March Madness and Covid-19

[WTSooner]

I'm for healthcare availability but very much against government run healthcare.

Tell me what is your model for success in any government run operation. Medicare, Social Security, Medicaid underfunded and Medicare and Medicaid plagued with fraud. Billions every year. Post Office in serious jeapordy.

Simple reason for that. No one is accountable in the government. Yet try to get a beaurocrat to make a decision even though they don't even get fired for watching porn at work.

It is not the people. It is the system. Government entities can always raise taxes, often hidden taxes to get more money. The prime motivation is to get an ever increasing budget. Don't believe that. Ask any friend who is a government employee what happens if they haven't spent the budget close to the end of the year. They spend it whether they need to or not. their greatest fear is that they will get a budget cut the next year. So they ask for a 10% increase and call it a budget cut if they get less than that. No way a business could survive operating that way.

Exactly. There are a lot of things I'm for in the private sector that I don't what the government anywhere near. There is nearly nothing the government does better or more efficiently than the private sector.

 

[coolm]

There is nearly nothing the government does better or more efficiently than the private sector.

except when you need centralization. but continue with your ill-advised pontificating.

 

[MJSooner]

Most epidemiologists think our peak will be in mid-May. Extrapolate our deaths doubling every 48 hours until May 15th. Just go do some quick math....

Now remember, mid-May is just the peak. That doesn’t mean it ends there, it just starts subsiding.

It’s possible that social distancing can move that peak to the left somewhat and flatten the curve, but we need an all-hands-on-deck approach, but clearly too many people STILL aren’t taking this seriously enough.

This is a great link. It shows every state, and lists the criteria for its projections. It shows just about every state peaking anywhere from April 15-20th. The interesting thing about his link it shows you the impact on ICU and hospital beds.

These worst-case scenarios of peaking in May or 1 million cases or 200K deaths are based on limited mitigation. Even Dr. Fauci has said this. 70% of the country is in more severe mitigation restrictions than the CDC recommendations that were today extended to April 30th. The predictions on this website might be more realistic based on the shelter in place restrictions now placed on 250+ million Americans and 47 of the largest 50 cities.

https://covid19.healthdata.org/projections

 

[Eielson]

This is a great link. It shows every state, and lists the criteria for its projections. It shows just about every state peaking anywhere from April 15-20th. The interesting thing about his link it shows you the impact on ICU and hospital beds.

These worst-case scenarios of peaking in May or 1 million cases or 200K deaths are based on limited mitigation. Even Dr. Fauci has said this. 70% of the country is in more severe mitigation restrictions than the CDC recommendations that were today extended to April 30th. The predictions on this website might be more realistic based on the shelter in place restrictions now placed on 250+ million Americans and 47 of the largest 50 cities.

https://covid19.healthdata.org/projections

Are those numbers projecting us to have enough ventilators?

ICU beds usually aren't magical, and even the physician care shouldn't be much different. The main difference is nursing care (higher nurse:bed ratio), and in this situation -- RTs and Vents. I really don't think it would be that difficult for hospitals to temporarily double their "ICU beds" if they can bring in enough nursing/RT staff.

 

[MJSooner]

Are those numbers projecting us to have enough ventilators?

ICU beds usually aren't magical, and even the physician care shouldn't be much different. The main difference is nursing care (higher nurse:bed ratio), and in this situation -- RTs and Vents. I really don't think it would be that difficult for hospitals to temporarily double their "ICU beds" if they can bring in enough nursing/RT staff.

It shows a need of 234 ventilators in OK but doesn't show how many we have. 434 ICU needed of 467, and 2873 out of 5457 hospital beds.

Then you go look at NY or NJ, a very scary picture ahead.

 

[AdaSooner]

It shows a need of 234 ventilators in OK but doesn't show how many we have. 434 ICU needed of 467, and 2873 out of 5457 hospital beds.

Then you go look at NY or NJ, a very scary picture ahead.

This link shows the number of med/surg beds, the number of ICU beds, and the number of ventilators available in Oklahoma.

https://www.tulsaworld.com/news/loc...cle_02dda342-1124-53a3-b1d1-d894c96a1c42.html

 

[sheepdogs1]

This link shows the number of med/surg beds, the number of ICU beds, and the number of ventilators available in Oklahoma.

https://www.tulsaworld.com/news/loc...cle_02dda342-1124-53a3-b1d1-d894c96a1c42.html

I saw 500 ventilators.

On a side note, Ada. My brother and sis-in-law are both doctors. They did residency with a man named Fernando. I partook in a family video chat this evening (can you say boring). My brother said Fernando became a grandfather and that he, Fernando, is busy as a pulmonary doctor in NYC. I asked "Which hospital." My brother said Weill Cornell Medical Center. I said ask Fernando if he knows Dr. Price (guy in the vid you posted recently). And he must know him. Strange!

 

[WTSooner]

Drive through testing starting tomorrow in Tulsa. Limited number I believe.

Edit: Looks like this actually happened Thursday and/or Friday. Guy leading the charge was my doctor for a short while.

 

[MJSooner]

Drive through testing starting tomorrow in Tulsa. Limited number I believe.

Edit: Looks like this actually happened Thursday and/or Friday. Guy leading the charge was my doctor for a short while.

