March Madness and Covid-19

[sheepdogs1]

If Kap had done that on his OWN time, few would have complained. Well, had he done it the right way. The right way isn't wearing socks that show cops as actual pigs.

Put another way, there are plenty of pro athletes taking part in these current protests. I've seen VERY LITTLE negative said about them. Why? Because they are doing it on their own time, and they aren't being disrespectful or violent/destructive.

That is the difference.

If I were playing golf and someone stole my golf ball I should probably thank them, but if by chance I became irate I do not have the right to take the pitching wedge to the parking lot and start hammering the windshield of the cars owned by the innocent. That people think that destroying private property of those who have no claim to a wrongdoing shows what spooks people can be. It is mind boggling. If people have a distaste for the status quo well there are some things which diminish it and there are things which reinforce it. Reality diminishes the status quo while delusion reinforces it. And because of the delusional component of society, the status quo will be there waiting for us when we wake up tomorrow and the day after that and the day after that. Thanks people, you're wonderful.Wipes are wipes.

 

[SoonerBounce13]

don't even get me started there. all these people complaining about "it must be peaceful" ... you don't get any more peaceful than an NFL QB taking a knee on national TV. did they listen? nope. he was ridiculed and branded a traitor. so no complaining when it escalates.

I've seen this take a lot. And it is nonsense. I mean I understand why it is made but it is a fallacy at it's core.

People weren't anti kneeling because of the message and method. It was for when it was done...during the national anthem. Kneel before the game. Kneel at the coin toss. kneel at halftime. But not during the national anthem. That is what pissed people off and did more harm than good.

Kneeling at the anthem is a severe disrespect for the country and those that fought for it.

That and it doesn't help that Kaepernick was doing the exact thing he was protesting against.

 

[Sooner04]

I'll predict that this tangent will be the end of this thread.

 

[BCSooners]

These posts should be in the unmoderated opinion forum. If it gets moved there I will gladly debate this topic.

 

[coolm]

If Kap had done that on his OWN time, few would have complained. Well, had he done it the right way. The right way isn't wearing socks that show cops as actual pigs.

Put another way, there are plenty of pro athletes taking part in these current protests. I've seen VERY LITTLE negative said about them. Why? Because they are doing it on their own time, and they aren't being disrespectful or violent/destructive.

That is the difference.

nope. not buying any of it. sorry. and I'm not the one bringing these things up. I am responding in kind.

 

[sheepdogs1]

These posts should be in the unmoderated opinion forum. If it gets moved there I will gladly debate this topic.

This is about the fabric of society and not political in nature. Latinos, Asians and Jewish people, to name a few, are the targets of racist attacks as well, but when do you see these people taking to the street and creating havoc for all others? When? Jewish people, according to FBI hate crime statistics, are twice as likely to be the target of a hate crime. Yes, twice as likely, yet you never see them take to the street and disrespect others. I am of the Jewish faith and I would never stoop as low as what we are seeing on a daily basis. When does reality ever come in play as if it were a relevant component of decision making? When? Again, reality diminishes the status quo while delusion reinforces it.

 

[BCSooners]

This is about the fabric of society and not political in nature. Latinos, Asians and Jewish people, to name a few, are the targets of racist attacks as well, but when do you see these people taking to the street and creating havoc for all others? When? Jewish people, according to FBI hate crime statistics, are twice as likely to be the target of a hate crime. Yes, twice as likely, yet you never see them take to the street and disrespect others. I am of the Jewish faith and I would never stoop as low as what we are seeing on a daily basis. When does reality ever come in play as if it were a relevant component of decision making? When?

I will gladly debate this on the opinion forum.

 

[Eielson]

Remember last week when people audacious enough to get a haircut were idiots endangering society?

 

[sheepdogs1]

Remember last week when people audacious enough to get a haircut were idiots endangering society?

Rule of thumb: never placate wimps, ignore them.

 

[mict085]

nope. not buying any of it. sorry. and I'm not the one bringing these things up. I am responding in kind.

Man, you don’t have a single good take.


Kapernick protest was right and supported by many. What people didn’t like was disrespecting the flag. That’s what pissed people off and the message was lost because of how he went about it.

As for the riots, most of the black community has been peaceful. The antifa idiots coordinated their left wing attacks and escalated it into violence. It’s the antifa that are violent, not the protestors.

 

[sheepdogs1]

Man, you don’t have a single good take.


Kapernick protest was right and supported by many. What people didn’t like was disrespecting the flag. That’s what pissed people off and the message was lost because of how he went about it.

As for the riots, most of the black community has been peaceful. The antifa idiots coordinated their left wing attacks and escalated it into violence. It’s the antifa that are violent, not the protestors.

Would not surprise me if a man with the initials GS is behind some of the insurgence.

 

[coolm]

Man, you don’t have a single good take.

spare me the rednecksplaining. it's incredibly disingenuous given that 100 other forms of peaceful demonstrating have also been done with the same results (or lack thereof). the whole point is to make others aware - even if it means being inconvenienced or annoyed. Human life is more important than symbolic nationalism. But apparently this concept is just beyond the scope of comprehension for many.

 

[Eielson]

But apparently this concept is just beyond the scope of comprehension for many.

Ending every response with this line doesn't have the effect you think it does.

