TJ Taylor

[MsProudSooner]

I was being sarcastic...Probably should have included a smiley.

Gotcha.....sorry.

 

[luckyc1423]

I'm just spitballing here but I'd imagine that if the kid already had some academic issues prior to coming to OU that his post-concussion studies were particularily difficult with the headaches and after effects of the injury lasting much longer than what was anticipated.

I had also heard something about him getting in trouble but never heard anything specific/definite.

I have heard this logic before and it makes sense. But how and why is he qualifying at marquette. If the concussion was the problem to his academic issues why isn't he back at ou instead of Marquette? That's all I was wanting to know.

 

[thebigabd]

MCDAA's before Capel 2 all time

MCDAA's signed by Capel 4 ..

you can say lots and lots of bad things about Capel but that he couldn't sign quality kids is not one of them

So you are saying he was the worst coach in the history of the program even though he brought in the most talent?

 

[bgrch1350]

I would like to know really what happened with Taylor. Now that he is at another school I dont believe the story about he left because of a concussion. If he did then why isnt he back at the school??

Frustrating, I know it doesnt matter and we keep beating a dead horse but Capel just couldnt keep guys. Think about the potential list

Capel Lost:
1) Damion James
2) Scottie Reynolds
3) A Coach
4) TJ Taylor

I know I am missing several guys but these above guys were key.

Then even if we losted WW if we never had capel we still would have gotten clark.

Awful decision to ever hire capel. Lol, flame on.

First of all...WW, Griffin, TMG, and Gallon did not transfer...they left the program to pursue a professional career. The 2 previous McDAA under Sampson transferred.

If your saying Capel lost Reynolds and James then Kruger lost Clarke, Ellis, Randle...etc...

You need to do some research and see just how many guys transfered under Sampson b/c we all know he didn't put anyone in the league(except for Najera) in his tenure here. I rather lose Warren, Griffin, and Gallon to the NBA than lose Humphrey and Lavender to other teams...which is exactly what separates Sampson from Capel.

 

[Soonerpirate12]

First of all...WW, Griffin, TMG, and Gallon did not transfer...they left the program to pursue a professional career. The 2 previous McDAA under Sampson transferred.

If your saying Capel lost Reynolds and James then Kruger lost Clarke, Ellis, Randle...etc...

You need to do some research and see just how many guys transfered under Sampson b/c we all know he didn't put anyone in the league(except for Najera) in his tenure here. I rather lose Warren, Griffin, and Gallon to the NBA than lose Humphrey and Lavender to other teams...which is exactly what separates Sampson from Capel.

No that doesn't mean Kruger lost them! You need to do some research James and Reynolds were committed te others weren't so yes capel lost them! Kruger didn't!

 

[WTSooner]

First of all...WW, Griffin, TMG, and Gallon did not transfer...they left the program to pursue a professional career. The 2 previous McDAA under Sampson transferred.

If your saying Capel lost Reynolds and James then Kruger lost Clarke, Ellis, Randle...etc...

You need to do some research and see just how many guys transfered under Sampson b/c we all know he didn't put anyone in the league(except for Najera) in his tenure here. I rather lose Warren, Griffin, and Gallon to the NBA than lose Humphrey and Lavender to other teams...which is exactly what separates Sampson from Capel.

 

[campbest]

You need to do some research and see just how many guys transfered under Sampson b/c we all know he didn't put anyone in the league(except for Najera) in his tenure here. I rather lose Warren, Griffin, and Gallon to the NBA than lose Humphrey and Lavender to other teams...which is exactly what separates Sampson from Capel.

...and a Final Four.

 

[NickZepp]

If we never put another guy in the NBA and win like we did under Sampson I would be satisfied. Now if you win like Sampson did we'll put guys in the NBA once in a while.

 

[WTSooner]

If we never put another guy in the NBA and win like we did under Sampson I would be satisfied. Now if you win like Sampson did we'll put guys in the NBA once in a while.

Yep.

Here is what I wonder.....is there any school that isn't a traditional basketball power that has a) put more men in the NBA than OU in the last 20 years, and b) also won as consistently as OU over the last 20 years?

My guess is not. Or not very many.

 

[MsProudSooner]

I'm sorry, but if you try to compare Coach Capel to Coach Sampson, Coach Capel is going to come out on the losing end every time.

If you compare career won/loss records at OU, you find:

Coach Sampson:
257 wins and 98 losses for an average of 21.4 wins and 8.1 losses per year.

Coach Capel:
96 wins and 69 loses for an average of 16 wins and 11.5 loses per year.

We are all familiar with the saying, Hard work beats talent when talent doesn't work hard. Coach Capel may well have recruited more talented players than Coach Sampson did, but Coach Capel couldn't get them to work hard, no matter how hard he tried.

