March Madness and Covid-19

[coolm]

B is only acceptable after enough testing gives health officials a map of hot and cool spots.

true, but you have to take that one step further because if you don't isolate those spots from one another then they just migrate and you never stop it. falwell opened liberty U back up in defiance and now they have many students testing positive ... and when he closes that campus again and sends them home he will be spreading the virus precisely in the manner we wished to avoid. PLUS he's mixing the various local strains which is bad and good. it can strengthen adaptive immunity, but reinfections might skew our numbers.

 

[coolm]

And B is the way South Korea was able to manage their situation, with heavy, heavy testing. They were able to isolate and restrict those individuals with positive testing, even publishing those positive tests and hot spots to the public

and this worked there because those people arent a bunch of burger kingers like we have in the US. they isolated and let the virus be contained. we fail to do that here.

 

[sheepdogs1]

And B is the way South Korea was able to manage their situation, with heavy, heavy testing. They were able to isolate and restrict those individuals with positive testing, even publishing those positive tests and hot spots to the public

We are a long way from that as doctors and hospitals are basically telling those with mild symptoms to stay home because they don't have enough tests. The treatment is the same with a positive test or a suspected case anyway.

Until we get a post-care treatment drug to the public and mass testing to "anybody that wants a test can get a test" my guess is we will continue to see restrictions and shutdowns.

As I understand it South Korea has dealt with past outbreaks such a SARS and because of it they have had an edge in fighting the current virus. If they had not been faced with this previous experience it would be a different ball game and they would likely be in the same boat as the rest of us. Their ability to track those infected, as an example, is not new to them. Practice makes perfect and we have had less practice (how big is your yard-golf reference).

 

[BCSooners]

As I understand it South Korea has dealt with past outbreaks such a SARS and because of it they have had an edge in fighting the current virus. If they had not been faced with this previous experience it would be a different ball game and they would likely be in the same boat as the rest of us. Their ability to track those infected, as an example, is not new to them. Practice makes perfect and we have had less practice (how big is your yard-golf reference).

They were also prepared for it because they had a plan in place & executed it. We did not, and now that we kind of do we aren’t executing it well and are all over the place on what we should be doing.

 

[sheepdogs1]

They were also prepared for it because they had a plan in place & executed it. We did not, and now that we kind of do we aren’t executing it well and are all over the place on what we should be doing.

And it was based on past experience.

Those who practice their craft generally have different results than those who do not. If they had no previous experience it would be a stretch to think they would be better off than others. To many unknowns to state such a case. Look at a "pit crew" with experience versus complete newbs.

 

[Darwin]

And it was based on past experience.

Those who practice their craft generally have different results than those who do not. If they had no previous experience it would be a stretch to think they would be better off than others. To many unknowns to state such a case.

hard to follow please use specifics

 

[sheepdogs1]

hard to follow please use specifics

The country which all look to as a model for response is a country which has had much experience with viral outbreaks (testing, tracking contagious citizens, hospital preparation). Countries which have had the worst results are those which did not.

 

[BCSooners]

And it was based on past experience.

So because they had a SARS outbreak in 2015 it makes them this much better than us on how to deal with a Pandemic? They had 186 cases & 38 deaths in their pandemic you’re talking about, so they were able to handle that one very well also.

Maybe we should’ve:
• had an organization in place for this
• universal plan for the whole country to abide
• took warnings & start preparing when this was getting reported

We started obtains test kits weeks after S Korea, even though both countries confirmed its first case on the same day.

 

[WaymanFan]

Is there any sort of compromise option between the two groups?

Group A: Shut everything down for a period of time to stop people from catching and being killed by the virus.

Group B: Open things back up, practice good hand hygiene and social distancing, get a lot of ventilators, and protect the economy and try to minimize damage of the virus.

Unfortunately, we're operating in Group C: Arbitrarily keep certain stores open because they technically meet the definition of "essential business" even though they no longer have any essential supplies in-stock which Americans presently NEED for daily survival (ex: Lowe's and Home Depot). As for Walmart and Target, why are any sections of those stores open besides the grocery and pharmacy sections? Drive by any of those 4 aforementioned stores and see near-full parking lots. As long as this continues, the infected count will continue to skyrocket.

 

[sheepdogs1]

So because they had a SARS outbreak in 2015 it makes them this much better than us on how to deal with a Pandemic?

Maybe we should’ve:
• had an organization in place for this
• universal plan for the whole country to abide
• took warnings & start preparing when this was getting reported

We started obtains test kits weeks after S Korea, even though both countries confirmed its first case on the same day.

Our system was not prepared to handle what we have presently. If we had a run at this previously then having x amount of this or x mount of that would likely be different. If you want to believe South Korea's past experience has been of no help to them that is fine.

There are many articles which makes the same point and this is just one.


https://thebulletin.org/2020/03/sou...gy-from-a-previous-coronavirus-outbreak-mers/

 

[coolm]

Countries which have had the worst results are those which did not.

hmmm ... thx to whom? the bunch of burger kingers who can't seem to follow rules because they insist that they know better. we DO have experts in these matters.

 

[WTSooner]

even though they no longer have any essential supplies in-stock which Americans presently NEED for daily survival (ex: Lowe's and Home Depot).

