Do you think this is killing Joe C inside?

[OUhoops11]

What we do know is Blake would have never considered OU if Taylor were not here. That is an irrefutable fact. No way those 2 boys play on different teams as they always wanted to play together.

Who was coach is irrelevant because of this fact.

Ok. What I'm saying is, had Sampson stayed at OU instead of taking the IU job, there's a strong possibility that Taylor would not have remained at OU. Certainly, if Sampson had stayed at OU through Blake's recruiting, Blake would not have considered OU.

 

[Big Old Booger]

Actually Capel has made the NCAA tournament 3 times. Once at VCU and twice at OU. All this before his 35th birthday. Capel has already won 4 NCAA games at OU. It took Sampson EIGHT years to win 4 NCAA games. Capel not been knocked out of the NCAA by the likes of Manhattan, Indiana St, etc.

The "can't win without Blake" argument is flat out stupid. Are the same people using this logic saying Sampson can't win without Hollis Price? Because outside of fluke cinderella run as a 13 seed he never did.

Who cares what he did at VCU as it has no bearing on what he's done to the OU program.

The team that lost to Manhattan wasn't as talented as last years team or the team Capel had his first season in Norman. It had Minor, who was better than anybody on the team in 2007, but the team as a whole wasn't as good.

The loss to Indiana State was expected considering the injury to Hollis Price and other injuries in that game. Other than those 2 losses, his other first round losses were to higher seeded and better teams.

Besides, Sampson proved he didn't need Hollis to advance to postseason play as whereas Capel has not proved he can advance to postseason play without Blake.

 

[buttermaker1]

Actually Capel has made the NCAA tournament 3 times. Once at VCU and twice at OU. All this before his 35th birthday. Capel has already won 4 NCAA games at OU. It took Sampson EIGHT years to win 4 NCAA games. Capel not been knocked out of the NCAA by the likes of Manhattan, Indiana St, etc.

The "can't win without Blake" argument is flat out stupid. Are the same people using this logic saying Sampson can't win without Hollis Price? Because outside of fluke cinderella run as a 13 seed he never did.

LOL he can win without Blake at home against D-2 teams and non-conference cash games prior to conference play. Bocabull you represent yourself as Oklahoma's of Gordon Gecko, I would assume you can read a coach's win vs lose record. Good Grief.

 

[okcsooner83]

Sampson never had two losing seasons at OU. I would rather make the tournament and get beat early then not make the tourney. OU is not competitive right now, they are one of the worst teams in the big 12 conference.

 

[seniorsooner]

I would rather make the tournament and get beat early then not make the tourney.

I think just about anyone with a brain would also.

 

[SoonerTraveler]

Considering we lost by 30 to Louisville in the 2nd round, it's excusable if some of us forget we actually played in the NCAA that year.

A team from a power conference should never lose by 30 in the tournament. Period.

Thank you. I had forgotten that.

But, at least, OU was the lower seeded team.

 

[Big Old Booger]

Ok. What I'm saying is, had Sampson stayed at OU instead of taking the IU job, there's a strong possibility that Taylor would not have remained at OU. Certainly, if Sampson had stayed at OU through Blake's recruiting, Blake would not have considered OU.

You can say that but it's not fact. It's all hearsay.

Who's to say Taylor would have definitely transferred? Who's to say Blake wouldn't have ended up coming to OU to play with his brother? Don't you think mom and dad would have preferred both boys to play close to home so they could attend every game?

The only fact in the whole Blake and Taylor argument is that Blake would have never considered OU if Taylor hadn't been here before. It was a known fact both boys wanted to play college together and that's a reason why Sampson recruited Taylor. He knew if he didn't get Taylor he had no chance at getting Blake.

 

[OUhoops11]

You can say that but it's not fact. It's all hearsay.

Who's to say Taylor would have definitely transferred? Who's to say Blake wouldn't have ended up coming to OU to play with his brother? Don't you think mom and dad would have preferred both boys to play close to home so they could attend every game?

The only fact in the whole Blake and Taylor argument is that Blake would have never considered OU if Taylor hadn't been here before. It was a known fact both boys wanted to play college together and that's a reason why Sampson recruited Taylor. He knew if he didn't get Taylor he had no chance at getting Blake.

I know what I know. I'm obviously not going to convince you, because it would somehow affect your argument. So you can take it or leave it, that's your choice.

 

[OUhoops11]

The recruiting ground for Blake Griffin’s college decision came at the family dinner table one night in April 2006. Taylor had returned home from Norman, Okla., and soon after the family finished their pre-meal prayer, Taylor quizzed his younger brother about his college future.

He then raved about the direction of the Sooners’ program under the newly hired coach Jeff Capel and the benefits of staying close to home.

“I think if you want to, Oklahoma would be a great place for you to be,” Taylor told Blake. “I’d love to get the chance to play with you again.”

Shortly after replacing the former Oklahoma coach Kelvin Sampson and before Blake’s commitment, Capel had a conversation with Taylor while watching Blake play at an A.A.U. basketball tournament in Dallas.

“You know that Blake almost committed here last year?” Taylor asked, according to Capel.

“Really?” Capel said.

“Yeah, but I kind of talked him out of it,” Taylor said. “I wasn’t sure if I was going to come back.”

Taylor said he did not know if he would still be playing for the Sooners if Sampson had stayed. Even when Sampson left for Indiana after his freshman season, Taylor was unsure of his future.

