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jackson_supersooner said:
Some people can't be realistic about their own team. They think every recruit is the best and every season is going to be a sweet 16 atleast. They can't be objective. They can't get past their Crimson colored glasses. So they automatically think people are tearing down the team if they give a realistic OPINION of what they think will happen next year.

Honestly. The way I see it is if we get 20 wins and finish 10-8 or 9-9 in conference that will be a success. And of course in hoping for a tourney bid.

We just finished with a 12-6 record in conference so to think we will bring back a team that can do anything more then that in the best conference in the country and when we do lose 80% of our scoring is really just being unrealistic. Next year is a rebuilding year and there's nothing wrong with that. We aren't Kansas and "reload" that's what OU football does. Maybe one day we will be on that level. But for now we are a notch below that. Again. This is just MY opinion.
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you have to remember we aren't the only team losing players. KU loses a lot but they always reload. Iowa State loses a lot, Texas loses a lot, Baylor loses a lot, WV lost key players, etc. So, we could be 12-6 or even 13-5 next year if the conference isn't as good which is entirely possible but I think 10-11 wins is more realistic.
 
Big Old Booger said:
you have to remember we aren't the only team losing players. KU loses a lot but they always reload. Iowa State loses a lot, Texas loses a lot, Baylor loses a lot, WV lost key players, etc. So, we could be 12-6 or even 13-5 next year if the conference isn't as good which is entirely possible but I think 10-11 wins is more realistic.
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No I do agree. I just think we lost a little more with the guys we did. Losing Spangler is gonna hurt. I just don't see someone coming in to rebound like him. And I don't see someone stepping up the way buddy had to be a 17-19 ppg guy. I know what you mean. Everyone is losing people. And they could end up finishing the year CLOSE to 11-7. I just don't think it'll happen. I think 10-8 would be a big success. But if they take care of the teams they should beat and beat some teams they weren't expected to at home then I think 11-7 is the highest they will go. Rebounding I feel like is going to be an issue.
 
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SoonerBounce13 said:
next year is only a rebuilding year in terms of we will have alot of players in different roles and replacing a lot. But it won't be rebuilding in terms of starting from scratch and being a terrible team.
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I agree with this.

It's obvious, we probably won't be as explosive as we were this year. But for those who say things like, "We're losing 80 percent of our scoring," exactly what is it that you're saying? Do you mean we'll only score 16 points per game since 80 percent of our scoring is graduating?

It's anyone's guess how good we'll be next season. All I know is, I expect us to be better than teams like KState and TTech, and I believe we'll be back in NCAA tournament.
 
SoonerBounce13 said:
LIterally nobody thinks this
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Haha and actually


Big Old Booger said:
you have to remember we aren't the only team losing players. KU loses a lot but they always reload. Iowa State loses a lot, Texas loses a lot, Baylor loses a lot, WV lost key players, etc. So, we could be 12-6 or even 13-5 next year if the conference isn't as good which is entirely possible but I think 10-11 wins is more realistic.
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SoonerBounce13 said:
and BTW, predicting 15 wins total is just as unrealistic as thinking we will surpass last years conference win total
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no one said this either...unless you count them saying we won't make tourney...lots of teams with more than 15 wins that didn't make tourney.
 
scrybe said:
I agree with this.

It's obvious, we probably won't be as explosive as we were this year. But for those who say things like, "We're losing 80 percent of our scoring," exactly what is it that you're saying? Do you mean we'll only score 16 points per game since 80 percent of our scoring is graduating?

It's anyone's guess how good we'll be next season. All I know is, I expect us to be better than teams like KState and TTech, and I believe we'll be back in NCAA tournament.
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no, it means there is a lot to replace, and to say predicting ksu and ut would probably be ahead of OU is unrealistic isn't being objective. That's all.

Folks jumped on ...OUdna? about his comment.

I'm not saying OU will be at the bottom, but with POY and 2 other Sr's and a Jr that started 100...games NOT here, it is just as likely OU will be in the middle with other schools better...just is.
 
WTSooner said:
I'm all for "increasing the talent on the OU roster", but you have to be careful not to recruit over guys while gaining very little in terms of production. If the staff thinks they will see marked improvement from guys already on the roster, they aren't going to create some weird backlog situation by taking a one year guy, especially in a year when we aren't supposed to contend.
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That makes sense.

I'm always of the opinion to plan for the worst and hope for the best. Always have a plan B because injuries can always befall you.

