March Madness and Covid-19

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And the liberals wouldn't support him no matter what he did either. Some of them literally did not clap/cheer during his SOTU speech when we was talking about record low unemployment amount AA's. That is CRAZY to me.

When you lose all amount of respect for someone that lies & does so many things you disagree with, you’re probably not going to give him a round of applause. Especially for some things that were on their way to being good anyways.
 
And the liberals wouldn't support him no matter what he did either. Some of them literally did not clap/cheer during his SOTU speech when we was talking about record low unemployment amount AA's. That is CRAZY to me.

sure wt, it's just all some big conspiracy against trump. it has nothing to do with the fact that the guy is an idiot and an absolute jackass of a person. the rest of the world's wrong and only you are correct.
 
I've heard 60% of independents are happy with how the administration is dealing with the situation.

I'll use this as a Segway into my first and last political post. I would qualify as an Independent, likely because I'm not much of a fan of either major Party. I'm about as close to the center as can possibly be. I'll give a couple of examples which have nothing to do with our present problems. I wasn't a fan of either Trump or Clinton being impeached, mostly because it lacked bi-partisan agreement. That is also why I did not like Obamacare, but at least gave the Democrats props for TRYING to do something about this huge problem. I was disgusted that the Republicans wanted to do nothing, but the Democrats would have been better served to simply convey to the American people they at least have a plan. Had they done that instead of jamming Obamacare down our throats, they probably would have won a lot more seats in Congress.

I'm in the 60% of Independents approving the way this nightmare is being handled. I think Mike Pence especially is doing a great job of keeping things together. I have generally approved of most of President Trump's policies, and have especially appreciated that he's been the first President in my lifetime who has at least tried to keep his campaign promises. That said, during this time, we need a President to be "presidential". Now is simply not a good time to act like an 8-year-old when he doesn't get his way. Finally, I would appreciate it if he not mocked any of the other leaders / governors during these troubling times. It serves no constructive purpose.

Finally, I am still undecided as to who will get my vote in November.
 
I'll use this as a Segway into my first and last political post. I would qualify as an Independent, likely because I'm not much of a fan of either major Party. I'm about as close to the center as can possibly be. I'll give a couple of examples which have nothing to do with our present problems. I wasn't a fan of either Trump or Clinton being impeached, mostly because it lacked bi-partisan agreement. That is also why I did not like Obamacare, but at least gave the Democrats props for TRYING to do something about this huge problem. I was disgusted that the Republicans wanted to do nothing, but the Democrats would have been better served to simply convey to the American people they at least have a plan. Had they done that instead of jamming Obamacare down our throats, they probably would have won a lot more seats in Congress.

I'm in the 60% of Independents approving the way this nightmare is being handled. I think Mike Pence especially is doing a great job of keeping things together. I have generally approved of most of President Trump's policies, and have especially appreciated that he's been the first President in my lifetime who has at least tried to keep his campaign promises. That said, during this time, we need a President to be "presidential". Now is simply not a good time to act like an 8-year-old when he doesn't get his way. Finally, I would appreciate it if he not mocked any of the other leaders / governors during these troubling times. It serves no constructive purpose.

Finally, I am still undecided as to who will get my vote in November.

And thanks for being honest and candid with your assessment and not withdraw to the "your daddy is the best daddy in the whole world" mantra.
 
When you lose all amount of respect for someone that lies & does so many things you disagree with, you’re probably not going to give him a round of applause. Especially for some things that were on their way to being good anyways.

They applauded Obama and he lied. They applauded Clinton and he lied. They applauded Hillary and she lied and she got people killed and should be in prison.
 
For the record, coronavirus strains do cause the common cold. Rhino is the most common cause, but certainly not the only.
 
For the record, coronavirus strains do cause the common cold. Rhino is the most common cause, but certainly not the only.

Yeah that was my error. There are some strains of coronavirus that can cause common colds. But if you asked just about any doctor what causes the common cold they would say rhinovirus. Anyway, my mistake.

Update: Oklahoma is up to almost 400 confirmed cases of Covid-19, with 15 deaths. My housemate and I went to the river to do some fishing today and we drove by Lowe’s, it was absolutely packed. I can’t believe that people are STILL not taking this seriously.

Stay away from each other people.
 
Yeah that was my error. There are some strains of coronavirus that can cause common colds. But if you asked just about any doctor what causes the common cold they would say rhinovirus. Anyway, my mistake.

