March Madness and Covid-19

[steverocks35]

I just mentioned Ebola. There were times where I mentioned Lowes but not Home Depot. Does the litany of items have to be enumerated to always make a point? No. Even if I listed these outbreaks our past administration did not prepare us from being subjected to a crunch in tangible items. Yes or no.

Did the previous administration have the proper supplies and equipment to handle Covid-19. No.

From a militaristic approach if you have a plan to take a hill and you have no supplies or equipment then what value does the strategy have. Not much for they work in tandem and we both realize this.

WTF are you talking about? The previous administration admitted that they learned a great deal by responding to both Ebola and H1N1 and that's why they had experts in the field write a "playbook" so that a future administration could more easily deal with a public health crisis.

 

[WTSooner]

It means that the article is not backed up by any credible sourcing.

lol, the source is the doctor who is on the front lines providing this treatment. He speaks in the video embedded in the story. There is no better source for this story than the doctor who is treating patients and seeing results in line with what the story says.

Sure, at some point there will need to be some outside verification, but you are basically calling the man a liar, no?

 

[steverocks35]

lol, the source is the doctor who is on the front lines providing this treatment. He speaks in the video embedded in the story. There is no better source for this story than the doctor who is treating patients and seeing results in line with what the story says.

Sure, at some point there will need to be some outside verification, but you are basically calling the man a liar, no?

Does any of that mean the premise of the article isn't true?

Looks like that doctor is a con-man.



"Fox News host Laura Ingraham has deleted a tweet touting an unproven coronavirus treatment that a Twitter spokesperson said today ran afoul of its rules against misleading health information.

Ingraham earlier this month tweeted praise for hydroxychloroquine, an anti-malaria drug championed by President Donald Trump as a potential treatment for the virus, despite little evidence to that effect.

In the March 20 tweet, Ingraham claimed that the drug was already in use in “many hospitals,” including at Lenox Hill in New York, and was showing “very promising results,” according to a screenshot viewed by POLITICO. The tweet referenced a segment on the host’s prime-time show that erroneously attributed information to a Lenox Hill doctor who in fact does not work at the facility.

Fox News later issued a correction saying the segment had misstated the doctor's relationship to the hospital. A network spokesperson did not immediately respond to a request for comment today."

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/03/30/twitter-laura-ingraham-coronavirus-misinformation-155731

 

[steverocks35]

Oh look, what a surprise, Giuliani too!


"Twitter separately required Trump lawyer Rudy Giuliani to delete a post for making a number of erroneous statements, including calling hydroxychloroquine "100% effective" in treating Covid-19, the site Mediaite reported Saturday. Under Twitter policy, accounts can be locked until tweets that run afoul of its rules are deleted. Giuliani has since posted several other tweets touting the drug.

The social media giants in recent weeks have beefed up their policies against misleading claims amid the outbreak. In another enforcement action, Google recently removed the far-right show Infowars from its Android App for spreading coronavirus misinformation."

 

[BCSooners]

I just mentioned Ebola. There were times where I mentioned Lowes but not Home Depot. Does the litany of items have to be enumerated to always make a point? No. Even if I listed these outbreaks our past administration did not prepare us from being subjected to a crunch in tangible items. Yes or no.

Did the previous administration have the proper supplies and equipment to handle Covid-19. No.

From a militaristic approach if you have a plan to take a hill and you have no supplies or equipment then what value does the strategy have. Not much for they work in tandem and we both realize this.

The last administration created the Pandemic First Response program. This program was cut in 2018.

 

[sheepdogs1]

WTF are you talking about? The previous administration admitted that they learned a great deal by responding to both Ebola and H1N1 and that's why they had experts in the field write a "playbook" so that a future administration could more easily deal with a public health crisis.

A good strategy requires supplies. Did the past administration have ample supplies. No. Thank you. You might have the knowledge to replace a rod in an engine, but if you do not have the rod then you are up a creek w/o a paddle. The knowledge and tools work hand in hand. Not having one precludes the other.

 

[steverocks35]

A good strategy requires supplies. Did the past administration have ample supplies. No. Thank you. You might have the knowledge to replace a rod in an engine, but if you do not have the rod then you are up a creek w/o a paddle. The knowledge and tools work hand in hand.

We had 2 months to start manufacturing supplies, because Trump was briefed in January by our experts in the CDC and the Intelligence Community that this was going to be a pandemic. But he did nothing except issue a travel ban. In fact he did worse than that, he disbanded the group in the NSC tasked with handling pandemics. The big advantage that we had was 2 months to prepare, we squandered it. Fact.

