Sherri Coale interview with Hale KREF

[Sooner81]

Fifty years of working in the civil rights programs, one of which I co-founded resulting in Congressional and Military Commendations thanks to some diligent press, have taught me that I know very little about being black. But, I do have a lot of experience at listening and talking, searching for solutions. About the only thing of which I am certain is that I know more now than I knew five years ago, and that has been a constant theme. I also know that whites have absolutely no conception of what it is to be black. Everybody has a friend and works with a black guy.

Exactly, you and I know a lot about it BUT can’t and don’t understand it - there’s a difference. And because of that I will take the word of 3 black men who are great friends over your “opinion” today tomorrow and forever!!!

 

[sybarite]

Exactly, you and I know a lot about it BUT can’t and don’t understand it - there’s a difference. And because of that I will take the word of 3 black men who are great friends over your “opinion” today tomorrow and forever!!!

I'm just fine with you ignoring me. By the way, which one of you is Sherri recruiting?

 

[sooner8693]

Exactly, you and I know a lot about it BUT can’t and don’t understand it - there’s a difference. And because of that I will take the word of 3 black men who are great friends over your “opinion” today tomorrow and forever!!!

Best to move on and ignore this Syb person. He/she/it is plain scary crazy.

 

[Sooner81]

Best to move on and ignore this Syb person. He/she/it is plain scary crazy.

Think your right LOL

 

[Soonerguy06]

Think your right LOL

+100

Syb argues with everyone and has to prove everyone wrong. He/she/it obviously has some insecurities and feels the need to talk above everyone in this forum for a very sad, true reason.

 

[Oliver Hardy]

I’m not sure he’s ever even been to a game.

But I think he’s obsessed with Sherri, or at least defending her no matter what.


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[Speedy17]

It's 70 miles to DFW, and it is used as a social center.

Edit: let's carry that further. Waco, in itself, is about 22-24% black, somewhat vibrant. OKC is about 14%. Norman is 4% black (four).

Syb,

I grew up in Waco and still have family there. It is unequivocally 100 miles to Dallas and Austin on I35. I have made that drive thousands of times. A same measure would be someone driving from OKC to Tulsa for a social scene.

Your demographic numbers are true except for the fact that there is another 100K in suburbs of Waco that those demographics do not hold for. Anyone moving to Waco with kids will never live in Waco. The county numbers drop the Black numbers to 15%. By the way, Baylor is squeaky white. There used to be a black college in town called Paul Quinn, it moved to the Dallas area because of the lack of vibrancy in Waco.

 

[sybarite]

Syb,

I grew up in Waco and still have family there. It is unequivocally 100 miles to Dallas and Austin on I35. I have made that drive thousands of times. A same measure would be someone driving from OKC to Tulsa for a social scene.

Your demographic numbers are true except for the fact that there is another 100K in suburbs of Waco that those demographics do not hold for. Anyone moving to Waco with kids will never live in Waco. The county numbers drop the Black numbers to 15%. By the way, Baylor is squeaky white. There used to be a black college in town called Paul Quinn, it moved to the Dallas area because of the lack of vibrancy in Waco.

Speedy, how far is it front Waco to the part of DFW that the minorities frequent?

edit: Let me give you the reverse of the family that you describe. When I moved to my current address in 1979, I worked in research at the VA Med Ctr. I moved to the first city outside of Dallas, one that was 95% white at the time. It is now the largest black majority city in Texas, 68%, down to 20% whites. I remained. What was a struggling white-dominated city, fairly racist, which was downgrading its school system and closing fire stations eventually became dominated by the black population. For some reason, we found that we were rich: new schools, new stadiums, new library, new community center, etc. Lunch is served daily in the community center for those over 65, free. Rather than being a problem, my neighbors tend to watch out for me.

Baylor is, as near as I can tell, all-white except for athletes. I've only been there for scientific conferences years ago. Recently, there was a major national conference concerning racism in science, and it was held at UTA. I kind of live in the middle of this. My involvement in racial movements predates my living here, and the two are not connected.

