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Cam and Amath each had 12 points and three rebounds against the Heat tonight, in 22 and 27 minutes of action, respectively.

M'Baye went 6-for-10 (0-2 from three) with a steal, three assists, three turnovers and four fouls; Cam was 6-of-11, all from inside the arc.
 
it's going to be hard to convince me that they couldnt have wrapped those picks together and came out with Gary Harris.
 
Cam and Amath each had 12 points and three rebounds against the Heat tonight, in 22 and 27 minutes of action, respectively.

M'Baye went 6-for-10 (0-2 from three) with a steal, three assists, three turnovers and four fouls; Cam was 6-of-11, all from inside the arc.

Good to see Cam put some points up.
 
With what we know now, Westbrook and Love would be battling it out for the #1 pick with Rose's injury history. Beasley at #2 and Mayo at #3 is pretty hilarious in retrospect.
Yea I think it would go

1. Love
2. RW
3. Rose
4. Ibaka
5. Dragic

Then you have guys like Deondre Jordan, Pekovic, Hibbert, Brooke Lopez, Asik, Eric Gordon, Gallinari, Robin Lopez, JJ Hickson, Ryan Anderson, Batum in there as well.

Jordan might go 5 actually, he can dominate a game athletically
 
Remember how much flack Presti took for the Cole Aldrich and BJ Mullens picks?

I wasn't a fan of the Huestis pick, but I didn't think it was big deal. Most players drafted at that point don't pan out anyhow.

Presti has a really good draft record, so I tend to give him the benefit of the doubt, but he's not perfect.

I agree with Aldrich but not Mullens. We got Mullens late. Not too mention, Dallas drafted him and we traded to get him. The only 2 bigs that were left to draft was him and Taj Gibson.

The pick I have a problem with is taking Adams at 12 when we could have gotten Mason Plumlee. Adams averaged 7ppg and 6rpg in college. Thats not a lottery pick.
 
Yea I think it would go

1. Love
2. RW
3. Rose
4. Ibaka
5. Dragic

Then you have guys like Deondre Jordan, Pekovic, Hibbert, Brooke Lopez, Asik, Eric Gordon, Gallinari, Robin Lopez, JJ Hickson, Ryan Anderson, Batum in there as well.

Jordan might go 5 actually, he can dominate a game athletically

I disagree...Just 2 years ago...Rose would have been #1. He hasn't been a bust. Not too mention...He's the only one who has been MVP
 
The point is, they play different positions and we don't know WHAT Presti has in mind for Huestis yet. He wasn't taken in the first 5 picks of the draft, so maybe his plan is to fill a niche.
I thought the point was that his shooting could improve. From that aspect, I don't understand why playing different positions is especially relevant, otherwise why would you have mentioned Westbrook in the first place?

How do we not know what Presti has in mind for Huestis? Is it really going out on a limb to suggest that he expects him to be a really good wing defender who can hopefully knock down some shots? He's expected to be a role player, "fill a niche," whatever you want to call it--and there's nothing wrong with that. If you get a quality role player late in the first round, that's a win. No one, whether they like the pick or not, should expect a late first rounder to develop into something more than that.

If people love the Huestis pick, that's fine. I wasn't adamantly opposed to it, but I am a bit skeptical. He could very well develop into a decent role player. However, I take issue with the justification for the pick. The support for this pick seems almost solely driven by the fact that Sam Presti made it. If anyone other than the Thunder or Spurs picked Huestis in the first, would OKC fans think it was a smart pick? You could put a rumor out there in June that Presti was thinking about taking Tyler Neal in the first round, and there would be Thunder fans talking themselves into how it makes sense solely because Presti likes him.
 
it's going to be hard to convince me that they couldnt have wrapped those picks together and came out with Gary Harris.
Huge problem with that is that they promised to take McGary at #21. You can't trade away that pick to move up for someone else.
 
I agree with Aldrich but not Mullens. We got Mullens late. Not too mention, Dallas drafted him and we traded to get him. The only 2 bigs that were left to draft was him and Taj Gibson.

The pick I have a problem with is taking Adams at 12 when we could have gotten Mason Plumlee. Adams averaged 7ppg and 6rpg in college. Thats not a lottery pick.
I have no problem with the Mullens pick. He was a 7-footer with raw talent and skill. It's easy to see why he dropped, but it also made a lot of sense to take a flier on him. I don't dock Presti for Mullens not turning into a rotation player for OKC. As I said earlier in this thread, most players drafted in the late first don't point don't pan out anyhow. My point was that not every Presti pick is destined to be successful, especially at that point in the draft.

The Dallas aspect of that is completely irrelevant. OKC and Dallas agreed to swap their picks beforehand. It wasn't as if Dallas took Mullens at #24 for themselves, with OKC taking Beaubois for themselves at #25, followed by Dallas saying, "We're having instant buyer's remorse about Mullens. We like the guy you drafted better. Let's trade." Essentially, OKC traded up one draft spot.