Update: Oklahoma is up to almost 400 confirmed cases of Covid-19, with 15 deaths. My housemate and I went to the river to do some fishing today and we drove by Lowe’s, it was absolutely packed. I can’t believe that people are STILL not taking this seriously.

Stay away from each other people.

Keep in mind, some of these people may be shopping for family members/neighbors/friends who can’t shop for themselves, or they’re in the high risk category due to age and/or health issues.

My wife and I are good examples. We haven’t been out except to the drive through at our pharmacy and the post office in nearly three weeks. Our daughter does all of the shopping for us.
She usually leaves the bags (groceries mostly) in our garage to be picked up later.

We’re blessed to have someone close by to see to our needs. I feel bad for people our age who don’t have anyone to run errands for them!
 
Keep in mind, some of these people may be shopping for family members/neighbors/friends who can’t shop for themselves, or they’re in the high risk category due to age and/or health issues.

My wife and I are good examples. We haven’t been out except to the drive through at our pharmacy and the post office in nearly three weeks. Our daughter does all of the shopping for us.
She usually leaves the bags (groceries mostly) in our garage to be picked up later.

We’re blessed to have someone close by to see to our needs. I feel bad for people our age who don’t have anyone to run errands for them!

Sure, shopping at Lowe’s for lamps. Irresponsible
 
Sure, shopping at Lowe’s for lamps. Irresponsible

Assuming they were shopping for lamps is an example of responsibility.



On a side note, at Walgreens they have pieces of tape spread about 6 feet from each other to help separate customers from each other as you approach the checkout line.
 
Assuming they were shopping for lamps is an example of responsibility.



On a side note, at Walgreens they have pieces of tape spread about 6 feet from each other to help separate customers from each other as you approach the checkout line.

How is that an example of responsibility? If you aren’t shopping for groceries or picking up medications, stay your ass away from each other.
 
How is that an example of responsibility? If you aren’t shopping for groceries or picking up medications, stay your ass away from each other.

This has been my biggest complaint about the restrictions and shutdowns. Today our mayor(s) restricted ALL gatherings outside of your household. That means parents cannot have their adult children in their home for dinner. It means you and your neighbor cannot have a conversation, even in your front yard in a lawn chair, unless you are six feet apart. Additionally, playgrounds/sport courts/golf courses have been shut down. So if I wanted to take my son out to shoot hoops or go swing the golf clubs, I cannot.

Yet I can go to Walmart, Target, Lowe's, Home Depot, a cannabis shop, Walgreen's, or one of the other several "essential" businesses where there are dozens if not hundreds in the store, and it doesn't appear hygiene and stop the spread is as important as getting whatever I want for whatever reason.

Look, I am not advocating the closure of those stores either, or limiting one person per household or limit the number in the store at the same time. But it is terribly inconsistent and unfair when compared to some of the harshness of the restrictions.
 
How is that an example of responsibility? If you aren’t shopping for groceries or picking up medications, stay your ass away from each other.

It was a facetious attempt on my part. Sorry.

They sell items like batteries, flashlights, bulbs, hand sanitizers, mops, dish washing soap, laundry detergent, sponges and a host of other similar items. They also have an outdoor garden center, which is much more safe than the indoors, and people can more safely buy items, items to help them do things outdoors to help offset depression and the like. Also, tornado season is fast approaching and people need to stock up on certain items.

Also, some items are in short supply due to hoarding and when they become available people have the right to refill these necessities.
 
This has been my biggest complaint about the restrictions and shutdowns. Today our mayor(s) restricted ALL gatherings outside of your household. That means parents cannot have their adult children in their home for dinner. It means you and your neighbor cannot have a conversation, even in your front yard in a lawn chair, unless you are six feet apart. Additionally, playgrounds/sport courts/golf courses have been shut down. So if I wanted to take my son out to shoot hoops or go swing the golf clubs, I cannot.

Yet I can go to Walmart, Target, Lowe's, Home Depot, a cannabis shop, Walgreen's, or one of the other several "essential" businesses where there are dozens if not hundreds in the store, and it doesn't appear hygiene and stop the spread is as important as getting whatever I want for whatever reason.

Look, I am not advocating the closure of those stores either, or limiting one person per household or limit the number in the store at the same time. But it is terribly inconsistent and unfair when compared to some of the harshness of the restrictions.


And on the funny side of things when I was shopping for foodstuffs at Walmart earlier this week I was going through the self checkout line and was in such a hurry to exit the store I forgot to pay!!!!!!!!!!! I owe them a C note.
 
