March Madness and Covid-19

[AdaSooner]

Re: March Madness and Covid-1

Things will take care of themselves at some point in time and we will once again return to what you see as "hoops board normalcy." Personally speaking, I would not script it as normal, but to each his own.

You’re always the voice of reason, sheepdogs1. I like that about you. People said that about me once. I’m a cranky old man now. Let that be a lesson to you.

 

[Darwin]

I was intensely concerned in mid January that this could happen here. As things progressed I was relieved to see improving numbers in China(if believable)but much more importantly Korea. Knowing that effective leadership in a open society could get a handle on it gave me a lot of hope and a expectation of acceptable results. The failures of Europe and the US between early January to mid February are responsible for our situation. End of February the bubble burst in the US, Pense put in charge and a understanding that testing, PPE's and ventilators were needed along with bending the curve. It's now one month later. I would like to say when this is over that heads will roll but all I should expect and demand is jobs will roll.

 

[thebigabd]

I was intensely concerned in mid January that this could happen here. As things progressed I was relieved to see improving numbers in China(if believable)but much more importantly Korea. Knowing that effective leadership in a open society could get a handle on it gave me a lot of hope and a expectation of acceptable results. The failures of Europe and the US between early January to mid February are responsible for our situation. End of February the bubble burst in the US, Pense put in charge and a understanding that testing, PPE's and ventilators were needed along with bending the curve. It's now one month later. I would like to say when this is over that heads will roll but all I should expect and demand is jobs will roll.

This is still very much an unfolding situation, and when all the facts come out you will see how poorly this was handled. That is not a political thing. It was either handled well or it wasn't.

Ultimately, it will come down to independent voters to make that decision at the polls. The conservative base won't criticize or vote against Trump even if he shot someone on 5th Avenue (his words, not mine).

 

[sheepdogs1]

This is still very much an unfolding situation, and when all the facts come out you will see how poorly this was handled. That is not a political thing. It was either handled well or it wasn't.

Ultimately, it will come down to independent voters to make that decision at the polls. The conservative base won't criticize or vote against Trump even if he shot someone on 5th Avenue (his words, not mine).

I've heard 60% of independents are happy with how the administration is dealing with the situation.

 

[MsProudSooner]

I've heard 60% of independents are happy with how the administration is dealing with the situation.

And I've read that if you compare the approval ratings of this administration in time of crisis to the approval ratings of other administrations in time of crisis, the ratings of this administration are much lower.

 

[sheepdogs1]

And I've read that if you compare the approval ratings of this administration in time of crisis to the approval ratings of other administrations in time of crisis, the ratings of this administration are much lower.

Which administrations are you referring to,MPS. You're using the plural form of the word administration thus you are alluding to more than one. Now how do you compare the crisis we face today to the crisis faced by Obama or Clinton etc. Were they much the same, worse or better? Which crisis caused the streets to be vacant like ghost towns? All of them, some of them or perhaps none of them?


And what do you think of the Biden sexual allegations. Do you believe the woman or not.

 

[MsProudSooner]

Which administrations are you referring to,MPS. You're using the plural form of the word administration thus you are alluding to more than one. Now how do you compare the crisis we face today to the crisis faced by Obama or Clinton etc. Were they much the same, worse or better? Which crisis caused the streets to be vacant like ghost towns? All of them, some of them or perhaps none of them?


And what do you think of the Biden sexual allegations. Do you believe the woman or not.

The first example that was cited was Bush's ratings after 9/11. His ratings were in the 90% range.

I have no idea if what she alleges is true or not. Do I think he's a Harvey Wienstein? No. I do know that anyone who can ignore the allegations against Trump yet be outraged over allegations against any one else is a world class hypocrite.

 

[sheepdogs1]

The first example that was cited was Bush's ratings after 9/11. His ratings were in the 90% range.

I have no idea if what she alleges is true or not. Do I think he's a Harvey Wienstein? No. I do know that anyone who can ignore the allegations against Trump yet be outraged over allegations against any one else is a world class hypocrite.

It does not take 90% approval to be reelected. Yup.

9/11 did not cause cities to be like ghost towns. Yup again.