 

[sheepdogs1]

The last administration created the Pandemic First Response program. This program was cut in 2018.

What % was cut. It was made less effective by how much?

 

[steverocks35]

What % was cut. It was made less effective by how much?

Cut as in disbanded. Completely gotten rid of.
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/trump-fire-pandemic-team/

 

[sheepdogs1]

We had 2 months to start manufacturing supplies, because Trump was briefed in January by our experts in the CDC and the Intelligence Community that this was going to be a pandemic. But he did nothing except issue a travel ban. In fact he did worse than that, he disbanded the group in the NSC tasked with handling pandemics. The big advantage that we had was 2 months to prepare, we squandered it. Fact.

But you said previous administration learned its lesson. Was their lesson learned to not have enough items on hand.

As previously stated, MSM stated that two months ago the virus was no worse than the flu. If there are those with their face in their hands then how does that help alleviate a situation which requires all hands on deck?

 

[thebigabd]

I think this is the point that is forgotten in a lot of this conversation. In many, if not the majority of cases, businesses, organizations, universities, public schools, and meetings were postponed/canceled/stay-at-home BEFORE the government restrictions.

There are those that want to say the government should reopen before it destroys the economy, but the reality is what the government does at this point is only impacting what we do on our own time, for the most part. The businesses, universities, organizations, and schools are not going to reopen or go back to normal just because Gov. Stitt or Mayor Holt and Mayor Bynum said there are no restrictions.

Unless I missed it, this is the only response to my question, right? I was hoping mict would answer it, or sheepdogs.

 

[BCSooners]

A good strategy requires supplies. Did the past administration have ample supplies. No. Thank you. You might have the knowledge to replace a rod in an engine, but if you do not have the rod then you are up a creek w/o a paddle. The knowledge and tools work hand in hand. Not having one precludes the other.

A good strategy would be early & often testing. South Korea was testing quickly & quarantined the ones sick & kept testing, that’s how they are already on the downside of this. We vastly downplayed the situation & made restrictions once it was already out of hand. We are low on supplies because we didn’t keep the amount infected under the amount of resources we have.

South Korea was informed & got their 1st confirmed case on the exact same day. They got their sh*t together, we compared it to the flu (even though we don’t have a vaccine like the flu).

 

[steverocks35]

But you said previous administration learned its lesson. Was their lesson learned to not have enough items on hand.

As previously stated, MSM stated that two months ago the virus was no worse than the flu. If there are those with their face in their hands then how does that help alleviate a situation which requires all hands on deck?

Are you seriously trying to blame the administration that's been out of office for 3 years for the fact that Trump was too slow to respond to the pandemic by not ramping up production of ventilators and PPE? That's pathetic.

 

[BCSooners]

What % was cut. It was made less effective by how much?

The program was eliminated.

 

[steverocks35]

A good strategy would be early & often testing. South Korea was testing quickly & quarantined the ones sick & kept testing, that’s how they are already on the downside of this. We vastly downplayed the situation & made restrictions once it was already out of hand. We are low on supplies because we didn’t keep the amount infected under the amount of resources we have.

This is correct, and that was the advice in the playbook that was ignored.

 

[steverocks35]

By the way, PPE has a shelf-life. You can't just store them for years and break them out when you need them. We have expired N-95 masks here that we use to train people how to fit them, because we don't want to waste masks that aren't expired.

 

[sheepdogs1]

Are you seriously trying to blame the administration that's been out of office for 3 years for the fact that Trump was too slow to respond to the pandemic by not ramping up production of ventilators and PPE? That's pathetic.

How many patients dependent on ventilators are without? Bureaucracies have their faults and they are not just limited to republican ones.

 

[BCSooners]

This is correct, and that was the advice in the playbook that was ignored.

That’s really disappointing knowing we could be on the downswing of this already, instead we haven’t peaked.

 

[steverocks35]

How many patients dependent on ventilators are without? Bureaucracies have their faults and they are not just limited to republican ones.

They're without ventilators because Trump didn't get us the testing we needed and refused to invoke the Defense Production Act until it was too late.

 

[sheepdogs1]

A good strategy would be early & often testing. South Korea was testing quickly & quarantined the ones sick & kept testing, that’s how they are already on the downside of this. We vastly downplayed the situation & made restrictions once it was already out of hand. We are low on supplies because we didn’t keep the amount infected under the amount of resources we have.

South Korea was informed & got their 1st confirmed case on the exact same day. They got their sh*t together, we compared it to the flu (even though we don’t have a vaccine like the flu).

They utilized measures to follow their citizens which you do not find in a democracy like ours.