“I was going to stick around at least for that next year and see how things went and everything,” Taylor said of his sophomore season.

Taylor did not end up having to wait until his sophomore season to know he would finish his career at Oklahoma. He quickly became enamored with Capel, and less than a month after meeting him he made the dinner pitch to Blake about Oklahoma.

 

[Big Old Booger]

I know what I know. I'm obviously not going to convince you, because it would somehow affect your argument. So you can take it or leave it, that's your choice.

I don't deal with probablilities, I deal with facts.

As the article stated, which you posted an excerpt of, Blake was ready to commit to OU and then Taylor talked him out of it because he wasn't sure he was going to "come back". Who's to say he wouldn't have come back? Maybe if Sampson stays, Taylor comes back and has a bigger role in the team and is so happy he convinces Blake to sign with OU. Nobody knows how that turns out because it's all probability.

The fact is, Taylor was recruited to OU and signed with OU and had this not happened, Blake would never have even considered an offer from OU. That is a fact and nothing you can say or post will change it.

 

[OUhoops11]

I don't deal with probablilities, I deal with facts.

As the article stated, which you posted an excerpt of, Blake was ready to commit to OU and then Taylor talked him out of it because he wasn't sure he was going to "come back". Who's to say he wouldn't have come back? Maybe if Sampson stays, Taylor comes back and has a bigger role in the team and is so happy he convinces Blake to sign with OU. Nobody knows how that turns out because it's all probability.

The fact is, Taylor was recruited to OU and signed with OU and had this not happened, Blake would never have even considered an offer from OU. That is a fact and nothing you can say or post will change it.

I love how your posts are facts and mine are just probabilities. It's cool, carry on with your "facts".

 

[Big Old Booger]

I love how your posts are facts and mine are just probabilities. It's cool, carry on with your "facts".

Previously, you posted this:

What we don't know is if Sampson had not left, whether Taylor would have remained at OU.

This is a probability.

Then, you said this:

What I'm saying is, had Sampson stayed at OU instead of taking the IU job, there's a strong possibility that Taylor would not have remained at OU.

This is also a probability and you quantify that by using the term "possibility" in the sentence.

I stated this:

What we do know is Blake would have never considered OU if Taylor were not here. That is an irrefutable fact. No way those 2 boys play on different teams as they always wanted to play together.

This is a fact.

 

[OUhoops11]

Ok man, keep preaching the facts (ie, your formulated opinions that support the anti-Capel sentiment).

 

[bocabull]

Hoops, we both have better things to do with our time than to engage in a conversation with a guy named big old booger.

 

[MercedeSooner]

these boards are insufferable after a loss. I'm no sunshine pumper either but for god sakes after a win there are 2 new threads in a week, after a loss seems like there are 1000 more people around.

 

[SoonerBabyy]

these boards are insufferable after a loss. I'm no sunshine pumper either but for god sakes after a win there are 2 new threads in a week, after a loss seems like there are 1000 more people around.

--this. i however am a sunshine pumper! haha

 

[Sooner04]

The "can't win without Blake" argument is flat out stupid. Are the same people using this logic saying Sampson can't win without Hollis Price? Because outside of fluke cinderella run as a 13 seed he never did.

Problem is that, at Oklahoma, Capel has failed to do that. Without Blake, Capel is under .500. That's horrific at a place like Oklahoma.

Sampson won without Hollis Price. He won 20 games every year but two without him. He made the NCAA Tournament every year but one without him. He won a Big 12 title without him.

 

[bocabull]

Problem is that, at Oklahoma, Capel has failed to do that. Without Blake, Capel is under .500. That's horrific at a place like Oklahoma.

Sampson won without Hollis Price. He won 20 games every year but two without him. He made the NCAA Tournament every year but one without him. He won a Big 12 title without him.

Yeah the Big 12 when Texas A&M, Baylor, Kansas State & Missouri were 5 or 6 guaranteed wins. Turn that into 2 or 3 wins which is all it would have been if they weren't all down and where were we? That's why we were constantly upset by worse seeds. The Big XII was horrific.

And Capel just started life without Blake 1 season ago. Started it with 3 McDonalds AAs who did not work out. and is not back to the drawing board. He will fix it. No problem.

 

[seniorsooner]

Yeah the Big 12 when Texas A&M, Baylor, Kansas State & Missouri were 5 or 6 guaranteed wins. Turn that into 2 or 3 wins which is all it would have been if they weren't all down and where were we? That's why we were constantly upset by worse seeds. The Big XII was horrific.

And Capel just started life without Blake 1 season ago. Started it with 3 McDonalds AAs who did not work out. and is not back to the drawing board. He will fix it. No problem.

So we're supposed to sit back and accept mediocrity simply because the conference is better? No thanks. Our expectation should be to finish in the top half of the league every single year, period. It concerns me greatly to think about the programs you mentioned above getting better while ours gets worse. That's not good.

 

[NickZepp]

I don't think expectations should be where they are at now or will be next year. We have Osby or whatever his name is coming in at post but honestly our post game isn't our weakness. We have no real guards. Cade Davis is okay. But that's really about it at guard. Next year we won't even have him. I don't see us being nearly as good as we are this year because we won't have any good guard play if we keep the same guys and they've played like they have. My expectations for next year are more losses than this year.