The hypocrites would be those who use "convenience" to look the other way when it suits them, but nice try. More yups.

What national news organization have mentioned the recent allegations. Running low on yups.

Who ignored previous allegations. I know I didn't.

 

[MJSooner]

An interesting take on things from an Oxford study.

https://news.yahoo.com/oxford-study-suggests-millions-people-221100162.html

Interesting read. I also have seen a couple of other studies stating positive takes on both treatment and the virus.

It's just like Dr. Birx at the presser on Thursday warning the public believing the worst-case scenario models as definitive. Gov. Cuomo basically said the same thing is they are preparing for the worst, but hopes it never happens. I read an article on CNBC yesterday talking about San Francisco and saying their shelter in place appears to be working in controlling the numbers.

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/03/27/san...t-yet-overwhelmed-with-coronavirus-cases.html

Everyone knows I was one sounding the alarm 3 weeks ago, but trying not to overhype it. I didn't feel people were looking at the data and the facts and taking it way too lightly, including our government and their response. Now we are responding. It still isn't perfect and lacks foresight and coordination. But we have responded. And as much as we needed to look at data three weeks ago, it is also important to look at data now. Listen to Dr. Birx, the new Oxford study, the modified numbers from the Imperial College (which suggest their initial study was way too severe and extreme), listen to Dr. Levitt from Stanford, and look at the above reports from San Francisco, or more importantly, look at New Rochelle NY and their improvement after total lockdown. Look at countries like South Korea and see how they may be on the backside of their fight. Even countries like Italy, where there is a serious battle, is seeing the number of new cases start to flatten.

The point is, maybe the data is showing this virus, while incredibly contagious and more lethal than the flu, can be controlled with these measures, and isn't as severe as the initial projections.

 

[OUsky]

I do know that anyone who can ignore the allegations against Trump yet be outraged over allegations against any one else is a world class hypocrite.

Yup

 

[sheepdogs1]

Interesting read. I also have seen a couple of other studies stating positive takes on both treatment and the virus.

It's just like Dr. Birx at the presser on Thursday warning the public believing the worst-case scenario models as definitive. Gov. Cuomo basically said the same thing is they are preparing for the worst, but hopes it never happens. I read an article on CNBC yesterday talking about San Francisco and saying their shelter in place appears to be working in controlling the numbers.

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/03/27/san...t-yet-overwhelmed-with-coronavirus-cases.html

Everyone knows I was one sounding the alarm 3 weeks ago, but trying not to overhype it. I didn't feel people were looking at the data and the facts and taking it way too lightly, including our government and their response. Now we are responding. It still isn't perfect and lacks foresight and coordination. But we have responded. And as much as we needed to look at data three weeks ago, it is also important to look at data now. Listen to Dr. Birx, the new Oxford study, the modified numbers from the Imperial College (which suggest their initial study was way too severe and extreme), listen to Dr. Levitt from Stanford, and look at the above reports from San Francisco, or more importantly, look at New Rochelle NY and their improvement after total lockdown. Look at countries like South Korea and see how they may be on the backside of their fight. Even countries like Italy, where there is a serious battle, is seeing the number of new cases start to flatten.

The point is, maybe the data is showing this virus, while incredibly contagious and more lethal than the flu, can be controlled with these measures, and isn't as severe as the initial projections.

I think Italy has 6 days where the number of new cases are below the peak or highest number logged. Surely, they have more improvement to go, but I am hoping we can do the same by some time next week (fingers crossed).

 

[AdaSooner]

I think Italy has 6 days where the number of new cases are below the peak or highest number logged. Surely, they have more improvement to go, but I am hoping we can do the same by some time next week (fingers crossed).

It’s too early to get let our guard down, but these positive signs are encouraging. I saw a news brief on television this morning about the progress in New Rochelle, N.Y. as a result of sensible practices like social distancing. I couldn’t find a link to the story online that didn’t require me to register and sign up for a subscription.

