I never hear them say anything bad about other coaches. Maybe that's why players like being around the Baylor staff- tend to see things through a positive lens.

So the people you hang with talk smack about women's recruiting also? Cool- I would have a hard time controlling my laughter if I heard some of that. Barnes and Drew get along fine. You're living on yesterday's news.

 

[stoops4pres]

The top recruiters are usually the most hated. You don't make many friends on the way to getting top players. It is a cut-throat business. I've been around Drew a lot and his assistants and I never hear them say anything bad about other coaches. Maybe that's why players like being around the Baylor staff- tend to see things through a positive lens.

So the people you hang with talk smack about women's recruiting also? Cool- I would have a hard time controlling my laughter if I heard some of that. Barnes and Drew get along fine. You're living on yesterday's news.

No they aren't. Many of the nation's best recruiters, football and/or basketball, aren't despised by their peers.

The way Drew goes about recruiting doesn't exactly replicate the way other great recruiters approach that aspect. Not saying Drew shouldn't alter his strategy, because it's worked for him... But it is possible for a coach to be a great recruiter without being a douchebag.

 

[SoMuchDramaInTheLNC]

I'm tired of hearing how bad of a coach Scott Drew is. If he's so bad, then how did Baylor go from being banned from non-conference play to the Elite Eight, to a top-10 team this year again? Before you say money, consider that Capel had players who were paid too, and look how that turned out.

 

[topdaug]

Well you can talk about him all you want, but would love to have him at OU

Not just no, but hell no...we're already under the microscope of the NCAA...I want that douche nowhere near our program...he could murder our program faster than Carlton Dotson...









Yep, that was a little classless, but eff it, I really can't stand BU...

 

[MsProudSooner]

I'm tired of hearing how bad of a coach Scott Drew is. If he's so bad, then how did Baylor go from being banned from non-conference play to the Elite Eight, to a top-10 team this year again? Before you say money, consider that Capel had players who were paid too, and look how that turned out.

He gets credit where it is due - for recruiting good players. It is the other aspects of coaching where he is suspect.

 

[Big Old Booger]

I'm tired of hearing how bad of a coach Scott Drew is. If he's so bad, then how did Baylor go from being banned from non-conference play to the Elite Eight, to a top-10 team this year again? Before you say money, consider that Capel had players who were paid too, and look how that turned out.

ouch

 

[Max Power]

I define talent by who has the best players. And clearly that's Baylor (you're kidding with that Releford mention, right? He averaged 3 points per game last year).

Butler played for a title last year with a guard oriented team. They had two guys taller than 6-6 in their rotation. No different than Mizzou. I'm sure I could find dozens of other example of guard-oriented teams that didn't peak too early, but I figured I'd start at the top.

Mizzou's next six are @OSU, home vs. Texas Tech, @Texas, vs. kansas, @OU and vs. Baylor. Three of those games are against three of the Big 12's worst teams, and two more are against teams MU has already beat. If MU goes just 3-3 in that stretch, I'll leave this board for good.

Good one with the Nevin Shapiro jokes. Drew doesn't have a reputation at all. Baylor is lucky to have such a squeaky clean dude leading their program.

Well you already lost at OSU LOL, now we just have to hope Kansas does to you what Kansas does to you, and that Baylor gets revenge and you are gone for good and on your way to the SEC east playing Kentucky and Florida twice a year... Have fun

 

[DFWHoopster]

He gets credit where it is due - for recruiting good players. It is the other aspects of coaching where he is suspect.

I think it is fair critique. Baylor fans question the x's and o's continually. In Drew's defense I would say:

1. He runs a great program. 21 of 22 that have used up eligibility have graduated. The other (Lace Dunn is making $200k+ playing overseas).

2. He had to take some character risks early on (or at least did- probably shouldn't have sad had to) in order to field a team that could athletically compete. As he has built the program, he has recruited high character kids that represent the school well and take care of their business in the classroom.

3. Top tier talent has been babied and coddled all their life and they don't respond well to criticism. Many of them are in desperate need of discipline but that's a discussion for another day... Fact is that Drew and his staff is cut out of the Dale Carnegie "encouragement and positive reinforcement are the best ways to coach" mold. That is not how most coaches are wired. Players talk. I talked to one that went to Texas that said he loved Austin but hated getting cussed out every single day in practice.

Drew's reputation with top talent is that he is a player's coach. He holds them accountable in a lot of ways. Miss a class- you get a one on one session with the strength coach that you won't forget... They practice defense 70% of the time in practice... But in reality, most players are not committed to defense and have to be threatened with the bench to make them love playing it.

As a Baylor fan, I have seen Drew change in that area as depth has improved. Perry Jones missed a box out against OU and Drew pulled him. Quincy Miller missed one later and Drew sat him extended minutes... I think Drew can keep his positive/enthusiastic demeanor and still enforce accountability in those ways. Wooden was the master at it.

4. The same qualities that make Drew a relentless recruiter also make him an accountability model for the players. He will wear players out about graduating until they do. Of course this benefits him- but it is the ultimate win/win. He also goes to extra lengths to make sure his players are prepared for life after eligibility is used up. The word gets out about this and of course this sells well with mom, dad and grandma.

He may be a "douchebag" to rivals and those who don't know him. But to those who know him, I never hear a bad word about him or his character. One story to illustrate this. He lost a heartbreaking game to Texas at home a few years ago on a last second shot. He signed up for nursery duty at his church in the morning after. One of the church members went by expecting him to "opt out" or get a replacement but said there he was changing diapers and playing with the little ones on the floor the next morning. Probably not behavior that you will see from most Division I basketball coaches. And certainly not behavior from a "douchebag" the way I would use the term.

