Big 12 all conference team and awards

[Sweetest OU Girl]

If I was voting for the all defensive team, that would not be easy when judging players who play in a system that runs mostly a zone.

I agree Norm.

One thing I really liked about that Defensive team is that it recognizes three seniors who were not honored elsewhere on the awards list, but have all 3 been excellent players in the conference over their years in school.

In fact lots of seniors were recognized on the various teams - and all were players we have enjoyed watching the past few years because of the key roles they played on their teams.

 

[Vinny78]

Here is the thing. These girls are not going to be basketball players all their lives. Yes some aspire to be professional players, so aspire to be coaches, and some aspire to be broadcasters. Although these revolve around the game, some may not be around the game their whole lives. But what Sherri does off the court is what is going to make our ladies stand out when it comes to getting jobs. The ladies do a lot of volunteer work which will help them incredibly when it comes to getting a job and having a resume. I don't know what other coaches in the Big 12 do to help develop their players as "people" and not just as basketball players. But I assure you one thing. There is probably no coach better than Sherri Coale that does that in the Big 12 conference of maybe even in the nation. It's too bad they do not decide who the "best coach" is based upon off the court development as well. Sherri Coale is my Big 12 coach of the year.

OU didn't hire her for that, they hired her to WIN. She can be the best at developing the players off the court and win 10 games and they will FIRE her. That is REALITY if anyone wants to deal with it

 

[SoonerNorm]

OU didn't hire her for that, they hired her to WIN. She can be the best at developing the players off the court and win 10 games and they will FIRE her. That is REALITY if anyone wants to deal with it

Winning is what coaches are paid to do. Certainly, Sherri isn't in fear of losing her job but, the bottom line is, any coach (any sport) must win at a level acceptable to the AD or they will be fired and it won't matter how many players were academic All-Americans or how much each player volunteers. Winning without cheating is what matters.

 

[MsProudSooner]

OU didn't hire her for that, they hired her to WIN. She can be the best at developing the players off the court and win 10 games and they will FIRE her. That is REALITY if anyone wants to deal with it

No one disputes that coaches at OU are hired to win and that there is a level beyond which their job is no longer secure. That's a given. The disagreement is over how the coaches discipline players and how the university discipline's coaches.

Do you really think that if one of Sherri's or Patty Gasso's players had slugged a player like Griner did the disciplinary actions taken wouldn't have been any more than was imposed on Griner?

Do you really think that if Sherri or Patty threw fits on the sidelines like Mulkey does, the university wouldn't step in? I'm pretty sure that, at a minimum public apologies would have been issued if an OU coach behaved the way Kim does.

Yes, I want all OU coaches to produce winning programs. It obvious by coaching changes that have been made over the past few years in some sports that the Athletic Department feels the same way. But I also think that the Athletic Department encourages, if not demands, that the coaches mentor and encourage their players off the field of play as well as on the field of lay.

 

[Vinny78]

No one disputes that coaches at OU are hired to win and that there is a level beyond which their job is no longer secure. That's a given. The disagreement is over how the coaches discipline players and how the university discipline's coaches.

Do you really think that if one of Sherri's or Patty Gasso's players had slugged a player like Griner did the disciplinary actions taken wouldn't have been any more than was imposed on Griner?

Do you really think that if Sherri or Patty threw fits on the sidelines like Mulkey does, the university wouldn't step in? I'm pretty sure that, at a minimum public apologies would have been issued if an OU coach behaved the way Kim does.

Yes, I want all OU coaches to produce winning programs. It obvious by coaching changes that have been made over the past few years in some sports that the Athletic Department feels the same way. But I also think that the Athletic Department encourages, if not demands, that the coaches mentor and encourage their players off the field of play as well as on the field of lay.