I'm certainly not a Coach Capel hater. I hope he learns from the mistakes he made at OU and is a better coach for it in the future. Perhaps he will be a better coach than Coach Sampson someday. But right now, he doesn't even come close.

 

[NickZepp]

We had 2 really amazing coaches back to back in Tubbs and Sampson. And Sampson may have put one guy in the NBA but he had a lot of other borderline NBA talent. Corey Brewer, Nate Erdmann, Ace McGhee, Hollis Price were all borderline NBA talents and a lot of his former players are cashing in a ton overseas. Probably making more than they would have ended up making it to the NBA for a short period.

But besides all that you have to look at results at the college level. The fact that Billy Tubbs put guys in the NBA doesn't matter to me. The fact that he went to a Title game dominated the Big 8 from 1983-1991 or so is what impresses me. Same with Sampson except he had to go against Kansas at it's height and had us as the 2nd best program in the Big 12 for over a decade.

I would love to even be in the top half of the new Big 12 conference right now. We will be lucky to not be picked last by most in the Big 12 next year.

 

[Sooner04]

So.....

What really happened with TJ Taylor?

 

[WTSooner]

I don't care about NBA talent. NBA talent does not necessarily mean the best college players. Case in point, Ace and Hollis both being two of the top players in college, and not really sniffing the NBA. If we have a coach that is better at finding and recruiting THOSE types of kids, rather than NBA guys, I'm 110% fine with it.

 

[skyvue]

I don't care about NBA talent. NBA talent does not necessarily mean the best college players. Case in point, Ace and Hollis both being two of the top players in college, and not really sniffing the NBA. If we have a coach that is better at finding and recruiting THOSE types of kids, rather than NBA guys, I'm 110% fine with it.

Yahtzee!

I wish all our athletes luck in pursuing their dreams of a professional career, but beyond that, I don't much care how many we put in the NBA (or the NFL or MLB or...). I'll take every Hollis Price and Josh Heupel type we can land.

What's more, saying TMG and Gallon left for professional careers is a very special brand of spin. They left because their hearts were never really in college ball in the first place. They'd been blown full of hot air about how great they were and had little interest in working hard to improve. It wasn't like any of them had great professional prospects. They were distracted and disinterested and each played a primary role in leaving Sooner hoops in disarray.

I'm semi-neutral on WW, but I'd just as soon forget TMG and TG ever set foot in Norman. And the characterization of them only leaving the program because they wished to pursue professional careers is beyond laughable.

 

[Dr Sleep]

:facepalm

None of the OU coaches have been able to consistently bring in QUALITY MCDAA's. The difference is, Tubbs and Kelvin didn't a) bring in a bunch of the bad apples that schools like Duke/UNC weren't recruiting, and b) they didn't waste a bunch of time recruiting pipe dreams like Harrison Barnes.

Kelvin brought in a lot of bad kids!!! every offseason he would run them off.

 

[bgrch1350]

Kelvin brought in a lot of bad kids!!! everyone offseason he would run them off.

Exactly...everyone seems to have a short memory. He even brought in the Carruth kid after his mess and then had to kick him off as well.

 

[WTSooner]

Exactly...everyone seems to have a short memory. He even brought in the Carruth kid after his mess and then had to kick him off as well.

Was Carruth suppose to be a star player? Kelvin rarely missed on his stars, or leaders. He took some chances, and when they didn't pan out, he still put NCAA teams on the floor. THAT, is the difference.

 

[boksooner]

Kelvin brought in a lot of bad kids!!! everyone offseason he would run them off.

Exactly...everyone seems to have a short memory. He even brought in the Carruth kid after his mess and then had to kick him off as well.

The difference is that Kelvin never had a year anywhere close to the last to years. He made the post season every year. Capel went 2 of 5. You can have an occasional bad apple, as long as it doesn't keep you from winning.

 

[Dr Sleep]

First of all...WW, Griffin, TMG, and Gallon did not transfer...they left the program to pursue a professional career. The 2 previous McDAA under Sampson transferred.

If your saying Capel lost Reynolds and James then Kruger lost Clarke, Ellis, Randle...etc...

You need to do some research and see just how many guys transfered under Sampson b/c we all know he didn't put anyone in the league(except for Najera) in his tenure here. I rather lose Warren, Griffin, and Gallon to the NBA than lose Humphrey and Lavender to other teams...which is exactly what separates Sampson from Capel.

I all fairness, i doubt any Div. 1 schools would have taken Tiny as a transfer while he was being investigated by the NCAA. You would rather lose him to NBA, but he should never have been here before getting us penalized.

 

[Dr Sleep]

Was Carruth suppose to be a star player? Kelvin rarely missed on his stars, or leaders. He took some chances, and when they didn't pan out, he still put NCAA teams on the floor. THAT, is the difference.

Carruth was a very highly rated recruit out of HS, look it up.