That is not true. VERY few things are currently sold out for more than a couple of days. Even TP is starting to find itself back to shelves. Hand sanitizer and disinfecting wipes are the exception. I'd argue 97%+ of what Lowe's and HD sell is fully stocked.

 

[MJSooner]

Unfortunately, we're operating in Group C: Arbitrarily keep certain stores open because they technically meet the definition of "essential business" even though they no longer have any essential supplies in-stock which Americans presently NEED for daily survival (ex: Lowe's and Home Depot). As for Walmart and Target, why are any sections of those stores open besides the grocery and pharmacy sections? Drive by any of those 4 aforementioned stores and see near-full parking lots. As long as this continues, the infected count will continue to skyrocket.

I agree with your general premise that too many places are open and free without restrictions compared to what is closed. For example, I cannot take my son to the park and shoot hoops because the sports courts are considered closed. I cannot go to any golf course and hit balls by myself as municipal courses are closed. If my son was on his own and lived by himself, he technically couldn't bring a girlfriend to our house for dinner because any social gatherings are prohibited.

Yet you can go to any Target, Walmart, or Lowes and see a hundred people. You can go to a cannabis shop in OK since MJ is for medical use, it is essential. The bans and restrictions don't make sense. But at the same time, you can't limit parts of the store. Does that mean Walgreens or CVS has to shut their makeup, card section, candy section, and photo areas too? It is too hard to control and regulate it, if open.

My point is the officials are trying with restrictions but ultimately it is the public that has to control this. It is hard from going to a free society without limits to staying in your house. That is the struggle.

But looking at the slow of the spread compared to two weeks ago, where the percentage of increase of daily cases has slowed down in places like NY, and seeing where hospitalizations have slowed in SF, the restrictions are working. The question is will they work fast enough to prevent overload.

 

[BCSooners]

Our system was not prepared to handle what we have presently. If we had a run at this previously then having x amount of this or x mount of that would likely be different. If you want to believe South Korea's past experience has been of no help to them that is fine.

There are many articles which makes the same point and this is just one.


https://thebulletin.org/2020/03/sou...gy-from-a-previous-coronavirus-outbreak-mers/

They had 186 cases & 38 deaths. This definitely made them more prepared, but they also had departments at that time & were vigilant to stop the spread.

We are not being vigilant. If there are articles written on how South Korea handled this so well then why aren’t we following their playbook?

 

[WaymanFan]

That is not true. VERY few things are currently sold out for more than a couple of days. Even TP is starting to find itself back to shelves. Hand sanitizer and disinfecting wipes are the exception. I'd argue 97%+ of what Lowe's and HD sell is fully stocked.

Of course. I can get mulch, grass seed, a garden rake, and every other kind of outdoor home equipment I may need. No one has been able to tell me why those are essential living items. I'm not advocating we just shut everything down. What I don't like is the arbitrary nature of what gets shut down and what doesn't. A month or two from now, who knows how many small businesses in America will be unable to re-open. Yet combined, most of the ones which will be unable to re-open don't get 1/100th of the foot traffic a garden center gets at Lowe's or Home Depot. "Oh well" :-(

 

[steverocks35]

They had 186 cases & 38 deaths. This definitely made them more prepared, but they also had departments at that time & were vigilant to stop the spread.

We are not being vigilant. If there are articles written on how South Korea handled this so well then why aren’t we following their playbook?

We have a playbook put together here in America by public health and IC experts after Ebola and H1N1. I'll let you guess whether or not we followed it.

 

[sheepdogs1]

They had 186 cases & 38 deaths. This definitely made them more prepared, but they also had departments at that time & were vigilant to stop the spread.

We are not being vigilant. If there are articles written on how South Korea handled this so well then why aren’t we following their playbook?

Some of these answers can be found within yourself. Which countries did as they did? All, some, few if any. I look to the logic that are things and many things are not logical such as people.

 

[sheepdogs1]

We have a playbook put together here in America by public health and IC experts after Ebola and H1N1. I'll let you guess whether or not we followed it.

None of those things were on the same scale as what we wake up to everyday or do you see things differently.

Which previous administration, take your pick, was prepared for such a cataclysmic event.

And one more time with feeling. Which states have closed down their Lowes' and Home Depot's

 

[steverocks35]

None of those things were on the same scale as what we wake up to everyday or do you see things differently.

Which previous administration, take your pick, was prepared for such a cataclysmic event.

And one more time with feeling. Which states have closed down their Lowes' and Home Depot's

Lol, you were just telling us that South Korea's response was amazing because they dealt with SARS.

And Google is your friend...

 

[sheepdogs1]

Of course. I can get mulch, grass seed, a garden rake, and every other kind of outdoor home equipment I may need. No one has been able to tell me why those are essential living items. I'm not advocating we just shut everything down. What I don't like is the arbitrary nature of what gets shut down and what doesn't. A month or two from now, who knows how many small businesses in America will be unable to re-open. Yet combined, most of the ones which will be unable to re-open don't get 1/100th of the foot traffic a garden center gets at Lowe's or Home Depot. "Oh well" :-(

Maybe some of these items are in short supply because people are trying to change their way of life to include things which will keep them busy and at the same time not be hazardous to their health. Are you holding this against people?