March Madness and Covid-19

[coolm]

We have a playbook put together here in America by public health and IC experts after Ebola and H1N1. I'll let you guess whether or not we followed it.

it's kinda hard to "follow the book" when you've fired everyone who is supposed to oversee its' implementation PLUS you have spent 3 years telling people to pay no mind to experts. the people have NO source of information which they feel confident in following due to this ignorant charade about everything being "fake news".

 

[WTSooner]

Of course. I can get mulch, grass seed, a garden rake, and every other kind of outdoor home equipment I may need. No one has been able to tell me why those are essential living items. I'm not advocating we just shut everything down. What I don't like is the arbitrary nature of what gets shut down and what doesn't. A month or two from now, who knows how many small businesses in America will be unable to re-open. Yet combined, most of the ones which will be unable to re-open don't get 1/100th of the foot traffic a garden center gets at Lowe's or Home Depot. "Oh well" :-(

Eh, I don't think it was very arbitrary. Basically it was entertainment. Period. Bars. Places like Main Event, Dave & Busters, bowling alleys, pool halls, stuff like that. And I suppose the other two I'm aware of are nail salons and hair places. I'm not aware of anything other industries that were told they must shut down. Churches, too.

I do wish some of the bigger places would either limit the number of people allowed inside at one time or go to curbside delivery. The curbside would be tough for something like Lowe's though, depending on what folks were shopping for.

First time the world has experienced this. No country is going to get 100% right, and every country is different. The US is build largely on freedoms. People don't like having that taken away. If more needs to be done, it's going to have to be a mandatory quarantine. But even then, people are allowed to go get food and medicine.

 

[steverocks35]

it's kinda hard to "follow the book" when you've fired everyone who is supposed to oversee its' implementation PLUS you have spent 3 years telling people to pay no mind to experts. the people have NO source of information which they feel confident in following due to this ignorant charade about everything being "fake news".

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[sheepdogs1]

Lol, you were just telling us that South Korea's response was amazing because they dealt with SARS.

And Google is your friend...

Okay it was MERS. Heard of pedantics?


What a petty response, but you do what you have to do. I thought you were better than this.

Will Google help to understand that being trite is not a trait to embellish.

 

[WaymanFan]

But at the same time, you can't limit parts of the store. Does that mean Walgreens or CVS has to shut their makeup, card section, candy section, and photo areas too? It is too hard to control and regulate it, if open.

You made a lot of great points in your reply, but I'll quote the part which may not be as difficult as you claim. Walmart, for example, has a clear section for their food and pharmacy. I don't see how it would be difficult to block off 75% of the store. If someone needs pots, pans, washcloths, etc, is here a reason they can't be ordered online? I get there is a small segment of the population which does not have a computer in their house...but would they not know anyone who can order for them?

As stated prior, I'm not for shutting everything down. I'm just failing to see why thousands and thousands of small businesses will have to go bankrupt since they cannot do business while thousands and thousands of people can prance thru a Walmart location on a given day to shop in Garden Centers or Bathroom Décor sections.

 

[steverocks35]

Okay it was MERS. Heard of pedantics?


What a petty response, but you do what you have to do. I thought you were better than this.

Huh? MERS is Middle East Respiratory Syndrome. South Korea had a SARS outbreak.

 

[steverocks35]

Eh, I don't think it was very arbitrary. Basically it was entertainment. Period. Bars. Places like Main Event, Dave & Busters, bowling alleys, pool halls, stuff like that. And I suppose the other two I'm aware of are nail salons and hair places. I'm not aware of anything other industries that were told they must shut down. Churches, too.

I do wish some of the bigger places would either limit the number of people allowed inside at one time or go to curbside delivery. The curbside would be tough for something like Lowe's though, depending on what folks were shopping for.

First time the world has experienced this. No country is going to get 100% right, and every country is different. The US is build largely on freedoms. People don't like having that taken away. If more needs to be done, it's going to have to be a mandatory quarantine. But even then, people are allowed to go get food and medicine.

Man I didn't think it was possible, but I totally agree with you. Good post.

 

[sheepdogs1]

Huh? MERS is Middle East Respiratory Syndrome. South Korea had a SARS outbreak.

Then what is your point. There are many articles which state how they benefited from this experience to deal with future outbreaks.

 

[steverocks35]

Then what is your point. There are many articles which state how they benefited from this experience to deal with future outbreaks.

My point is that you made a big deal out of South Korea's experience dealing with a relatively minor SARS outbreak and then downplayed our experience dealing with the Ebola and H1N1 outbreaks. It's very inconsistent.