And on the funny side of things when I was shopping for foodstuffs at Walmart earlier this week I was going through the self checkout line and was in such a hurry to exit the store I forgot to pay!!!!!!!!!!! I owe them a C note.

Ha! I’ve always wondered if someone could get away with that
 
Ha! I’ve always wondered if someone could get away with that


I'm kind of scared of going there next week or so. I really am. I'll be a bit paranoid and be looking at the employees to see if they're dialing in on me as I walk in. I'm friendly with one of the ladies who works there and I'll ask her how I should handle the situation. I expect her to shrug her shoulders and smile at me.
 
The United States has now passed 2,000 deaths from Covid-19.

We hit 1,000 deaths 48 hours ago. It took a month to go from 1 to 1,000. That’s exponential growth. New York alone reported 155 deaths since 10 am today.
 
They applauded Obama and he lied. They applauded Clinton and he lied. They applauded Hillary and she lied and she got people killed and should be in prison.

I’m talking about people in general. Congress is party aligned to a scary degree.
 
The United States has now passed 2,000 deaths from Covid-19.

We hit 1,000 deaths 48 hours ago. It took a month to go from 1 to 1,000. That’s exponential growth. New York alone reported 155 deaths since 10 am today.

The proximity of being close has not been their friend, unfortunately. That particular area accounts for close to half of the fatalities. And their migration affect is certainly not going to help things along.
 
And the liberals wouldn't support him no matter what he did either. Some of them literally did not clap/cheer during his SOTU speech when we was talking about record low unemployment amount AA's. That is CRAZY to me.

I think there are a few things to keep in mind here.

1.) I would absolutely applaud him if he did a great job handling this crisis. Typically American's come together at time of crisis, such as 9/11. The Republicans under George Bush repaid that with a phony war against Iraq that costs trillions of dollars and thousands of American lives. It was based on known false pretenses. At this point, no denying it now. It is what it is.

I am a liberal... and one area I have agreed with Trump is his anti-war stance. The problem is, those problems still haven't ceased. We are still in Syria, Iraq, and Afghanistan. It sounds like there planned troop reductions in the works, but we are STILL there. That was common ground I had with Trump, and supported him on.

I also fully support updating trade deals that are bad for our country. If a new NAFTA or TPP, or deal with China or the EU makes our workers better off, I am all for that.

2.) Economically, there is little he can do to appease liberals. Allow me to explain.

Conservatives and Liberals are simply too far apart on what the world should even look like that the results don't matter. If liberals just wanted to be the ones to tout low unemployment numbers, your premise would be true, which is that they didn't clap even though it was a good time to clap. Low African-American unemployment numbers are seemingly a good thing to clap about. They probably should have. It's not like I am upset about that figure, or deny it, but I have a deeper problems than that.

You don't understand liberals... His world, and your world, aren't what liberals want.

----We want a full green energy system. He wants to dig coal.
----We want universal health care (like the rest of the world). He wants the old way.
----We want tuition-free education (like the rest of the world). He wants the status quo which isn't working.
----We want expanded Social Security. His party wants to de-fund it to death.
----We want guaranteed time off, vacation days, better benefits. He wants the old way.
----We want policies put in place for more equitable wealth distribution. He does not. He wants the old way.
----We want huge corporate money out politics so these things can be achieved. They want to keep it the way it is.

Those are just a few examples related to economics and quality of life. I could go on all day. He is touting a successful stat from his world. His world has different metrics for success than what liberals envision.

In his world, if everyone is employed, that's a win. It doesn't matter if they:

A.) Have good healthcare or healthcare at all
B.) Have gigantic education debt or education at all... or got a good primary education
C.) Have any benefits at work
D.) Have any certain quality of life... just employment will do.
E.) Make anything more than $7.50 per hour
D.) Have any time off, work/life balance, etc.
F.) Are guaranteed any certain hours, full-time, part-time, whatever.. just having A job will do.
G.) Can afford any type of respectable housing
Etc....

31% of the country makes less than $12 an hour... throw in who makes $12.50, $13, $13.50, $14, etc... You get the picture. Roughly 42% of the country makes less than $15 an hour. That's a problem, to a liberal anyway.

Being employed (which is what you are touting) has only been a problem a few times in American history, through all different styles of leadership. That isn't the metric of success that liberals are looking for.

I would say being employed in some form or fashion is literally the bare minimum.
 
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