Blame Baylor's administration for not doing more to Griner, it was in THEIR hands. And actually I wish Sherri would get some technicals and throw a few more fits. And when Tubbs was there he threw all kinds of fits and said things on the microphone (which i still laugh at) and the administation didn't do a thing. And our football coaches have all kinds of Kim type antics on the sidelines. So I don't think OU cares about that stuff

 

[Sweetest OU Girl]

Blame Baylor's administration for not doing more to Griner, it was in THEIR hands. And actually I wish Sherri would get some technicals and throw a few more fits. And when Tubbs was there he threw all kinds of fits and said things on the microphone (which i still laugh at) and the administation didn't do a thing. And our football coaches have all kinds of Kim type antics on the sidelines. So I don't think OU cares about that stuff

I can tell you have not watched the Billy Tubbs reunion shows that have been airing recently.

Or else you think the official involved in the most famous of those events is a liar.

 

[35TangoTango]

Stop feeding the troll!

 

[Vinny78]

Stop feeding the troll!

Tango, do you not know the RULES of this board? You seem to think you are above them. The moderators should have a "chat" with you on PM and remind you that posters are NOT supposed to attack other posters. You call me a troll, if you want to meet up I will show you that I have 6 season tickets to Football/Men's B-Ball/Women's B-Ball/Softball and am a Large financial donor to the University Of Oklahoma. I seriously doubt you do anything near that. Not saying that you are not an OU fan BUT for me to be a Troll wouldn't you think I would NOT have some much financially invested to the University I apparently don't like? Hmmmmm? Answer that one question IF YOU CAN HAVE A CONVERSATION. Or just come back and say Troll LOL. You know it doesn't bother me a bit, I laugh AT you everytime you and the other sit at home homers do this. And as a reminder, MANY of the people on this board feel the same way I do, I have proof.

 

[Vinny78]

I can tell you have not watched the Billy Tubbs reunion shows that have been airing recently.

Or else you think the official involved in the most famous of those events is a liar.

Nope, been too busy with business (some of us have to work, lol). And I never have said ANYONE is a liar. i was just referring to how funny it was and that it was WAY more than anything Kimmy has done AND OU did nothing to him about it. Great moment in OU history though, love it when someone says and does what everyone else is just thinking.

Billy always said, If you don't like getting beat so bad, GET BETTER, hahaha. Love him

 

[got mulk??]

Nothing that Kim has done is beyond the behavior of coaches in every sport worldwide. Not that I approve of some of her antics but it is common among passionate coaches that want to win. The fact that it isn't in the public eye is that other just haven't been caught. For the most part, I actually like Kim's sideline behavior when she pumps her fists and raises her arms getting the crowd involved, cuz unfortunately most of our crowd is blue hairs who just sit there and need a kick in the butt to stand up! I also don't mind her arguing to the ref about a legitimate bad call even if it results in a technical. It's instant motivation and usually works in our favor minus the strip tease. Maybe if Sherri gets off the bench more and shows more emotion she could get more from her young players. After we lost in Norman, she was fist pumping at center court like OU won an NC! That kind of emotion might need to be more prevalent, IMO.

As for the topic of thread coach of the year, unfortunately when 2 coaches have done remarkable jobs coaching young teams and taking then to the tie breaker is overall record. Sherri has done a great job this season, just not as good as Kim! The true test is to see who goes farther in NCAA Tournament.

 

[sybarite]

So. You believe that every team hits players and pulls the opponent's hair?

 

[got mulk??]

Not every team but it is not uncommon in the sports world. Just a few months ago punches were thrown between Alabama and Auburn. Get off you high horse and step into reality! Live in the present not the past!

 

[sybarite]

I'm sorry. But, that answer is unacceptable. I have seen it exactly twice in women's basketball: Griner and Riley. Neither coach handled it well, and it is unacceptable at an institution of higher learning t0 accept that type of behavior. In addition, I have only seen hair-pulling by one team. The fact that such behavior is not uncommon suggests a willing environment.

