March Madness and Covid-19

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March 10th CNN interview with mayor Bill De Blasio of New York. 1st 2 minutes is telling.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KxWQywIuhhA

Wow! Wanna know why NYC is the epicenter of the Covid-19 virus? De Blasio answers that question: Life goes on as usual in NYC. Why? He gives you the answer to that question, too: NYC residents are tough.

I find it interesting that liberals, including those on this board, seem to be giving De Blasio a pass. Talk about reckless and irresponsible! NYC’s mayor gets the prize.
 

Ebola was not a crisis in the United States, it was a crisis in West Africa. It’s really annoying to keep having these pedantic arguments with you.

Ada, de Blasio was and continues to be a complete idiot. Thank God Cuomo is there to oversee New York City’s response.

On a side note, our governor needs to take action right now, cases here in Oklahoma are starting to enter the log phase. It’s going to get really bad here.
 
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Been to Lowes lately? They have cleaning supplies, toiletries. They have been deemed essential.

Not to mention they provide supplies to companies that are staying open as essential. Construction and repair is essential. Some of those companies need the supplies that Lowe's offers.

You can really tell the agenda some folks have. It's disgusting.
 
It’s going to get really bad here.

Define really bad.

Worse? Sure. Really bad? I have my doubts, unless my really bad and your really bad are just light years apart.

Still think the FLOOR for world deaths is 14 million? We're currently at just over 30k I believe.
 
Ebola was a not a crisis in the United States, it was a crisis in West Africa. It’s really annoying to keep having these pedantic arguments with you.

Ada, de Blasio was and continues to be a complete idiot. Thank God Cuomo is there to oversee New York City’s response.

On a side note, our governor needs to take action right now, cases here in Oklahoma are starting to enter the log phase. It’s going to get really bad here.


Cuomo is against a quarantine of New York while it is plainly the epicenter of the outbreak.
 
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Not to mention they provide supplies to companies that are staying open as essential. Construction and repair is essential. Some of those companies need the supplies that Lowe's offers.

You can really tell the agenda some folks have. It's disgusting.

Anything that isn’t food or drugs is NOT essential, I don’t care what our idiot governor says. People are about to start getting sick here in large numbers because they won’t stay the eff at home.

My agenda is fewer dead people.
 
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Define really bad.

Worse? Sure. Really bad? I have my doubts, unless my really bad and your really bad are just light years apart.

Still think the FLOOR for world deaths is 14 million? We're currently at just over 30k I believe.

Do you know how math works? We went from 1,000 deaths to 2,000 deaths in 48 hours. The number of deaths is going to double every 48 hours, probably less. Italy is still seeing huge numbers of dead and they’re a very small country compared to us. Spain just had its largest day of Covid-19 deaths.
 
A.) I want quality health care for everyone as well. But a singular, universal system would be a disaster. Depending upon the price tag, it would not only limit/delay access, but it would also have an adverse effect on research and technology. Think about it, how many health care technological advances that save lives come out of Denmark or Sweden.

There is absolutely no evidence to suggest it would be a disaster. Medicare is not a disaster. We already have socialized medicine in this country for old people (Medicare), poor people (Medicaid), native americans, VA, active duty military, etc. It's not like we aren't familiar with it. And lots of technological advances come out of other countries. As for price tag, we already spend more than the other countries do.

B.) I would be open to cost reduction (depending upon the price tag) for tuition at Community Colleges and State funded universities. But I believe it should be a state decision more than federal. And young people need to learn that maybe you can't afford to go to certain private schools because you can't afford it. And if these decisions were made from a cost/benefit standpoint, you would have considerably less student loan debt. I've heard of countless people who went into tremendous debt going to expensive private universities only to become a social worker (a great vocation btw)....know what you want to do and financially prepare accordingly.

This is already happening at the state and local levels. In fact, Tulsa does this through Tulsa Achieves. Tulsa County high school graduates can go to TCC for free if they met certain criteria, which is very minimal.

I have seen this shift over the years. A few years ago, nobody wanted any concessions to the education system.. Now it has morphed into "ok, I am now fine with community colleges and trade schools". What is the difference between TCC and OSU? TCC is first 2 years, OSU is last 2 years. I would like to see more community college and trade school options and more partnerships between 2 year schools and 4 year schools, but the concept is basically the same. We also need more schools like OSU IT in Okmulgee, that offer 4 year degrees but are very "job training" specific. In other words, lots of work to be done in the American education system.

C.) When you go to work for someone (in the private sector), you enter into a contract with an employer. Thus, during the interview process, you have the opportunity to learn about the "benefits package". And then you can choose to work for "X" company. You are not compelled (gun to your head) to work for "X" company.....you have the choice to find another company with better benefits or that fit your scenario.

