March Madness and Covid-19

[thebigabd]

On the police side of things.... I have great respect and empathy for them. They are being asked to enforce mission impossible.

Our common knowledge of police is that they are there to "protect and serve".... Basically, they are there to enforce laws and keep our cities, towns, etc safe from bad behavior.

But is that true? What are they really policing? Think about some of the numbers here...

• The US is the most heavily armed population in the world
• Americans are the most heavily medicated society in the world
• Americans have the highest use of illegal drugs in the world
• We basically have permanent racial underclasses
• 45% of the country makes less than $15 an hour (meaning they are poor)
• Millions of Americans are evicted from their homes every year
• Wages are stagnant
• Costs of healthcare and education are soaring
• Over the last few decades millions of good jobs got sold off for what is essentially slave labor in China, Mexico, and other places.

These are systemic problems that absolutely have an impact on a police force. They are basically being asked to keep a broken society in line.

People are armed, poor, desperate, caught in generational poverty, bad schools, poor education, etc.

I am not sure you can fix the police problem without fixing what makes it so hard to police in the first place.

 

[sheepdogs1]

It's interesting I guess to think about. But I'd never ponder that murder is an ok option.

I have been thinking and praying a lot about this lately and my own prejudices.

What I have found is that the things that turn me off to the protests are when they aren't founded in truth. Yes I believe there is a racial biased. But if any facts are brought up showing another side of the argument, I'm a racist. If I point out that studies show that black cops are more likely to kill blacks, I'm racist. And I know people don't like to hear it, but a lot of the black people being used as martyrs for the cause were not innocent. If it is a white cop and a black person, it is automatically racism. But that isn't reality. I understand why they jump to those conclusions. But my mind can't think like that. I like to find the truth. I hate believing in things off emotions because emotions are deceptive.


I pray for justice, peace, and truth to shine

Another example would be the black sociology professor at Harvard who found, through intensive researching of data, that white people were 100% more likely to be shot at by cops versus blacks. I do not understand how agendas and narratives are solely based on reality or fact. Emotion? Yessem.

 

[sheepdogs1]

On the police side of things.... I have great respect and empathy for them. They are being asked to enforce mission impossible.

Our common knowledge of police is that they are there to "protect and serve".... Basically, they are there to enforce laws and keep our cities, towns, etc safe from bad behavior.

But is that true? What are they really policing? Think about some of the numbers here...

• The US is the most heavily armed population in the world
• Americans are the most heavily medicated society in the world
• Americans have the highest use of illegal drugs in the world
• We basically have permanent racial underclasses
• 45% of the country makes less than $15 an hour (meaning they are poor)
• Millions of Americans are evicted from their homes every year
• Wages are stagnant
• Costs of healthcare and education are soaring
• Over the last few decades millions of good jobs got sold off for what is essentially slave labor in China, Mexico, and other places.

These are systemic problems that absolutely have an impact on a police force. They are basically being asked to keep a broken society in line.

People are armed, poor, desperate, caught in generational poverty, bad schools, poor education, etc.

I am not sure you can fix the police problem without fixing what makes it so hard to police in the first place.

Very good point. Perhaps family and education would be a starting point.

 

[SoonerBounce13]

Family is the first society. If you get it right, society will prosper. Get it wrong...watch out.

People won't like it but the family needs to be restored.
Wages need adjusted so women can afford to stay home and raise children.

 

[sheepdogs1]

Family is the first society. If you get it right, society will prosper. Get it wrong...watch out.

People won't like it but the family needs to be restored.
Wages need adjusted so women can afford to stay home and raise children.

During the 1800s Asians were met with much racism. Today they have the highest income per capita of all american ethnicities. It did not occur just because of. Chances are education, family and keeping their nose clean were the catalysts for their ability to rise through the shackles of racism.

 

[BCSooners]

Family is the first society. If you get it right, society will prosper. Get it wrong...watch out.

People won't like it but the family needs to be restored.
Wages need adjusted so women can afford to stay home and raise children.

I really can’t wait for this discussion to be moved to the opinion forum.

 

[thebigabd]

Family is the first society. If you get it right, society will prosper. Get it wrong...watch out.

People won't like it but the family needs to be restored.
Wages need adjusted so women can afford to stay home and raise children.

Your idea is spot on, but because of your political leanings I am stunned you believe it.. But I applaud it nonetheless.

Most families have to give up their babies very quickly, because we are the only developed country in the world that doesn't offer guaranteed pay for mothers for a reasonable amount of time. We guarantee nothing, actually. As a result, they have a choice... go to work and give up your newborn or starve. Moms want to stay with their kids, but they don't want to starve obviously.

We need universal childcare and 12 months of guaranteed pay for mothers.

I actually don't disagree that this is part of the problem. It doesn't solve all of it of course, but its connected for sure.