 

[Sooner81]

Just thought of something, INOREF is the anti-SYbarite LOL. With Syb nothing is ever wrong and Sherri is great and we are winning 100% of the time, with Inoref nothing is ever right and Lon and Sherri suck and should just get out hahahahaha

 

[inoref]

Just thought of something, INOREF is the anti-SYbarite LOL. With Syb nothing is ever wrong and Sherri is great and we are winning 100% of the time, with Inoref nothing is ever right and Lon and Sherri suck and should just get out hahahahaha

never said Lon suck, in fact not sure if I ever said Sherri suck but if I had to pick between the two it would be Sherri

 

[SoonerSpock]

You aren't black, and you have no understanding of that community. You don't unless you are a part of it, which I'm not. But, I do have some links. The best man at my wedding was black. My major professor was black. When I was in graduate school, I didn't really see the racial disparity. But, my black friend sent his younger brother to OU so he would have me to look over him. After about four months at OU, he came to me prior to withdrawing from OU His statement was that "Norman was the whitest city in America." That may or may not have been true. but Norman and OKC had little to offer young blacks. In the Baltimore/DC area, he had been accustomed to a wide social life in a thriving black community. In Norman and OKC, he was part of sparse, uneventful and isolated life.

When I had been an undergraduate at OU, there was not one black person in any one of my classes. Not one. Several years later after the Army, I returned to graduate school. There were more blacks, but I never saw them after hours. They left town. There was nothing in Norman. There was barely anything in OKC. It is white, the whitest. If you are a young black, what are your job opportunities? What is your social life? You, being white, don't see it. I don't either, really. But, they do. Have you ever been the only white at an all-black party or night club? They live that.


And, yes, they have a full social life in DFW.

What does your or my black relationships have to do with the ability to recruiting black athletes to Norman or Waco? My working for blacks, blacks working for me and a couple of very long term social relationships with black and mixed couples has no bearing nor does any of yours. But is your standard diversion from the subject of discussion to an irrelevant conversation is your norm.

What did your friend's son think about Waco or did he even know where Waco was located? Did he spend 4 months in Waco?

Probably the best testament regarding recruiting to Norman is the approximately 150 Afro-American athletes on OU rosters that more than tolerate the social aspects of being a minority in Norman. Interestingly Baylor and OU have the same number of blacks on their WBB rosters. It is the quality differential between Baylor black WBB player and OU WBB black players the is the real factor that should be discussed.

PS Detroit, MI has a very large black population and social community but it too does not have any impact on the ability to recruit A/A kids to Waco or Norman.

 

[euphguy]

I have to agree with Syb about the racial composition/dynamics in Norman. It was tough being a black PhD student there. I was the only black person in my doctoral program, and I rarely saw any others (aside from the speckle of black athletes occasionally). People were friendly, but it wasn't the same. I defended my dissertation and left the same weekend. It undoubtedly has at least something to do with recruiting. Football is somewhat different because of how big the team is (more blacks together).

The racial dynamics for women's basketball appears to be a bit different from men's, in my opinion.

 

[sybarite]

I have to agree with Syb about the racial composition/dynamics in Norman. It was tough being a black PhD student there. I was the only black person in my doctoral program, and I rarely saw any others (aside from the speckle of black athletes occasionally). People were friendly, but it wasn't the same. I defended my dissertation and left the same weekend. It undoubtedly has at least something to do with recruiting. Football is somewhat different because of how big the team is (more blacks together).

The racial dynamics for women's basketball appears to be a bit different from men's, in my opinion.

Exactly. Incidentally, one of the first blacks to get a Ph.D. from OU was a friend in graduate school, a rather quiet, studious type, Richard Arrington. You may recognize his name as being the Mayor of Birmingham for a number of years. When I wrote a note of congratulations and surprise that he was involved in politics, he just wrote back, "Have I got a story to tell you." He never did. But, he did visit my secretary's child in the hospital in Birmingham.

 

[NMSooner'80]

I guess this thread should be titled "Gang Up on Syb" - as it sure has little to do with Sherri's radio interview.

For the uninitiated, there are lots of Sherri fans on here, but no one has ever said she was perfect. But, she's had unrelenting critics from the beginning on here. It didn't matter what she did, it was always "wrong." In-state recruiting? Never good enough. Hall of Fame nod? Not deserved, etc. etc,. etc.