 

[campbest]

I think it is fair critique. Baylor fans question the x's and o's continually. In Drew's defense I would say:

1. He runs a great program. 21 of 22 that have used up eligibility have graduated. The other (Lace Dunn is making $200k+ playing overseas).

2. He had to take some character risks early on (or at least did- probably shouldn't have sad had to) in order to field a team that could athletically compete. As he has built the program, he has recruited high character kids that represent the school well and take care of their business in the classroom.

3. Top tier talent has been babied and coddled all their life and they don't respond well to criticism. Many of them are in desperate need of discipline but that's a discussion for another day... Fact is that Drew and his staff is cut out of the Dale Carnegie "encouragement and positive reinforcement are the best ways to coach" mold. That is not how most coaches are wired. Players talk. I talked to one that went to Texas that said he loved Austin but hated getting cussed out every single day in practice.

Drew's reputation with top talent is that he is a player's coach. He holds them accountable in a lot of ways. Miss a class- you get a one on one session with the strength coach that you won't forget... They practice defense 70% of the time in practice... But in reality, most players are not committed to defense and have to be threatened with the bench to make them love playing it.

As a Baylor fan, I have seen Drew change in that area as depth has improved. Perry Jones missed a box out against OU and Drew pulled him. Quincy Miller missed one later and Drew sat him extended minutes... I think Drew can keep his positive/enthusiastic demeanor and still enforce accountability in those ways. Wooden was the master at it.

4. The same qualities that make Drew a relentless recruiter also make him an accountability model for the players. He will wear players out about graduating until they do. Of course this benefits him- but it is the ultimate win/win. He also goes to extra lengths to make sure his players are prepared for life after eligibility is used up. The word gets out about this and of course this sells well with mom, dad and grandma.

He may be a "douchebag" to rivals and those who don't know him. But to those who know him, I never hear a bad word about him or his character. One story to illustrate this. He lost a heartbreaking game to Texas at home a few years ago on a last second shot. He signed up for nursery duty at his church in the morning after. One of the church members went by expecting him to "opt out" or get a replacement but said there he was changing diapers and playing with the little ones on the floor the next morning. Probably not behavior that you will see from most Division I basketball coaches. And certainly not behavior from a "douchebag" the way I would use the term.

This wasn't necessary.

 

[stoops4pres]

I think it is fair critique. Baylor fans question the x's and o's continually. In Drew's defense I would say:

1. He runs a great program. 21 of 22 that have used up eligibility have graduated. The other (Lace Dunn is making $200k+ playing overseas).

2. He had to take some character risks early on (or at least did- probably shouldn't have sad had to) in order to field a team that could athletically compete. As he has built the program, he has recruited high character kids that represent the school well and take care of their business in the classroom.

3. Top tier talent has been babied and coddled all their life and they don't respond well to criticism. Many of them are in desperate need of discipline but that's a discussion for another day... Fact is that Drew and his staff is cut out of the Dale Carnegie "encouragement and positive reinforcement are the best ways to coach" mold. That is not how most coaches are wired. Players talk. I talked to one that went to Texas that said he loved Austin but hated getting cussed out every single day in practice.

Drew's reputation with top talent is that he is a player's coach. He holds them accountable in a lot of ways. Miss a class- you get a one on one session with the strength coach that you won't forget... They practice defense 70% of the time in practice... But in reality, most players are not committed to defense and have to be threatened with the bench to make them love playing it.

As a Baylor fan, I have seen Drew change in that area as depth has improved. Perry Jones missed a box out against OU and Drew pulled him. Quincy Miller missed one later and Drew sat him extended minutes... I think Drew can keep his positive/enthusiastic demeanor and still enforce accountability in those ways. Wooden was the master at it.

4. The same qualities that make Drew a relentless recruiter also make him an accountability model for the players. He will wear players out about graduating until they do. Of course this benefits him- but it is the ultimate win/win. He also goes to extra lengths to make sure his players are prepared for life after eligibility is used up. The word gets out about this and of course this sells well with mom, dad and grandma.

He may be a "douchebag" to rivals and those who don't know him. But to those who know him, I never hear a bad word about him or his character. One story to illustrate this. He lost a heartbreaking game to Texas at home a few years ago on a last second shot. He signed up for nursery duty at his church in the morning after. One of the church members went by expecting him to "opt out" or get a replacement but said there he was changing diapers and playing with the little ones on the floor the next morning. Probably not behavior that you will see from most Division I basketball coaches. And certainly not behavior from a "douchebag" the way I would use the term.

Did anyone else think this Scott Drew devotional was creepy?

And it's fair to call him a douchebag when it's common knowledge that he is reviled by the rest of the Big 12 coaches, particularly because of his propensity to negatively recruit. He's not breaking any rules this way so if he feels that's the best strategy to get these recruits, then more power to him. That doesn't change the fact that he is a douchebag for doing so. But if you don't like that term, feel free to insert an euphemism of your choice.

 

[DFWHoopster]

Did anyone else think this Scott Drew devotional was creepy?

Re-reading it was- I need my man card put on probation. :facepalm

 

[stoops4pres]

Re-reading it was- I need my man card put on probation. :facepalm

Haha, happens to the best of us. It takes a true man to admit his mistakes, so you're already on the road to recovery.

 

[Sawyer]

4-1 with one more to go.

And Scott Drew is still a horrible coach.

 

[DFWHoopster]

4-1 with one more to go.

And Scott Drew is still a horrible coach.

Good job remembering this thread. Congrats on the wins- your Tigers have been winning some close ones.

As for Drew's horrible coaching, I'm a results guy. And I applaud Coach Bill Self and the Jayhawk Nation for refusing to play your team in the future.