 

[Darwin]

I understand why my post was thought political but politicians don't know medicine. If the experts knew their stuff they would make sure somebody up the chain was taking proper action. I would imagine the Trump staff must have wanted assurances proper steps were underway down the chain so we can't assume where the blame lies till this is reviewed at the proper time. But we do know the issues were known by the end of February and the Korean model was in plain view so we can judge the response. Did everyone put the gas pedal to the metal, gather all the best people day one, issued instructions to industry day two. All this at the end of February because factories take time?

 

[AdaSooner]

I understand why my post was thought political but politicians don't know medicine. If the experts knew their stuff they would make sure somebody up the chain was taking proper action. I would imagine the Trump staff must have wanted assurances proper steps were underway down the chain so we can't assume where the blame lies till this is reviewed at the proper time. But we do know the issues were known by the end of February and the Korean model was in plain view so we can judge the response. Did everyone put the gas pedal to the metal, gather all the best people day one, issued instructions to industry day two. All this at the end of February because factories take time?

Darwin, it’s way too late to worry about a political post. This thread crashed through that barricade like a freight train plowing through a grocery cart roughly forty pages ago.

 

[stormspencer]

Interesting development, but still in the infancy stage for treatment.

https://twitter.com/rkwadhera/status/1243612614975873024

 

[stormspencer]

Abbott also stepping up to the plate:

https://abbott.mediaroom.com/2020-03-27-Abbott-Launches-Molecular-Point-of-Care-Test-to-Detect-Novel-Coronavirus-in-as-Little-as-Five-Minutes

https://twitter.com/ScottGottliebMD/status/1243696001958981632

 

[sheepdogs1]

Abbott also stepping up to the plate:

https://abbott.mediaroom.com/2020-03-27-Abbott-Launches-Molecular-Point-of-Care-Test-to-Detect-Novel-Coronavirus-in-as-Little-as-Five-Minutes

https://twitter.com/ScottGottliebMD/status/1243696001958981632

And this absolutely flies in the face of those who took the position that the private sector participants would cloud the issue. No, it does quite the opposite. The larger entities involved will not use this opportunity to price gouge but use it as an opportunity to keep some of their workers employed. Small stores selling supplies needed such as hand sanitizers are a different story altogether.

 

[MJSooner]

I think Italy has 6 days where the number of new cases are below the peak or highest number logged. Surely, they have more improvement to go, but I am hoping we can do the same by some time next week (fingers crossed).

The trend lines have shown we are 2-3 weeks behind Italy, which would correlate to what most governors and mayors project their cities to hit the apex. It is also a reason why Mayor Holt and Mayor Bynum issued the safer at home restrictions effective today until April 16th for OKC and Tulsa.

BTW, one discouraging data point. All those out there that said we couldn't trust the numbers and as we tested more, the mortality rate would decrease. As of today, the mortality rate has gone up to 1.65%. I think at one point the U.S. was as low as 1.10%.

 

[sheepdogs1]

The trend lines have shown we are 2-3 weeks behind Italy, which would correlate to what most governors and mayors project their cities to hit the apex. It is also a reason why Mayor Holt and Mayor Bynum issued the safer at home restrictions effective today until April 16th for OKC and Tulsa.

BTW, one discouraging data point. All those out there that said we couldn't trust the numbers and as we tested more, the mortality rate would decrease. As of today, the mortality rate has gone up to 1.65%. I think at one point the U.S. was as low as 1.10%.

The mortality rates are like Mexican jumping beans. If you place any value in the Oxford study then these people are not being inputed into the mortality rate equation. Secondly, the number of deaths is more accurately known than those infected and this causes for an inaccurate quotient. If one had to choose they would logically gather the number is smaller than reported as opposed to larger. Of course as Steverocks35 would maintain, those individuals infected will end up in the numerator of the quotient to a degree.

 

[WTSooner]

This is still very much an unfolding situation, and when all the facts come out you will see how poorly this was handled. That is not a political thing. It was either handled well or it wasn't.

Ultimately, it will come down to independent voters to make that decision at the polls. The conservative base won't criticize or vote against Trump even if he shot someone on 5th Avenue (his words, not mine).

And the liberals wouldn't support him no matter what he did either. Some of them literally did not clap/cheer during his SOTU speech when we was talking about record low unemployment amount AA's. That is CRAZY to me.