Yes, that is classic Libertarian logic. But it completely disregards the history of labor issues. From slavery, to child labor, to basic pay and benefits, to restrictions on hours, and much more... people had to fight to get those things. Most business owners didn't do it out of the kindness of their hearts. These were concessions to demands. The government had to pass the Fair Labor Standards Act to get many of these things we take for granted today. That brought you the 5 day, 40 hour work week. Overtime pay, etc.

If we applied the above logic to those issues, you would say "ok, so they want to work you in unsafe conditions 70 hours a week, for $10 a day, with no overtime pay... they didn't put a gun to your head, just don't work there"...

But the real problem with your scenario is it doesn't assume the desperation of a lot of workers. Employment offers aren't some smorgasbord of options for the vast majority of people. I know talented, educated people who literally filled out hundreds of applications, and out of that either got no offers or 1-2 offers... out of hundreds. Your scenario acts like people can just line up their dozens of offers and select the one with the best benefits. Even if there were dozens of offers, most benefits are pretty standard these days. 15 days of vacation, couple of national holidays, expensive healthcare plans (for families), etc.

It's going to stay that way until something or someone changes it.

And I don't know anyone who wants to get rid of social security. However, it is in desperate need of reform because we are going to run out of money. The mechanisms that fund it are hemorrhaging.

They want to privatize it. And the fixes to it are pretty simple.


E.) This is something some folks on the left don't fully discern. Minimum wage jobs were not created to sustain a living wage....and shouldn't be viewed that way. That's not the purpose of those types of jobs. They are typically entry level, part time or seasonal positions. They are typically non or low-skilled positions. IMO, the point of "minimum wage" jobs are to move up the ladder as fast as possible so that you're not in that position. And in a large number of instances, people working full-time in these types of positions have other issues likely in need of addressing (education, structure, motivation, etc.)...not trying to be insensitive, but there is truth to this. And the economics (in most cases) would force the owner/management to offset increased labor costs....which could lead to less employees, automation, or in some cases.....constricting your business. And of course increased costs would be passed along to us....the consumer.

42% of the country makes less than $15 an hour. In some cases, you have companies literally showing their low-paid employees how to get on welfare and how to work multiple jobs. It's exploitation, plain and simple. Taxpayers are basically subsidizing it.

I get what you are saying, I just don't agree with it. If you work a full-time job, you should be able to live without welfare. That is just a basic principle that I believe in.

And there is no "point" to minimum wage. You act like it's intentionally designed to motivate people. That isn't true at all. Why do you think they moved so many jobs to China, Vietnam, and Mexico? To motivate the Mexicans? No, because they can pay them $2.00 an hour to build a car vs $25 an hour to build a car here.

In much of the above, most of us want the same thing, but through different means of achieving it. It appears the main chasm between the two worldviews is that you, by and large, want big federal government solutions to resolve many issues. I'm usually a proponent of "the bigger the government, the smaller the citizen". And some of these items can better be solved on a local level where the problems/issues are generally understood better at a granular level.

Mostly true. We have two different methods for resolution.
 
Anything that isn’t food or drugs is NOT essential, I don’t care what our idiot governor says. People are about to start getting sick here in large numbers because they won’t stay the eff at home.

My agenda is fewer dead people.


Are Lowes stores open in California? And if so does that make the governor an idiot as well.
 
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Most epidemiologists think our peak will be in mid-May. Extrapolate our deaths doubling every 48 hours until May 15th. Just go do some quick math....

Now remember, mid-May is just the peak. That doesn’t mean it ends there, it just starts subsiding.

It’s possible that social distancing can move that peak to the left somewhat and flatten the curve, but we need an all-hands-on-deck approach, but clearly too many people STILL aren’t taking this seriously enough.
 
Not to mention they provide supplies to companies that are staying open as essential. Construction and repair is essential. Some of those companies need the supplies that Lowe's offers.

You can really tell the agenda some folks have. It's disgusting.

I was actually at Home Depot yesterday and the employees were talking about this with customers... They were telling customers that lots of businesses rely on them for supplies. From landscaping, to plumbing, to electrical, etc. Basically all the trades rely on them.

At the individual level... what if your hot water heater goes out? What if your toilet breaks? What if your lights go out? What if you have insect infestation? You can handle all those issues and more with supplies from Lowes and Home Depot.

I am in agreement here... these types of stores should stay open.
 
I was actually at Home Depot yesterday and the employees were talking about this with customers... They were telling customers that lots of businesses rely on them for supplies. From landscaping, to plumbing, to electrical, etc. Basically all the trades rely on them.

At the individual level... what if your hot water heater goes out? What if your toilet breaks? What if your lights go out? What if you have insect infestation? You can handle all those issues and more with supplies from Lowes and Home Depot.