 

[MJSooner]

You made a lot of great points in your reply, but I'll quote the part which may not be as difficult as you claim. Walmart, for example, has a clear section for their food and pharmacy. I don't see how it would be difficult to block off 75% of the store. If someone needs pots, pans, washcloths, etc, is here a reason they can't be ordered online? I get there is a small segment of the population which does not have a computer in their house...but would they not know anyone who can order for them?

As stated prior, I'm not for shutting everything down. I'm just failing to see why thousands and thousands of small businesses will have to go bankrupt since they cannot do business while thousands and thousands of people can prance thru a Walmart location on a given day to shop in Garden Centers or Bathroom Décor sections.

Agree with you 1000% here. And even though Congress passed bills to help small businesses get through and the government is encouraging businesses to not get rid of employees, it is happening.

My son works as a medical/office assistant in a medical office that has about 10-12 locations across mostly the Southwest, 6-8 employees per office. They laid him off along with 20% of their employees as patients are not coming in as often. They probably didn't just furlough the staff as they have a fear that even once restrictions are lifted, people will still curtail their elective visits and won't be as it was 2 months ago. This will be true with a lot of restaurants and retailers. Yet the Amazons, Walmarts, Krogers, Targets, 3Ms, and other large businesses will thrive and survive.

 

[BCSooners]

it's kinda hard to "follow the book" when you've fired everyone who is supposed to oversee its' implementation PLUS you have spent 3 years telling people to pay no mind to experts. the people have NO source of information which they feel confident in following due to this ignorant charade about everything being "fake news".

Bingo

 

[BCSooners]

None of those things were on the same scale as what we wake up to everyday or do you see things differently.

Which previous administration, take your pick, was prepared for such a cataclysmic event.

And one more time with feeling. Which states have closed down their Lowes' and Home Depot's

H1N1 in the US was way bigger than MERS in South Korea. Why did we get rid of the organization in charge of this when we had a huge outbreak 11 years ago?

 

[steverocks35]

H1N1 in the US was way bigger than MERS in South Korea. Why did we get rid of the organization in charge of this when we had a huge outbreak 11 years ago?

Nobody seems to know.

 

[WTSooner]

https://techstartups.com/2020/03/28...tXrA6VhyalI7cU9B4sn-fvpUZLoWXBqPPZO4VbO5oaxck

 

[sheepdogs1]

My point is that you made a big deal out of South Korea's experience dealing with a relatively minor SARS outbreak and then downplayed our experience dealing with the Ebola and H1N1 outbreaks. It's very inconsistent.

You stated Ebola was not a crisis here. Was SARS more of a domestic issue for South Korea than Ebola was for us. And there are plenty of articles which states South Korea learned from their outbreak.

Lastly, what made us better prepared for the virus today as it relates to equipment and supplies if we should have learned from the past as well. What essentially occurred during previous administrations that led them to have these supplies but are now in short supply.

 

[steverocks35]

https://techstartups.com/2020/03/28...tXrA6VhyalI7cU9B4sn-fvpUZLoWXBqPPZO4VbO5oaxck

Lmao, I clicked on the links, the sources are other stories from the same website. They use the other stories that they wrote as sources. Then when I clicked on the link in the "source" story it linked back to the story I was reading! Genius!

One link about zinc talks about treating a completely different disease, RSV. How is that relevant?

 

[steverocks35]

You stated Ebola was not a crisis here. Was SARS more of a domestic issue for South Korea than Ebola was for us. And there are plenty of articles which states South Korea learned from their outbreak.

Lastly, what made us better prepared for the virus today as it relates to equipment and supplies if we should have learned from the past as well. What essentially occurred during previous administrations that led them to have these supplies but are now in short supply.

Ebola AND H1N1, why did you leave that out?

 

[WTSooner]

Lmao, I clicked on the links, the sources are other stories from the same website. They use the other stories that they wrote as sources. Then when I clicked on the link in the "source" story it linked back to the story I was reading! Genius!

One link about zinc talks about treating a completely different disease, RSV. How is that relevant?

Does any of that mean the premise of the article isn't true?

 

[steverocks35]

Does any of that mean the premise of the article isn't true?

It means that the article is not backed up by any credible sourcing.

 

[sheepdogs1]

Ebola AND H1N1, why did you leave that out?

I just mentioned Ebola. There were times where I mentioned Lowes but not Home Depot. Does the litany of items have to be enumerated to always make a point? No. Even if I listed these outbreaks our past administration did not prepare us from being subjected to a crunch in tangible items. Yes or no.

Did the previous administration have the proper supplies and equipment to handle Covid-19. No.

From a militaristic approach if you have a plan to take a hill and you have no supplies or equipment then what value does the strategy have. Not much for they work in tandem and we both realize this.