Clippers summer league

[steverocks35]

A dismal outing for the Clippers on Tuesday against the Rockets.

M'Baye went 0-for-6, 3-of-4 at the line, with three rebounds in 18 minutes. Cam Clark went 2-for-6 (4 points) with one rebound in 15 minutes.

Ouch, he doesn't have that much of a margin for error, has to be more consistent if he wants to make the squad.

 

[skyvue]

The whole team stunk yesterday. The Clips' top scorer had nine points.

 

[snydrosooner]

Anyone know why the thunder plays in Orlando only? I see Miami plays in Orlando and Las Vegas, I think Houston and Phili to. Any specific reason that thunder to not play both or choose to play in Orlando instead of Las vegas?

 

[campbest]

Anyone know why the thunder plays in Orlando only? I see Miami plays in Orlando and Las Vegas, I think Houston and Phili to. Any specific reason that thunder to not play both or choose to play in Orlando instead of Las vegas?

So the world doesn't have to watch Josh Heustis play again.

 

[SoonerBounce13]

So the world doesn't have to watch Josh Heustis play again.

I highly doubt he ever contributes to the THunder but I'm not going to give up on him yet. His last game was pretty good. He will be the player that if he hits shots, he is valuable. If not, he isn't

 

[Smash Williams]

There's probably a better chance of M'Baye catching on with another NBA team than with the Clippers.

Without getting too technical with NBA cap jargon, the Clippers are basically $2 million below a hard cap right now. They could get more breathing room later on by executing trades in which outgoing salary exceeds incoming salary, but right now they're in a tough spot. Add to that, Doc Rivers loves washed up vets, so he'll probably save a little room for a midseason buyout candidate.

Maybe he gets a non-guaranteed deal with the Clips, but as far as sticking with the team goes, their cap situation makes it difficult.

 

[Smash Williams]

So the world doesn't have to watch Josh Heustis play again.

I've given serious thought to whether I want to continue to live in a world in which Huestis and every other young wing prospect with a shaky jumper gets compared to (and compares themselves to) Kawhi Leonard for the next decade.

 

[sperry]

The Huestis pick was really bad. Maybe he'll contribute some day, but they could have easily gotten him in the second round for nothing. You can usually pick up a late 2nd for "cash considerations". As with Roberson last year, I think Presti has scared himself into thinking that if he likes a guy, the Spurs must like him too, and so he has to snatch them up before they draft him instead of getting the guy in the 2nd.

 

[campbest]

I highly doubt he ever contributes to the THunder but I'm not going to give up on him yet. His last game was pretty good. He will be the player that if he hits shots, he is valuable. If not, he isn't

You don't burn a first rounder on Josh Heustis...no excuse for that.

Not with guys like KJ McDaniels still on the board. At least trade the pick for something or stash a guy overseas.

 

[campbest]

I've given serious thought to whether I want to continue to live in a world in which Huestis and every other young wing prospect with a shaky jumper gets compared to (and compares themselves to) Kawhi Leonard for the next decade.

Kawhi Leonard had a shaky jumpers at SDSU, but he was still the best player in the conference on a really good team.

Huestis' measurements are great, but you still have to play basketball at some point.

 

[Section31]

Kawhi Leonard had a shaky jumpers at SDSU, but he was still the best player in the conference on a really good team.

Huestis' measurements are great, but you still have to play basketball at some point.

Let's also not forget Russ wasn't exactly an offensive juggernaut.

 

[campbest]

Let's also not forget Russ wasn't exactly an offensive juggernaut.

He wasn't a juggernaut, but played on a loaded team where scoring wouldn't be needed on a night to night basis.

OKC is hoping he develops a corner-3, which could happen. However, not only is his shot very inconsistent now (34% last year on FGA/game) but he statistically shoots better on the dribble over a catch-and-shoot position, according to DraftExpress.

I don't see it panning out, but been wrong before. If they wanted to burn a second rounder on him, by all means. Just think someone like McDaniels offers more.

 

[Smash Williams]

Let's also not forget Russ wasn't exactly an offensive juggernaut.

Westbrook?

He was a two-year college player on teams that featured multiple future NBA guys, and he was also a year younger than the rest of his class (he was only 19 years old when he played his first NBA game). Huge difference between a 19-year-old sophomore that's rough around the edges, compared to a 22-year-old senior. The latter should be dominating younger competition.

