As a fan, what is the most important outcome for you?

[cvangild]

I’d love to get back to winning 25+ games a year, which means you probably finished in the top half of the big 12....with the occasional 30+ win season (maybe once out of every 7-8 seasons), which would likely mean you make it to either the final four or the elite 8.

Making the Final Four at least 1 of every 10 seasons is very doable for a program like OU.

 

[WTSooner]

as has been said and proven this is a much better basketball conf than OU has ever been in

It has been "proven". Especially not that it is better enough that it has a significant impact on expected results. Flat out, we haven't been consistently as good on the basketball floor as we were prior to Capel. That's a fact that has been proven.

 

[Eielson]

If we didn't win a single game in 9 seasons, but won a national championship, I'd take that decade. That's how bad I want a title. Do I envy Tech's program? No. But I envy that title so, so bad. **** consistency at this point.

I wouldn't be saying that had we ever won one.

 

[Eielson]

as has been said and proven this is a much better basketball conf than OU has ever been in

You use the word "proven" far too loosely.

 

[WichitaSooner]

You use the word "proven" far too loosely.

When every relevant, provable, objective fact establishes something, that is proof.

 

[skyvue]

Do I envy Tech's program? No. But I envy that title so, so bad. **** consistency at this point.

Which title is it you envy -- Tech's 2019 Outdoor Track and Field championship or its 1993 Women's Basketball championship? Those are the only two national champion teams Tech has ever had.

 

[WaymanFan]

Which title is it you envy -- Tech's 2019 Outdoor Track and Field championship or its 1993 Women's Basketball championship? Those are the only two national champion teams Tech has ever had.

LOL! Perhaps a more enticing comparison would be Arkansas. Would our fan base want a decade like the Razorbacks had in the 1990s (1Natty, 3FF) if it meant basically being a non-factor for the next two decades after? That may be a tough one. 20 years of not having much to root for...that’s a long time.

 

[WichitaSooner]

Which title is it you envy -- Tech's 2019 Outdoor Track and Field championship or its 1993 Women's Basketball championship? Those are the only two national champion teams Tech has ever had.

Are you nuts, they dominate meat judging like no other.

 

[WaymanFan]

It has been "proven". Especially not that it is better enough that it has a significant impact on expected results. Flat out, we haven't been consistently as good on the basketball floor as we were prior to Capel. That's a fact that has been proven.

Meh...the difference is consistency during the Kelvin era, but the comparisons based on NCAA Tournament success are strikingly similar. We basically replace a bunch of "one and done seasons" with losing seasons. Yeah, we all prefer the former, but that is not a monumental difference if there is no additional NCAA Tournament success.

Kelvin Era: 1 Final Four
Post-Kelvin: 1 Final Four

Kelvin: 2 Elite Eight
Post-Kelvin: 2 Elite Eight

Kelvin: 3 Sweet 16
Post-Kelvin: 3 Sweet 16

Kelvin: 5 Round of 32
Post-Kelvin: 5 Round of 32

 

[Eielson]

When every relevant, provable, objective fact establishes something, that is proof.

Pretty strong overreach.

 

[Eielson]

Which title is it you envy -- Tech's 2019 Outdoor Track and Field championship or its 1993 Women's Basketball championship? Those are the only two national champion teams Tech has ever had.

Whoops!

 

[WTSooner]

Meh...the difference is consistency during the Kelvin era, but the comparisons based on NCAA Tournament success are strikingly similar. We basically replace a bunch of "one and done seasons" with losing seasons. Yeah, we all prefer the former, but that is not a monumental difference if there is no additional NCAA Tournament success.

Kelvin Era: 1 Final Four
Post-Kelvin: 1 Final Four

Kelvin: 2 Elite Eight
Post-Kelvin: 2 Elite Eight

Kelvin: 3 Sweet 16
Post-Kelvin: 3 Sweet 16

Kelvin: 5 Round of 32
Post-Kelvin: 5 Round of 32

Overall Winning %:
Kelvin: 72%
Post-Kelvin: 60%
Kruger: 61%

Big 12 Winning %:
Kelvin: 68%
Post-Kelvin: 49%
Kruger: 50%

Kruger's numbers so far more closely resemble Capel's than Sampson's.

 

[thebigabd]

Overall Winning %:
Kelvin: 72%
Post-Kelvin: 60%
Kruger: 61%

Big 12 Winning %:
Kelvin: 68%
Post-Kelvin: 49%
Kruger: 50%

Kruger's numbers so far more closely resemble Capel's than Sampson's.

Nice research WTsooner... I think those in opposition should do some research on confirmation bias... Pretty interesting.

 

[WichitaSooner]

Nice research WTsooner... I think those in opposition should do some research on confirmation bias... Pretty interesting.

And WT should so some research on schedule strength. Actually, that has already been done by many others on here to prove what he refuses to admit, which is that our conference and noncon schedules are far more difficult now than they were under Kelvin. But some people only like to look at numbers when they support their view.

 

[Sooner04]

overall winning %:
Kelvin: 72%
post-kelvin: 60%
kruger: 61%

big 12 winning %:
Kelvin: 68%
post-kelvin: 49%
kruger: 50%

Blimey !!!

 

[BoulderSooner]

Overall Winning %:
Kelvin: 72%
Post-Kelvin: 60%
Kruger: 61%

Big 12 Winning %:
Kelvin: 68%
Post-Kelvin: 49%
Kruger: 50%

Kruger's numbers so far more closely resemble Capel's than Sampson's.

also sampson much much easier conf

kruger the best conf in the nation

 

[thebigabd]

also sampson much much easier conf

kruger the best conf in the nation

A.) I don't buy that

B.) This defense basically states that OU isn't that good of a program, and merely took advantage of a weak league for a period of 12 years or so. And that .500 in the modern Big 12 is where OU belongs.

 

[BoulderSooner]

A.) I don't buy that

B.) This defense basically states that OU isn't that good of a program, and merely took advantage of a weak league for a period of 12 years or so. And that .500 in the modern Big 12 is where OU belongs.

you can buy whatever you want it is a fact that it is a better league now

 

[thebigabd]

you can buy whatever you want it is a fact that it is a better league now

So then you must believe B is also true.

 

[Sooner04]

So, which is better? To be one of the bell cows in a weaker league or middle of the pack (or worse) in a tougher league?

I'm not big on participation trophies. I want to win.