And that kind of controversy was often accompanied by misguided admiration for the Wicked Witch of Waco. That often came from people who claimed to be OU fans, but who'd argue morality by bringing up stuff like Kelvin's "phone thing" or Billy Tubbs' alleged misdeeds. Those battles went on long before we got all of these new folks who want to pile on the "sunshine pumpers" and Syb in particular.

It's actually pretty sad for me to see this kind of discourse. I haven't crossed paths with Sherri in years, but I got to know her reasonably well when she was a college player. She was so impressive in every sense of the word.

I still think it ought to be required viewing for all the "bashers" to see the FSN-OK feature on Sherri when she was announced for the Hall of Fame. It even included tributes from Patty Gasso, who I didn't see being forced to say anything good about Sherri on camera. Personally, I have no doubt that Patty would be offended that her team's great "run" has been used as a figurative club on her basketball counterpart. I don't recall if K.J. Kindler was on the same video, but it's my honest opinion that she has a bunch of respect for Sherri.

I'm not saying I've never questioned anything she's done (like not redshirting some players, or not finding any suitable walk-ons for this past season). But I also know she's way more qualified to do her job than I am to critique it. End of story.

 

[sybarite]

I guess this thread should be titled "Gang Up on Syb" - as it sure has little to do with Sherri's radio interview.

For the uninitiated, there are lots of Sherri fans on here, but no one has ever said she was perfect. But, she's had unrelenting critics from the beginning on here. It didn't matter what she did, it was always "wrong." In-state recruiting? Never good enough. Hall of Fame nod? Not deserved, etc. etc,. etc.

And that kind of controversy was often accompanied by misguided admiration for the Wicked Witch of Waco. That often came from people who claimed to be OU fans, but who'd argue morality by bringing up stuff like Kelvin's "phone thing" or Billy Tubbs' alleged misdeeds. Those battles when on long before we got all of these new folks who want to pile on the "sunshine pumpers" and Syb in particular.

It's actually pretty sad for me to see this kind of discourse. I haven't crossed paths with Sherri in years, but I got to know her reasonably well when she was a college player. She was so impressive in every sense of the word.

I still think it ought to be required viewing for all the "bashers" to see the FSN-OK feature on Sherri when she was announced for the Hall of Fame. It even included tributes from Patty Gasso, who I didn't see being forced to say anything good about Sherri on camera. Personally, I have no doubt that Patty would be offended that her team's great "run" has been used as a figurative club on her basketball counterpart. I don't recall if K.J. Kindler was on the same video, but it's my honest opinion that she has a bunch of respect for Sherri.

I'm not saying I've never questioned anything she's done (like not redshirting some players, or not finding any suitable walk-ons for this past season). But I also know she's way more qualified to do her job than I am to critique it. End of story.

Excellent. We had a good interview, an opportunity to hear what her vision for the future is. We heard her indicate that she is thinking of a more uptempo game with a more mobile post and a lot of guards, as some teams are doing now. Ask Texas if they were impressed with UCLA? We had some good news.

Instead, it has all been a bash of everything Sherri. Got news. She is a highly-respected Hall of Fame coach, one of the youngest ever, also elected as the President of the Women's Association of Coaches. She doesn't know who her detractors are and could probably care less, as long as they don't get in her way. Attacks on me get you nothing. I don't care, and I don't tell Sherri about them, not that she would listen if I did.

She will be here as long as she wants, and she will probably be back in the Final Four. As her peers know, she does know basketball. It's tough to beat her, even when she has lesser talent.

 

[sooner8693]

Excellent. We had a good interview, an opportunity to hear what her vision for the future is. We heard her indicate that she is thinking of a more uptempo game with a more mobile post and a lot of guards, as some teams are doing now. Ask Texas if they were impressed with UCLA? We had some good news.

Instead, it has all been a bash of everything Sherri. Got news. She is a highly-respected Hall of Fame coach, one of the youngest ever, also elected as the President of the Women's Association of Coaches. She doesn't know who her detractors are and could probably care less, as long as they don't get in her way. Attacks on me get you nothing. I don't care, and I don't tell Sherri about them, not that she would listen if I did.

She will be here as long as she wants, and she will probably be back in the Final Four. As her peers know, she does know basketball. It's tough to beat her, even when she has lesser talent.

Her program now takes a back seat to the program in stoolwater. SC's program is now 2nd in this state.

