Big 12 Expansion

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How does this effect basketball? I personally love home and away for BB. I would hate to go back to divisions

On a side note adding Memphis would be great for BB.


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Bball has zero say in it.

I like the double round robin as well.
 
I'll all for expansion. Preferably 4 teams, I think.

That said, from a bball stand point, most of the schools we are looking at have pretty darn good bball programs. Cincy. Memphis. UCONN. Those three teams would all be in the top half of the Big 12 in terms of history/potential, I think. And I think the Florida schools have potential, and BYU has a solid program as well.
 
I know this is the men's board, but Kim Mulkey would have a cow if we added UConn. :ez-laugh:
 
Bowlsby did say that they are looking at the option of football only expansion
 
I'll all for expansion. Preferably 4 teams, I think.

That said, from a bball stand point, most of the schools we are looking at have pretty darn good bball programs. Cincy. Memphis. UCONN. Those three teams would all be in the top half of the Big 12 in terms of history/potential, I think. And I think the Florida schools have potential, and BYU has a solid program as well.

I'm with you on the expansion. I have always liked the idea of adding two more members to bring the number back to twelve again. I'm just not sure about the best two options. Cincy and Memphis would give the conference more balance geographically, plus both schools usually have above average basketball and football programs. I have no idea if they would be competitive in the other sports?

I also like the Florida schools. BYU and UCONN would be good options, too, except they would create a wider geographical gap between members.
 
It's 2016. Teams travel all over the world. Getting to BYU for a BB game shouldn't create s hardship.


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OU needs to go to the B10 or SEC. It makes no sense to pick up weak teams and have to fly all over the country.
 
I'm with you on the expansion. I have always liked the idea of adding two more members to bring the number back to twelve again. I'm just not sure about the best two options. Cincy and Memphis would give the conference more balance geographically, plus both schools usually have above average basketball and football programs. I have no idea if they would be competitive in the other sports?

I also like the Florida schools. BYU and UCONN would be good options, too, except they would create a wider geographical gap between members.

The big problem that faces the TV revenue stream available to the B12 conference and TV revenue is a direct result of available TV sets as determined by conference footprint population base. Presently the population of the Power 5 conferences footprints are SEC 95.6 million, ACC 94.4 million, B1G 85.1 million, Pac 12 65.6 million and B12 39.2 million. In other words the B12 has between 41-60% of TV sets of the other Power 5 conferences. These numbers dictate the absence of interest in a B12 conference network.

Hence I would propose expanding to 14 teams adding Memphis, Cincinnati, Central Florida and South Florida. The addition of 38.5 million people to the B12 footprint population base would bring the B12 to 77.7 million people a 98.2% increase in TV sets which is what drives TV revenue and is much more in line with those of other Power 5 conferences and actually greater than the Pac 12. It would therefore ibe would reasonable to expect the networks would want a B12 TV network similar to that of the ACC provided of course that Texas/Longhorn network will work with the conference.

Additionally the addition of Ohio and Florida brings improved recruiting access to the existing schools in the B12 to the number 4 and number 2 states for 3/4/5-star recruits which should help the conferences top teams compete for the national championship. Incidentally Tennessee ranks as the 13th state in providing top high school recruits which is about 60% more than Oklahoma the number team in the present B12.

One of the difficulties adding 4 teams would bring is how to establish the divisions for conference play. An East/West division based on geography would result in a West division with a much stronger lineup of Texas, TCU, Baylor, Tech, OU, OSU, KSU and Kansas in the West. This would not make for good division balance.

Having Texas, Baylor, Tech, Cincy, WVU, Memphis and ISU in one division and OU, OSU, TCU, UCF, South Florida, KSU and Kansas in another would be a starting point for making the split.


http://www.sbnation.com/college-football-recruiting/2015/4/15/8143431/states-most-players-recruits



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FedEx likely comes with Memphis, which could be huge and worth millions.
 
OU needs to go to the B10 or SEC. It makes no sense to pick up weak teams and have to fly all over the country.

So instead, we Fly all over the country to play their weak teams?

Now SEC I can get behind
 
Just more teams to prop up in this doomed conference. Bringing in Houston will undercut our recruiting and won't bring any substantial benefit. The payouts and contracts for the other power 5 conferences will continue to increase while the Big 12 will struggle to keep up with the pace.

Time to make a move.
 
There is no more depressing subject for a Sooner fan than expanding the Big 12 Conference. There's isn't an institution the conference can bring in that will do anything other than dilute the overall product and subtract money from the Sooner war chest.

A one-loss OU team can get into the CFB playoff. If Baylor and TCU have a problem with that then they can go fly a kite. If OU drops from 3 to 4 in the rankings after a win then don't lose to a sorry-assed Texas team.

There is NOTHING in a ten-team Big 12 that prevents us from accomplishing our goals if we handle our business.

This whole mess is the goofiest issue I've ever tried to follow as a Sooner fan. I wish we'd just leave.

What's most infuriating is that this "expansion" will rob us of a true pleasure: the home and home hoops schedule.
 
There is no more depressing subject for a Sooner fan than expanding the Big 12 Conference. There's isn't an institution the conference can bring in that will do anything other than dilute the overall product and subtract money from the Sooner war chest.

A one-loss OU team can get into the CFB playoff. If Baylor and TCU have a problem with that then they can go fly a kite. If OU drops from 3 to 4 in the rankings after a win then don't lose to a sorry-assed Texas team.

There is NOTHING in a ten-team Big 12 that prevents us from accomplishing our goals if we handle our business.

This whole mess is the goofiest issue I've ever tried to follow as a Sooner fan. I wish we'd just leave.

What's most infuriating is that this "expansion" will rob us of a true pleasure: the home and home hoops schedule.

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There is no more depressing subject for a Sooner fan than expanding the Big 12 Conference. There's isn't an institution the conference can bring in that will do anything other than dilute the overall product and subtract money from the Sooner war chest.

A one-loss OU team can get into the CFB playoff. If Baylor and TCU have a problem with that then they can go fly a kite. If OU drops from 3 to 4 in the rankings after a win then don't lose to a sorry-assed Texas team.

There is NOTHING in a ten-team Big 12 that prevents us from accomplishing our goals if we handle our business.

This whole mess is the goofiest issue I've ever tried to follow as a Sooner fan. I wish we'd just leave.

What's most infuriating is that this "expansion" will rob us of a true pleasure: the home and home hoops schedule.

I agree with every word you've written. For me, by far the least appealing college-sports topic to crop up in recent years is conference realignment and expansion. I hate the giant conferences with a passion, and the last thing I want to see is any of them getting bigger.

And yeah, I too want OU to play every damn conference team twice in basketball and once in football. Anything that makes that impossible, I'm adamantly against.
 
Saw on ESPN that the Big 12 coaches voted for Houston and BYU.
 
I agree with every word you've written. For me, by far the least appealing college-sports topic to crop up in recent years is conference realignment and expansion. I hate the giant conferences with a passion, and the last thing I want to see is any of them getting bigger.

And yeah, I too want OU to play every damn conference team twice in basketball and once in football. Anything that makes that impossible, I'm adamantly against.

Agreed 1000%. But it's all about money so nothing else matters.
 
OU will not "lose" money if the Big 12 expands. Seems to be a huge misconception amongst fans. We may not reach Big 10/SEC levels of income, but we will make more money after expansion.
 
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