 

[thebigabd]

During the 1800s Asians were met with much racism. Today they have the highest income per capita of all american ethnicities. It did not occur just because of. Chances are education, family and keeping their nose clean were the catalysts for their ability to rise through the shackles of racism.

I could be totally wrong on this, but I think its pretty common in some Asian cultures (Chinese, for sure) for the mothers parents to literally move in after a baby is born and help raise the child.

 

[sheepdogs1]

I really can’t wait for this discussion to be moved to the opinion forum.

Do it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[thebigabd]

Do it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Shouldn't we at least get to 5,000 replies before its removed?

 

[sheepdogs1]

Shouldn't we at least get to 5,000 replies before its removed?

Are you suggesting BC will be the one who tips us over the edge? Yes, I am jesting.

 

[SoonerBounce13]

Your idea is spot on, but because of your political leanings I am stunned you believe it.. But I applaud it nonetheless.

Most families have to give up their babies very quickly, because we are the only developed country in the world that doesn't offer guaranteed pay for mothers for a reasonable amount of time. We guarantee nothing, actually. As a result, they have a choice... go to work and give up your newborn or starve. Moms want to stay with their kids, but they don't want to starve obviously.

We need universal childcare and 12 months of guaranteed pay for mothers.

I actually don't disagree that this is part of the problem. It doesn't solve all of it of course, but its connected for sure.

It is my Catholic social teaching shining through I guess.
We probably have very different ways of getting there though

 

[Eielson]

Kap never said anything while Harbaugh was there and they were winning games. Harbaugh leaves, Kap gets exposed for the mediocre QB he is, and gets benched. As soon as he gets benched he suddenly becomes a social activist? Convenient timing.

Kap doesn't want to play football -- he wants to be a martyr. He's getting far more attention (and I'm assuming money) this way than he would if he accepted his role as a mediocre back-up QB.

That's my issue with him. It's ego, not a moral compass. He is not genuine and has purposefully sabotaged every opportunity to play in the NFL

 

[coolm]

Kap never said anything while Harbaugh was there and they were winning games. Harbaugh leaves, Kap gets exposed for the mediocre QB he is, and gets benched. As soon as he gets benched he suddenly becomes a social activist? Convenient timing.

Kap doesn't want to play football -- he wants to be a martyr. He's getting far more attention (and I'm assuming money) this way than he would if he accepted his role as a mediocre back-up QB.

That's my issue with him. It's ego, not a moral compass. He is not genuine and has purposefully sabotaged every opportunity to play in the NFL

that is all made up in your head.

 

[SoonerBounce13]

Kap never said anything while Harbaugh was there and they were winning games. Harbaugh leaves, Kap gets exposed for the mediocre QB he is, and gets benched. As soon as he gets benched he suddenly becomes a social activist? Convenient timing.

Kap doesn't want to play football -- he wants to be a martyr. He's getting far more attention (and I'm assuming money) this way than he would if he accepted his role as a mediocre back-up QB.

That's my issue with him. It's ego, not a moral compass. He is not genuine and has purposefully sabotaged every opportunity to play in the NFL

I can't really say what made Kap start the movement. I assume there was a high profile case that was in the news. I wouldn't go so far to assume he only started it b/c he was benched.

But he definitely is attention seeking for personal reasons it seems with coping with him being not starter quality

 

[thebigabd]

I can't really say what made Kap start the movement. I assume there was a high profile case that was in the news. I wouldn't go so far to assume he only started it b/c he was benched.

But he definitely is attention seeking for personal reasons it seems with coping with him being not starter quality

https://www.si.com/nfl/2020/06/01/colin-kaepernick-and-george-floyd-protests

 

[coolm]

I can't really say what made Kap start the movement. I assume there was a high profile case that was in the news. I wouldn't go so far to assume he only started it b/c he was benched.

But he definitely is attention seeking for personal reasons it seems with coping with him being not starter quality

based on what? do you know the guy? are you psychic? this is your guess. your speculation. he also has actions that suggest otherwise. you have a bias and it's affecting how you see it. same as all humans. but you need to respect the fact that your guess is solely a product of your head.

 

[Eielson]

that is all made up in your head.

Wrong again.

Some of it is opinion. Some of it is fact.

 

[SoonerBounce13]

based on what? do you know the guy? are you psychic? this is your guess. your speculation. he also has actions that suggest otherwise. you have a bias and it's affecting how you see it. same as all humans. but you need to respect the fact that your guess is solely a product of your head.

My guess is solely a product of my brain...not my emotions like many.

Is using my head bad now?

This dude has had many chances to get back in the nfl as a backup. He won't accept that role so he claims racism. The dude isn't very good. If he was, owners wouldn't care about his protests. But he isn't and his "baggage" isn't worth it for a player of his caliber

 

[coolm]

Wrong again.

Some of it is opinion. Some of it is fact.

tell you what - bring that into court and let's see how the judge rules. guaranteed I win.