Obviously Huestis doesn't need to do nearly as much, though. He needs to develop a reliable outside shot, but that's a tall task for a guy who wasn't even a good FT shooter in college.

 

[Section31]

I wasn't comparing his potential to Westbrook, but just his offensive skills when drafted. NO ONE would've have predicted Westbrook to ever have a consistent jumper. It was flat out ugly for the first 2 years he was in the league. He's still not polished, but he's light years ahead of where most thought it would be.

 

[steverocks35]

I wasn't comparing his potential to Westbrook, but just his offensive skills when drafted. NO ONE would've have predicted Westbrook to ever have a consistent jumper. It was flat out ugly for the first 2 years he was in the league. He's still not polished, but he's light years ahead of where most thought it would be.

Yep, and remember how much flack Presti took for the Westbrook pick? Most people thought it was a reach. I don't remember who went ahead of Westbrook but I guarantee you he would move up in a redraft. It was really an inspired pick.



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[Smash Williams]

I wasn't comparing his potential to Westbrook, but just his offensive skills when drafted. NO ONE would've have predicted Westbrook to ever have a consistent jumper. It was flat out ugly for the first 2 years he was in the league. He's still not polished, but he's light years ahead of where most thought it would be.

I didn't interpret it as you comparing Westbrook's potential to Huestis' (and I don't think campbest was either), but even if you're just comparing specific skills, it still goes back to the issue of comparing players at different ages.

Westbrook converted college 3s at a higher clip (35.4%) in his first two seasons at UCLA (at ages 18 and 19) than Huestis did his last two seasons at Stanford (33.8%, at ages 21 and 22).

At age 22: Westbrook hit 33.0% of his NBA 3s; Huestis hit 33.8% of his college 3s.

Westbrook isn't a terrible shooter now: his percentages are deflated by volume and sometimes questionable shot selection. However, if I'm drafting a wing with the hope of turning him into a 3-and-D guy, I'm not thinking, "I hope he learns to shoot it as well as Westbrook." I suppose he could learn to nail elbow jumpers like Westbrook--which might be useful if he were a 6'10" pick-and-pop big like Serge Ibaka--but that's not exactly the type of spacing you're hoping for from a wing.

 

[Smash Williams]

Yep, and remember how much flack Presti took for the Westbrook pick? Most people thought it was a reach. I don't remember who went ahead of Westbrook but I guarantee you he would move up in a redraft. It was really an inspired pick.



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Remember how much flack Presti took for the Cole Aldrich and BJ Mullens picks?

I wasn't a fan of the Huestis pick, but I didn't think it was big deal. Most players drafted at that point don't pan out anyhow.

Presti has a really good draft record, so I tend to give him the benefit of the doubt, but he's not perfect.

 

[playmakr]

Yep, and remember how much flack Presti took for the Westbrook pick? Most people thought it was a reach. I don't remember who went ahead of Westbrook but I guarantee you he would move up in a redraft. It was really an inspired pick.



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1. Rose
2. Beasley
3. Mayo
4. Westbrook
5. Love
24. Ibaka

 

[Section31]

I didn't interpret it as you comparing Westbrook's potential to Huestis' (and I don't think campbest was either), but even if you're just comparing specific skills, it still goes back to the issue of comparing players at different ages.

Westbrook converted college 3s at a higher clip (35.4%) in his first two seasons at UCLA (at ages 18 and 19) than Huestis did his last two seasons at Stanford (33.8%, at ages 21 and 22).

At age 22: Westbrook hit 33.0% of his NBA 3s; Huestis hit 33.8% of his college 3s.

Westbrook isn't a terrible shooter now: his percentages are deflated by volume and sometimes questionable shot selection. However, if I'm drafting a wing with the hope of turning him into a 3-and-D guy, I'm not thinking, "I hope he learns to shoot it as well as Westbrook." I suppose he could learn to nail elbow jumpers like Westbrook--which might be useful if he were a 6'10" pick-and-pop big like Serge Ibaka--but that's not exactly the type of spacing you're hoping for from a wing.

The point is, they play different positions and we don't know WHAT Presti has in mind for Huestis yet. He wasn't taken in the first 5 picks of the draft, so maybe his plan is to fill a niche.

 

[steverocks35]

1. Rose
2. Beasley
3. Mayo
4. Westbrook
5. Love
24. Ibaka

With what we know now, Westbrook and Love would be battling it out for the #1 pick with Rose's injury history. Beasley at #2 and Mayo at #3 is pretty hilarious in retrospect.