I must admit that I hold a university to a higher standard than I do professional sports. If fans want to watch that nonsense, so be it. But, a university is where we instill the values of our society, and that is the reason that we fund them. If a player throws a punch in a game at OU in any sport, I am in favor of suspending that player for no less than a semester. Reinstatement may be unlikely. A coach who would tolerate that rather than teach would be dismissed.

Pro sports is one thing. A university is another. I am one of a great number of people who think Kim Mulkey is someone that I don't want at an institution of higher learning. Winning isn't worth it if you lose at the purpose of the university.

 

[35TangoTango]

I believe that Kim is the best coach (recruiting and winning-wise) in the Big 12. But she did not do the best coaching job in the Big 12 this year. The coaches avoid all controversy by always voting for the coach of the team that wins the conference. Before Kim's string, Sherri won it 4 years in a row.

I just watched the end of the OU-Baylor game. 3:30 left, Baylor up 6. Sherri calls a time out, sets up an inbounds play and pumps her players up. OU goes on a run. With 2:20 left Kim calls a time out and spends the whole time out chewing out her players. They come out dispirited and OU wins.

At the end of the Baylor-ISU game 1:30 to go, Baylor is down, but within striking distance. No time out, no clock management, Kim stands with a shell-shocked expression on her face while the clock winds down on Baylor's second loss in a row.

ESPN's analysts (Michelle and Mechelle) were divided on who the Big 12 coach of the year; one for Pebley, one for Coale.

 

[Sweetest OU Girl]

As for the topic of thread coach of the year, unfortunately when 2 coaches have done remarkable jobs coaching young teams and taking then to the tie breaker is overall record. Sherri has done a great job this season, just not as good as Kim! The true test is to see who goes farther in NCAA Tournament.

Hi gm.

This post is a bit tongue in cheek so don't be offended. I for one appreciate your posts on this board and think you stay pretty balanced about events.

I appreciate your feeling about KM being the best choice since her team won the conference. The problem is that has never been the criteria. Bob Stoops won the conference in football time after time, but was coach of the year only a couple of those. And I do not recall any OU fans complaining about the years he did not. (There had to be some but I don't recall it). But the point is, he did not win it just because his team had the best record.

Sometimes the case for a claim can be shown to be weak by finding a counter example. Suppose one team plays UCONN 20 times and wins half. So they lose 10 times. Another university plays 20 high school teams and wins 17 of them. Would anyone make the case the 2nd coach was better than the first? You simply cannot use only the record to determine that. Probably the most critical factor is were they coaching players of the same caliber against about the same quality of competition? According to the same voters who selected COY, Baylor had the best player and 2 consensus 1st team members. OU had none.

I don't know who should have been COY and truthfully it doesn't matter. But there is no doubt Sherri had the hardest job. Others looking at the quality of her players said they were only good enough players to place 5th. She put them together and led them to 2nd place by 4 games ahead of 3rd. For goodness sakes, no OU player even won a single player of the week award during conference. Think about that. Not a single really outstanding player (according to the selectors) any week of the conference year - and yet her team finished 2nd by a landslide. Pretty impressive coaching I'd say.

Kim, on the other hand, was credited with the best players (pre-season) and was predicted to place 1st. She did, but even at that her team was struggling by the end of the regular season - a big surprise to most. Was it all her fault? Who knows? But the voters said her players were still the best in the league - so its pretty hard to put all the blame on them.

 

[35TangoTango]

Actually, Texas was picked to finish first - Baylor 2nd.

 

[Sweetest OU Girl]

Actually, Texas was picked to finish first - Baylor 2nd.

And that probably tells us a lot about the insight of the voters wouldn't you say?

 

[got mulk??]

I agree with your statement about the morals of a university but just wanted express that it happens. Kim did not handle the situation properly but by your reasoning every single athlete that she has ever coached will amount to nothing! That is simply not true. Baylor doesn't have a bad wrap outside of the conference. Elite players like Alexis Jones still keep coming in and most ESPN analysts and commentators speak highly of Kim and Baylor......Strange, huh?