 

[Speedy17]

Speedy, how far is it front Waco to the part of DFW that the minorities frequent?

edit: Let me give you the reverse of the family that you describe. When I moved to my current address in 1979, I worked in research at the VA Med Ctr. I moved to the first city outside of Dallas, one that was 95% white at the time. It is now the largest black majority city in Texas, 68%, down to 20% whites. I remained. What was a struggling white-dominated city, fairly racist, which was downgrading its school system and closing fire stations eventually became dominated by the black population. For some reason, we found that we were rich: new schools, new stadiums, new library, new community center, etc. Lunch is served daily in the community center for those over 65, free. Rather than being a problem, my neighbors tend to watch out for me.

Baylor is, as near as I can tell, all-white except for athletes. I've only been there for scientific conferences years ago. Recently, there was a major national conference concerning racism in science, and it was held at UTA. I kind of live in the middle of this. My involvement in racial movements predates my living here, and the two are not connected.

You are making a big assumption that minority students would automatically frequent Dallas. That simply does not happen with the students at Baylor. As for distance, at least 90 miles is the answer - you go 70 and you are in Waxahachie. It takes another 15-20 to hit Desoto. You hit where I 35 crosses I 20, you can go to Lancaster. The southside of Dallas on I 35 very different from the northside. As for demographics, if you were talking hispanic then you have it. In Waco, whites are the minority and there is not a suburb where blacks are the majority. Whites are 43.3%, Hispanic 32.2, and African American 20.7.

As for Baylor, it is 63.9 % White, 14% Hispanic, 6.8 African American, 6.2% Asian, and others.

By the way, none of this has to do with why Mulkey can recruit athletes to Baylor and Sherri has trouble recruiting to Norman. OU is simply not the name brand in Women's Basketball that it used to be.

 

[sybarite]

You are making a big assumption that minority students would automatically frequent Dallas. That simply does not happen with the students at Baylor. As for distance, at least 90 miles is the answer - you go 70 and you are in Waxahachie. It takes another 15-20 to hit Desoto. You hit where I 35 crosses I 20, you can go to Lancaster. The southside of Dallas on I 35 very different from the northside. As for demographics, if you were talking hispanic then you have it. In Waco, whites are the minority and there is not a suburb where blacks are the majority. Whites are 43.3%, Hispanic 32.2, and African American 20.7.

As for Baylor, it is 63.9 % White, 14% Hispanic, 6.8 African American, 6.2% Asian, and others.

By the way, none of this has to do with why Mulkey can recruit athletes to Baylor and Sherri has trouble recruiting to Norman. OU is simply not the name brand in Women's Basketball that it used to be.

I am making the assumption that they don't stay in Waco. I'm in Lancaster, and it is about an hour south to Waco.

There is a fairly strong black community in the Lancaster, DeSoto, Carter (S. Dal), Kimball, Duncanville, South Oak Cliff area. It really doesn't go into N Dallas. It tends to be in Lancaster Road in Dallas, swinging over to Martin Luther King, the fairgrounds area, and into Military Parkway.

Euphguy indicates what I had been saying about Norman. I would suggest that his opinions in this area take precedence since he is a part of that community. My experience is what the black community has told me.

Kim recruits differently, and it shows. You don't see many academic types in Waco, a tendency to the absence of Academic All-Big Eights, e.g. You do see Kim's attitude recruited: "us against the world," or, "the world is out to get us." I doubt that most of the other players recruited in the Big Twelve would think of pulling someone's hair or hitting them in the jaw with a fist. That mentality seems to find its way to Kim. Where else have you seen it?

 

[sybarite]

I just cancelled my subscription to OUInsider because one of the staff wrote a post that said Sherri should resign (or something like that). He also stated in another post that Bo Overton was the person who built the program and that Sherri couldn't keep it going without him. Sexism much? So, I won't be getting all of those wonderful recruiting posts by Hale---maybe one per year. Posters bring more accurate information to the board.

 

[Oliver Hardy]

I just cancelled my subscription to OUInsider because one of the staff wrote a post that said Sherri should resign (or something like that). He also stated in another post that Bo Overton was the person who built the program and that Sherri couldn't keep it going without him. Sexism much? So, I won't be getting all of those wonderful recruiting posts by Hale---maybe one per year. Posters bring more accurate information to the board.

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