Plumlee wasn't exactly an obvious choice at #12. He dropped to #22 for a reason: he was already 23 years old. It's not as if he was dominating for all four years. You have to be skeptical about a player's ceiling when he doesn't produce at a high level until he's older than everyone else. You're comparing him to a one-year player who's three years younger. Andre Drummond--drafted a year earlier--didn't put up huge numbers as a freshman either, with similar per-minute numbers to Adams. DeAndre Jordan dropped to the second round in 2008 largely because putting up 8 and 6 as a freshman wasn't impressive, but he'd be a lottery pick if NBA GMs could re-do that draft. You draft younger players based on what you can see them becoming, not simply what they already are.
 
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I thought the point was that his shooting could improve. From that aspect, I don't understand why playing different positions is especially relevant, otherwise why would you have mentioned Westbrook in the first place?

How do we not know what Presti has in mind for Huestis? Is it really going out on a limb to suggest that he expects him to be a really good wing defender who can hopefully knock down some shots? He's expected to be a role player, "fill a niche," whatever you want to call it--and there's nothing wrong with that. If you get a quality role player late in the first round, that's a win. No one, whether they like the pick or not, should expect a late first rounder to develop into something more than that.

If people love the Huestis pick, that's fine. I wasn't adamantly opposed to it, but I am a bit skeptical. He could very well develop into a decent role player. However, I take issue with the justification for the pick. The support for this pick seems almost solely driven by the fact that Sam Presti made it. If anyone other than the Thunder or Spurs picked Huestis in the first, would OKC fans think it was a smart pick? You could put a rumor out there in June that Presti was thinking about taking Tyler Neal in the first round, and there would be Thunder fans talking themselves into how it makes sense solely because Presti likes him.

I feel similar to you, but just pointed out that we could be wrong. Just seems silly to put a ton of thought into a guy that was intended to be a reach albeit a guy with pretty nice measurables. I only used RW as an example of getting more than was expected based off of college experience.
 
I agree with Aldrich but not Mullens. We got Mullens late. Not too mention, Dallas drafted him and we traded to get him. The only 2 bigs that were left to draft was him and Taj Gibson.

The pick I have a problem with is taking Adams at 12 when we could have gotten Mason Plumlee. Adams averaged 7ppg and 6rpg in college. Thats not a lottery pick.

the thunder (and lots of other nba teams) would rather have adams going forward ..
 
Thread was originally about a couple of former OU players playing summer league ball. It wound up being an entirely different discussion. Guess we should have an NBA Hoops forum on OUHoops. Oh, wait…
 
Thread was originally about a couple of former OU players playing summer league ball. It wound up being an entirely different discussion. Guess we should have an NBA Hoops forum on OUHoops. Oh, wait…

To get us back on topic, Last night both Amath and Cam had 12 points.

Amath on 6-10 shooting 0-2 from the 3, 3 boards, 3 dimes, 1 steal, 4 TO, 1 foul

Cam on 6-11 shooting, 3 boards, 1 foul

Neither took a free throw and Cam did not take a three.

Amath and Liggins played the most minutes at 27 Cam was next with 22
 
Wait someone really just said they wished they could have a Plumlee over Stephen Adams? lol.
 
Thread was originally about a couple of former OU players playing summer league ball. It wound up being an entirely different discussion. Guess we should have an NBA Hoops forum on OUHoops. Oh, wait…


That's how conversations work.
 
the thunder (and lots of other nba teams) would rather have adams going forward ..

obviously...the Thunder drafted him. i do think he has a lot of upside though. And its great if Durant and Westbrook stay here long term. But I would have rather had a 17 and 10 guy and one of the best college players come in and join them right away. Especially since this team already has a non scoring threat in Perkins.

Plumlee was one of the top 5 performers in summer league...Adams wasn't even close.
 
Wait someone really just said they wished they could have a Plumlee over Stephen Adams? lol.

Plumlee leaves college as a 1st team all-american. Enters the NBA and was on the 1st team all rookie team and in the summer league he tore it up and you think its funny?
 
OK, I can see wanting Plumlee after college over Adams. But after this season played out who would your rather have? Also I think what the bring is different to the table. Adams brings more defense then Plumlee, Plumlee brings more Offence the Adams. What did the Thunder need more, can be argued but I would say defense.

You also got to figure that a 4 year player like Plumlee does not have a whole lot more upside. Adams still has a long way to go before he has reached his potential and the Thunder can groom him the way the want.

And lets not forget that the Thunder were not planning on Adams being the backup last year. They expected him to be in Tulsa.
 
OK, I can see wanting Plumlee after college over Adams. But after this season played out who would your rather have?

My choices are between the guy that averaged 3.3 points on 50% shooting and 4.1 boards, and the guy who averaged 7.4 points on 66% shooting and 4.4 boards and had more blocks, and steals, and assists? Probably the second one.
 
My choices are between the guy that averaged 3.3 points on 50% shooting and 4.1 boards, and the guy who averaged 7.4 points on 66% shooting and 4.4 boards and had more blocks, and steals, and assists? Probably the second one.

Yep. I can see the potential of Adams but right now Plumlee is a better player.
 
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