I am in agreement here... these types of stores should stay open.

Best Buy was only allowing 10 customers in the store at a time. Lowe’s parking lot was packed. Absolutely packed.

People should not be allowed to cram inside any building.
 
100% spot on...

first off...WTF? "WE"...vs "He"....ummm, half the country voted for trump...so NO it isn't "WE" vs "He"...what a crock of ****.

First of all, only 55% of the country voted.... And of those, a majority didn't vote for Donald Trump. Hilary is a horrible candidate though and I don't support her at all.
 
Best Buy was only allowing 10 customers in the store at a time. Lowe’s parking lot was packed. Absolutely packed.

People should not be allowed to cram inside any building.

Yea, Academy was doing something similar. Only 20 people allowed in at the same time.

What I saw at Home Depot was tons of gardening stuff... its warm, its spring, and the majority of customers seemed to be around the outdoor furniture, mulch, and outdoors stuff.
 
Yea, Academy was doing something similar. Only 20 people allowed in at the same time.

What I saw at Home Depot was tons of gardening stuff... its warm, its spring, and the majority of customers seemed to be around the outdoor furniture, mulch, and outdoors stuff.

Update, I just checked. Best Buy is now only doing online sales and curbside pickup. Only employees are allowed inside the store. Which is the responsible thing to do.

Remember, almost anything can be ordered online. This is 2020. You don’t need to physically show up to shop.
 
Yea, Academy was doing something similar. Only 20 people allowed in at the same time.

What I saw at Home Depot was tons of gardening stuff... its warm, its spring, and the majority of customers seemed to be around the outdoor furniture, mulch, and outdoors stuff.

Which is located in the outdoor part of the facility?
 
The move to "green" needs to be started through private companies. Once somebody can develop a way to make cheap, affordable, green energy, and jobs to go along with it, you'll see the Nation start shifting that way. That is not the case now. We aren't to that point. So yeah, how about we not completely throw away the energy industry that we currently have that does so much for so many.

It has been... it's just slow. Tesla Powerwall (for residential use), Suntegra and Tesla solar shingles, etc. Honestly I think it needs to start with residential energy and expand outward. It seems like most of the focus has been more on transportation, but that requires A LOT more infrastructure and change than residential solar.

I think the government could play a huge role here... subsidizing solar roof upgrades, solar conversions, etc. They do some of this, but even with that it still costs about $25,000 to convert your house to solar using Tesla technology if I remember correctly.

- There are A LOT of Americans that don't want universal healthcare. Even a significant amount of liberals (at least, those that are moderately liberal).

I would say most American's don't even really understand what it is. Polls change of course, but Reuters did a survey that found 70% of people want Medicare. Slate did a poll showing 57% want Medicare. Fox News found 46% support it. A Kaiser poll found that 71% of the country supports an OPTIONAL public option to buy into. Basically letting you choose Medicare. Which, in that case, makes Medicare a competitor to private industry.

Your statement is technically accurate. Even in the best-case-scenario, 30% of the country doesn't want it. That is a lot of people.

Of course, Medicare is very popular for what it does now. Something like 80% approval among seniors who have Medicare. I don't know any seniors who hate their Medicare.

- I work in the professional field, and the people I come into contact with all have several weeks of paid time off. Who is wanting this, and to what degree, that isn't getting it? Part time burger flippers at McDonald's?

I work in a professional field with standard benefits as well. It's a lot more than paid time off.

  • Paid family and medical leave... Paid time at home to care for a new child. Most advanced countries do this. We don't.
  • Guaranteed sick days on top of your vacation time. For most companies, these are combined into just "time off".

Bottom line... the current status/quo does not provide a proper work/life balance and reduce insecurity... That is the primary issue. These practices cause all sorts of impact on the person individually, and on society as a whole.

Some culture changes need to take place as well... the government can't do that. But something like 60% of American's don't use all their vacation out of pure fear. Scared of losing their jobs.

- Equitable wealth distribution. LMAO. You know there are a bunch of liberals that own big companies that can distribute that income/wealth any way they see fit. And yet, almost none of them do what "your party" seems to suggest they want people to do. Lead from the front. If that is what Dems want, then I would expect liberal business owners to start doing this on their own. And anybody that feels that way has the ability and right to start their own company and run it and distribute income/wealth any way they want. Don't like how Amazon is run? Start a version on different principles. If enough people agree, they'll buy from you and not Amazon. But nah, you want to sit around and b*tch and moan about how it's not fair that somebody had an idea and turned it to a wildly successful company.

This is just basic tax policy. Are you denying that tax policy over the past few decades increasingly favors the 1%?

You have to have some kind of a national tax system. We just seem to disagree what that should look like, apparently.

If you had to design our tax policy, would it look like what we have now?
 
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