Yep, I believe it started Friday. The test/provider doesn't take insurance and I think the cost is $250.

 

[sheepdogs1]

The worldometer site (sounds like a carnival ride) ended with today's mortality count at 264, which was close to half of yesterday's count.

 

[AdaSooner]

I saw 500 ventilators.

On a side note, Ada. My brother and sis-in-law are both doctors. They did residency with a man named Fernando. I partook in a family video chat this evening (can you say boring). My brother said Fernando became a grandfather and that he, Fernando, is busy as a pulmonary doctor in NYC. I asked "Which hospital." My brother said Weill Cornell Medical Center. I said ask Fernando if he knows Dr. Price (guy in the vid you posted recently). And he must know him. Strange!

Fascinating! Small world, isn’t it?

Keep me posted if you hear the rest of this story later on..

 

[sheepdogs1]

Fascinating! Small world, isn’t it?

Keep me posted if you hear the rest of this story later on..

I did a little digging at the hospital's site and it appears Fernando is the chief of that particular department, so he would have to be familiar w/the doctor in the video. Just strange.

 

[tooney]

https://www.motherjones.com/coronav...even-as-senators-warned-of-virus-threat-here/

https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/29/opin...al-protective-equipment-obeidallah/index.html


Where are all the masks???

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/trump-masks-coronavirus-hoarding_n_5e8123f1c5b6256a7a2cc8a6

SMH!!

 

[WaymanFan]

I'm for healthcare availability but very much against government run healthcare.

Whenever I hear someone say about something being run by our government, I'm reminded of a Jay Leno joke from several years back. Prostitution had been legal in Denmark, but it then became illegal. A man felt he needed a prostitute for "medical reasons" and wanted his government to pay for it. Jay: "A government subsidized prostitute. What is THAT woman going to look like!?"

 

[WTSooner]

Yep, I believe it started Friday. The test/provider doesn't take insurance and I think the cost is $250.

Interesting. The story I read suggested they did take insurance and the cost was $60.

Either way, that's a pretty reasonable price to pay to find out if you have this nasty virus or not.

 

[paboomersooner]

So your sayin' there's a chance.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...december-cough-have-been-covid-19/2899027001/

This one's for you Mr Rocks.

Wait, wait, wait! Before you weigh in, let me take a shot at your reply!

You have ironclad proof YOU'RE right and this is COMPLETE and ABSOLUTE fiction!

Sorry. Had to be said.

Once again, because I think you missed it the first time, I'm not saying I had it. I'm not even saying it's probable. I'm saying I, along with some others I know, had an illnes in November that presented itself in a manner that I had never experienced. It displayed many of the same symptoms the Coronavirus displays. I was diagnosed with a URI. Big umbrella.

According to this article, suspicions in the medical field are growing.

 

[steverocks35]

So your sayin' there's a chance.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...december-cough-have-been-covid-19/2899027001/

This one's for you Mr Rocks.

Wait, wait, wait! Before you weigh in, let me take a shot at your reply!

You have ironclad proof YOU'RE right and this is COMPLETE and ABSOLUTE fiction!

Sorry. Had to be said.

Once again, because I think you missed it the first time, I'm not saying I had it. I'm not even saying it's probable. I'm saying I, along with some others I know, had an illnes in November that presented itself in a manner that I had never experienced. It displayed many of the same symptoms the Coronavirus displays. I was diagnosed with a URI. Big umbrella.

According to this article, suspicions in the medical field are growing.

Well if a bunch of people on Facebook said it, it must be true!

Explain something to me, since you’re an expert in the field, why was the virus here in November but didn’t sweep through the country killing people like it is now? Wouldn’t they have had to set up a temporary hospital in New York back in November? Wouldn’t the hospitals have been overwhelmed and running out of ventilators back in November? Please give me your scientific reasoning backed up by facts on why that didn’t happen.

 

[mict085]

We have to get back to work. We have to find a way to combat the virus without tanking the economy and putting everyone out of work. I’m sorry if 100-200k people die, but we have to take care of the 330+ million other people that will survive.

 

[steverocks35]

Guys, I was looking over the numbers. Oklahoma looks bad. Our official number of coronavirus infections is 429, but we have 16 deaths. Those numbers don't jibe! Take a look at other states. Some huge states have fewer or similar deaths. Missouri has 10 deaths. Virginia 22 deaths.

I worked backwards and did a little math. If you assume a mortality rate of 1.4% and 16 deaths, that means the actual number of infections is about 1143. More than twice what is being reported. The reasons for this are twofold in my opinion. 1. Our testing capacity was swamped from the beginning and even the testing we are getting now has a 7-10 day turnaround time. 2. The governor still refuses to shut the state down. Some mayors have done it. Tulsa is now under a shelter in place order. I could be wrong, but I expect these number to get a lot bigger here by the end of the week.

 

[steverocks35]

We have to get back to work. We have to find a way to combat the virus without tanking the economy and putting everyone out of work. I’m sorry if 100-200k people die, but we have to take care of the 330+ million other people that will survive.

That's not sound reasoning. If we go back to normal now, then the cases will explode and it will be even worse for the economy. Better to weather the storm until it's over. Not only will you save a lot of lives, but it will be better for the economy in the long run.