Castiglione working to save Big 12

[OUHoops]

http://www.newsok.com/ous-joe-castiglione-working-to-save-big-12/article/3467810

 

[NickZepp]

It just won't work. The only teams you could add would mean splitting OU and Texas from being in the same division. If Nebraska weren't leaving the Big 12 could survive.

 

[thebigabd]

North Division: OU, OSU, Kansas, Kansas State, Missouri, Iowa State
South Division: Texas, Texas Tech, Texas A&M, Baylor, TCU, Houston

 

[One More Rebound]

North Division: OU, OSU, Kansas, Kansas State, Missouri, Iowa State
South Division: Texas, Texas Tech, Texas A&M, Baylor, TCU, Houston

OU would looooove that breakdown in football-pencil them in for The Big 12 title game every year...

 

[campbest]

Screw that....face it Joe C, the conference is dead.

 

[25mob]

Houston joining the conference, could awaken a sleeping giant. Coach Sumlin and his staff are already doing a great job recruiting now in c-usa, just imagine what they would be able to do being a member of a BCS conference. Their recruiting base is so fertile and they could dip into East Texas and West La. for players.

This could be trouble for a&m and even have a ripple effect on Texas.

 

[NickZepp]

That conference would be a joke and OU/Texas would end up playing each other twice most years. OU and Texas are going to be in the same division no matter what happens. OU/OSU/A&M/Texas are going to leave the Big 12. Probably with Tech if the PAC 10 is the destination.

 

[Seymore Cox]

Houston, Boise, or Arkansas.

 

[stoops4pres]

Houston, Boise, or Arkansas.

Arkansas isn't going to leave.

 

[r2b1]

"Castiglione working to save Big 12"....

At this point, Isn't that like rearranging the ballroom chairs on the Titanic?

 

[seniorsooner]

Boise has officially joined the MWC as of today.

I just don't see any way this can work. In really the only sport that counts in all of this, football, we have lost one of the top 3 "brands" in the conference and there's no one else that is even close. I don't see a school out there that we could add to make up for that loss.

 

[r2b1]

Yeah - when the bugeaters announce their exit from the Big 12, it's over. They were the shining star of the North - even given their decline in recent years. We could handle the loss of Colorado alone....

 

[Cheno]

North Division: OU, OSU, Kansas, Kansas State, Missouri, Iowa State
South Division: Texas, Texas Tech, Texas A&M, Baylor, TCU, Houston

That would be a good conference and keep the traditions and history together. I like it.

 

[Soonercuda]

Population wise the Big 12 is just too small to get big enough network and cable TV deals (football primarily). Population total by conference of all states in each conference (assumes Nebraska to Big 10):

Big 12 - 38.7 million
SEC - 56.6 million
Big 10 - 68.6 million
Pac 10 - 57.5 million

Just not enough people in the Big 12 primary market for it to compete with the other Big conferences. We need to get ourselves in the SEC or Pac 10 while we can.

 

[sybarite]

The conference is badly in need of a living will that enables Joe C to pull the plug. It's dead. It won't be revived.

 

[NickZepp]

Population wise the Big 12 is just too small to get big enough network and cable TV deals (football primarily). Population total by conference of all states in each conference (assumes Nebraska to Big 10):

Big 12 - 38.7 million
SEC - 56.6 million
Big 10 - 68.6 million
Pac 10 - 57.5 million

Just not enough people in the Big 12 primary market for it to compete with the other Big conferences. We need to get ourselves in the SEC or Pac 10 while we can.

If you want to throw more population in you put Memphis BYU, and maybe Houston. That's still not enough though. Any Big 12 talk would be missing something huge in the North a power. And you will NEVER see OU and Texas split from the same division. Like it or not the Big 12 is dead. This talk about saving the Big 12 by Deloss Dodds and Joe C. is just talk.

 

[cowboysooner]

This might save the conference:

North: BYU, Utah, Iowa State, Kansas, Kansas State, Notre Dame, Cinncinati and Missouri (or if we can't get Dommers, then add UNLV -- just for the away trip possibilities)

South: Same schools as now and add Ariz and Ariz state

Or just add BYU and Utah to replace Colo and Nebbish and stay 12 teams

Or get real ambitious, try and see if LSU, ARK, Utah and BYU will join -- we move OU or OSU to the north.

Or Lets add Florida State, MIami and/or North Carolina to the South Division (they are all in suck conferences and would jump in), and Cinn, Utah, Memphis and BYU to the north

or we merge the Big 12 (now 10) with the Pac 10, add UNLV and Utah and call it the BIg 22

Or -- heck, just let it all go to heck and lets all be independents.

 

[Cheno]

Just not enough people in the Big 12 primary market for it to compete with the other Big conferences. We need to get ourselves in the SEC or Pac 10 while we can.

To compete in what? The Big 12 just had a year in basketball where it was arguably the best conference. Football with OU & Texas leading the way speaks for itself.
I don't see why by adding TCU and Houston to replace Colorado and Nebraska it wouldn't be a great conference.

 

[Soonercuda]

To compete in what? The Big 12 just had a year in basketball where it was arguably the best conference. Football with OU & Texas leading the way speaks for itself.
I don't see why by adding TCU and Houston to replace Colorado and Nebraska it wouldn't be a great conference.

Cheno...this is about business, not about competition on the field/court. The Big 12 can't get a TV contract/Cable TV Network profit that is competitive with the SEC/Big 10/Pac10. If OU stays in the Big 12 we are costing ourselves something in the neighborhood of $10 million per year...and 10 years from now it will be a bigger delta on revenue. Strategically it is time to go to the SEC or Pac10 NOW!!!

Eventually the revenue difference does start to impact your competitiveness on the field/court. So there is a long-term strategic need to join with a major conference player.

 

[Cheno]

Cheno...this is about business, not about competition on the field/court. The Big 12 can't get a TV contract/Cable TV Network profit that is competitive with the SEC/Big 10/Pac10. If OU stays in the Big 12 we are costing ourselves something in the neighborhood of $10 million per year...and 10 years from now it will be a bigger delta on revenue. Strategically it is time to go to the SEC or Pac10 NOW!!!

Eventually the revenue difference does start to impact your competitiveness on the field/court. So there is a long-term strategic need to join with a major conference player.

Not if you renegotiate the Big 12 TV package and create a Big 12 network like the Big 10 has done. Add TCU, Houston to get back to 12 then maybe even look at 4 more teams to get to 16. That conference would be better than anything the Pac-16 could put together without raiding the Big 12.
Right now Texas and OU both have bigger athletic budgets than any Pac-10 school. Texas budget is $10 million more than any other athletic department in the country right now.