 

[sybarite]

I agree with your statement about the morals of a university but just wanted express that it happens. Kim did not handle the situation properly but by your reasoning every single athlete that she has ever coached will amount to nothing! That is simply not true. Baylor doesn't have a bad wrap outside of the conference. Elite players like Alexis Jones still keep coming in and most ESPN analysts and commentators speak highly of Kim and Baylor......Strange, huh?

That is not what I said. I do think that every Baylor athlete would be better off if there were no KIm Mulkey. I don't think that you have considered that Baylor had the support of the fans in this area when they won with Sophia. I don't know that anyone had a problem with that team. I knew Morrow's aunt, and I followed her career with fascination. I had great respect for Sophia. I rather like what I see of Nina.

There have been players of which Baylor should not be so proud. Griner is not necessarily such a player. I think that she has been so injured by the lack of acceptance that she feels that she fought back instinctively. She should have been suspended for a good deal of time, probably a semester. But, Kim's handling of that and the hair-pulling incident was totally unacceptable, just as Budke's handling of the Riley situation. Both coaches showed a complete lack of understanding of a university and their role. Kim continues to see others as enemies without acknowledging that she is the one that makes them enemies. Who else would have fouled Courtney when she was out of bounds or told Wabara to elbow Courtney? That's not what you teach. The list of unacceptable teachings of Mulkey goes on and on. I don't see how you can take pride in it. If winning is that important, it can be done without Kim Mulkey.

 

[got mulk??]

Hi gm.

This post is a bit tongue in cheek so don't be offended. I for one appreciate your posts on this board and think you stay pretty balanced about events.

I appreciate your feeling about KM being the best choice since her team won the conference. The problem is that has never been the criteria. Bob Stoops won the conference in football time after time, but was coach of the year only a couple of those. And I do not recall any OU fans complaining about the years he did not. (There had to be some but I don't recall it). But the point is, he did not win it just because his team had the best record.

Sometimes the case for a claim can be shown to be weak by finding a counter example. Suppose one team plays UCONN 20 times and wins half. So they lose 10 times. Another university plays 20 high school teams and wins 17 of them. Would anyone make the case the 2nd coach was better than the first? You simply cannot use only the record to determine that. Probably the most critical factor is were they coaching players of the same caliber against about the same quality of competition? According to the same voters who selected COY, Baylor had the best player and 2 consensus 1st team members. OU had none.

I don't know who should have been COY and truthfully it doesn't matter. But there is no doubt Sherri had the hardest job. Others looking at the quality of her players said they were only good enough players to place 5th. She put them together and led them to 2nd place by 4 games ahead of 3rd. For goodness sakes, no OU player even won a single player of the week award during conference. Think about that. Not a single really outstanding player (according to the selectors) any week of the conference year - and yet her team finished 2nd by a landslide. Pretty impressive coaching I'd say.

Kim, on the other hand, was credited with the best players (pre-season) and was predicted to place 1st. She did, but even at that her team was struggling by the end of the regular season - a big surprise to most. Was it all her fault? Who knows? But the voters said her players were still the best in the league - so its pretty hard to put all the blame on them.

I'm not putting down what Sherri has done this year it really is outstanding. I'm just simply saying that Kim has done 1 better. We both have very young teams which required an elevated level of coaching and a true measure of that is the performance you get out of players. Niya Johnson leads the nation in APG and the improvement of Nina Davis from last year to this year is remarkable. Kim has a way of finding players that no one wants (Nina, Melissa Jones, and Sophia Young) and transforming them to elite athletes. That takes coaching especially when you only started playing basketball as a high school freshman in the case of Sophia.

Throw the non conference schedule aside and the even playing field is conference play. Even though OU did a great job finishing 2nd, we did 1 better.