I remember one Sampson team where we were down to seven scholarship players.

But Lon is a very wise coach. I'm sure he will adjust the team - go small or big, depending on who develops and what our strengths are. As it appears we don't have a lot of offense underneath. Both Spangler and Lattin were great rebounders and smart players but not offensive talents. The coaches know what to work on and perhaps we'll be shocked at the new McNease or the Lattin who turns into Anthony Davis.

Most of us aren't quite that optimistic and I assume that's why this thread was started.
 
Clifford Ray:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clifford_Ray

Garfield Heard:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gar_Heard

I wish OU could get someone like Clifford Ray or Garfield Heard to work with the OU post players this summer. I think all of the current OU coaches were point guards in their college playing days. A "big man" coach that actually played in the post might do wonders teaching the OU post players the tricks of the trade.

This idea was suggested to me by a former OU post player from the 1960s that sat next to me at one of the recent away games. I think it is a good idea. He said that the aforementioned OU greats were "slick" around the basket with drop steps, fakes, and other post moves. He seemed a bit frustrated that the current OU post players were not taught some of these things.
 
SoonerTraveler said:
Clifford Ray:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clifford_Ray

Garfield Heard:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gar_Heard

I wish OU could get someone like Clifford Ray or Garfield Heard to work with the OU post players this summer. I think all of the current OU coaches were point guards in their college playing days. A "big man" coach that actually played in the post might do wonders teaching the OU post players the tricks of the trade.

This idea was suggested to me by a former OU post player from the 1960s that sat next to me at one of the recent away games. I think it is a good idea. He said that the aforementioned OU greats were "slick" around the basket with drop steps, fakes, and other post moves. He seemed a bit frustrated that the current OU post players were not taught some of these things.
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It wasn't that long ago when Clifford Ray was regarded as the best big-man coach in the NBA. And when I say, "best", I don't mean 2nd best or arguably the best. His reputation was as the best. I haven't been following him as closely lately as it wouldn't surprise me if he was retired. For him to work with the OU bigs would be an amazing idea.
 
WaymanFan said:
It wasn't that long ago when Clifford Ray was regarded as the best big-man coach in the NBA. And when I say, "best", I don't mean 2nd best or arguably the best. His reputation was as the best. I haven't been following him as closely lately as it wouldn't surprise me if he was retired. For him to work with the OU bigs would be an amazing idea.
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I occasionally see Clifford around Norman. His sister still lives here and I think works at Norman High or OU. I run into her at garage sales.

Clifford Ray is credited for the development of Dwight Howard as well as a bunch of centers in the league. He mentored Dwight since he a rookie at Orlando. He was on the Rockets bench talking to Dwight during last Sunday's game against the Thunder.

Clifford used to conduct a Big Man's Camp and I'm not sure if he still does so. If he were to do so in Norman, he'd have a place to stay and I'd bet he'd get a lot of folks to attend.
 
WTSooner said:
Those teams can all be better, and OU can still have better talent and better coaching.

Are some of you just watching college basketball for the first time? This won't be the first time OU has lost 2-3 good players. Teams graduate good players all the time. Yes, OU lost a lot of scoring. But I think James showed us during the last month or so of the season that if he needed to score more, he could have. Woodard has experience. James has experience. Strong will have two years of JUCO. Buford will have been on campus for about three years when next season starts. Same for McNeace (I think). Odomes will have been on campus for over a year. Freeman for a year. McGusty is a top 50 guy, sometimes those guys come in and contribute meaningfully from day 1.

Have some faith in Lon Kruger.
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All good points I agree with, WT!

While it's true we're going to miss our three seniors next season, as three of our four top scorers will be gone. It's not like the cupboard will be completely void of talented players, seven with experience, although limited with all but two of that number. People like to focus on the points we're losing, and rightly so. Yet, more than 30 of our 79 points per game average will be back. I've got to believe that number would be a lot higher if our back ups were playing starter or starter-like minutes.

I'm not concerned about where our points will come from next season. As you correctly pointed out, all of our returning players should be much improved by the beginning of the season next fall. Add McGusty, Freeman, Strong, Doolittle and Grandstaff by the second semester, and we'll have a wealth of talented players capable of having an impact next year.

The only unknown is how well and how fast will those players come together as a team?
 
There is also a good chance next year's team will be better defensively than this year's team and if that happens OU will be likely a 4/5 seed.
 
I want a point guard to be added as a fifth year senior if possible.
 
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