 

[thebigabd]

I was reading some history last night as I pondered this..... and I read about Nat Turner's slave rebellion, and how something like that might have gone down today.

In 1831, slavery was a well-established practice. Today of course we view it as a historical stain, but then, not so much. It was just life as they knew it, and had been for a very long time.

Well, in 1831 Nat Turner led a slave rebellion and killed about 60 people. Nat himself confessed to killing one person, a white woman, whom he killed with a fence post. They essentially went from house to house, and freed every slave they found and killed every white person that got in their way.

These were obviously extreme times, but I found it interesting to ponder some things about protests through history.

Did the white people of the time just want the slaves to accept their condition? Did they hope that if they protested, they did so in a manner that wasn't intrusive or disrespectful to the country? Nat Turner burned homes, killed people, etc. Was he justified in doing that? After all, he was literally enslaved. But the woman he killed didn't enslave him. She belonged to the group of people that owned him, but she personally didn't. What should he have done? Taken a knee, but not on work time? Should he only have killed his personal owners, and not attempted a full rebellion? Should he have done nothing?

The people I know here in Tulsa that I have come across pretty much say the same things.... If they accept that police brutality exists at all, or that it's racially motivated, they say "they should protest, but in a way that doesn't damage property, get in peoples way, close streets, etc"... After all, the owner of Daylight Donuts in Bixby, OK didn't kill Terrence Crutcher, George Floyd, Eric Garner, etc.. His property shouldn't be damaged as a result. Others don't accept the initial premise, that police brutality even exists and that the criminal justice system is blind to skin color. Of course, these folks don't think they should be protesting at all. They think black people are just being overly sensitive, or have a victim mentality installed by the media, etc.

Anyway, just some food for thought.

 

[thebigabd]

Man, you don’t have a single good take.


Kapernick protest was right and supported by many. What people didn’t like was disrespecting the flag. That’s what pissed people off and the message was lost because of how he went about it.

As for the riots, most of the black community has been peaceful. The antifa idiots coordinated their left wing attacks and escalated it into violence. It’s the antifa that are violent, not the protestors.

I don't know that I agree with that.... Most of the same people who have a problem with any black protest had multiple problems with Kap.

A.) He did it during the anthem
B.) He didn't do it on his own time
C.) A football game isn't a good place to protest
D.) He likes Fidel Castro
E.) He disrespected cops with his socks while protesting police murder
F.) He's just a dumb football player who doesn't understand what he is protesting (the "shut up and dribble" school of thought like Laura Ingraham)
G.) He isn't being paid by the 49ers to protest
H.) He's just a spoiled millionaire football player trying to gain attention for himself

Etc.... There were a million things people didn't like about it, but it all boils down to the same core issue. They didn't like that his protests were intrusive or got in their way at all.. They wanted him to do it somewhere out of the limelight, on his own time, where they can ignore the issue. They didn't want to be exposed to the protest.

 

[coolm]

I don't know that I agree with that.... Most of the same people who have a problem with any black protest had multiple problems with Kap.

A.) He did it during the anthem
B.) He didn't do it on his own time
C.) A football game isn't a good place to protest
D.) He likes Fidel Castro
E.) He disrespected cops with his socks while protesting police murder
F.) He's just a dumb football player who doesn't understand what he is protesting (the "shut up and dribble" school of thought like Laura Ingraham)
G.) He isn't being paid by the 49ers to protest

Etc.... There were a million things people didn't like about it, but it all boils down to the same core issue. They didn't like that his protests were intrusive or got in their way at all.. They wanted him to do it somewhere out of the limelight, on his own time, where they can ignore the issue. They didn't want to be exposed to the protest.

exactly. "well you can protest in this designated place at the designated time and manner". HELLO??? you miss the point entirely. it's not all about things for you to control.

and this is also a concept lost on many ... and I dont care if that statement doesn't have any "desired effect". the desired effect is that I want to type it so I do.

 

[SoonerBounce13]

spare me the rednecksplaining. it's incredibly disingenuous given that 100 other forms of peaceful demonstrating have also been done with the same results (or lack thereof). the whole point is to make others aware - even if it means being inconvenienced or annoyed. Human life is more important than symbolic nationalism. But apparently this concept is just beyond the scope of comprehension for many.

NO, the whole point is to make others aware and understand...not piss them off and turn them away from the just cause

 

[sheepdogs1]

NO, the whole point is to make others aware and understand...not piss them off and turn them away from the just cause

Some people think being sensitive to something translates to being insensitive to others. It does not for every wrong can then manifest itself into other wrongdoings. There is no answer created by this. None.

 

[SoonerBounce13]

I was reading some history last night as I pondered this..... and I read about Nat Turner's slave rebellion, and how something like that might have gone down today.

In 1831, slavery was a well-established practice. Today of course we view it as a historical stain, but then, not so much. It was just life as they knew it, and had been for a very long time.

Well, in 1831 Nat Turner led a slave rebellion and killed about 60 people. Nat himself confessed to killing one person, a white woman, whom he killed with a fence post. They essentially went from house to house, and freed every slave they found and killed every white person that got in their way.

These were obviously extreme times, but I found it interesting to ponder some things about protests through history.

Did the white people of the time just want the slaves to accept their condition? Did they hope that if they protested, they did so in a manner that wasn't intrusive or disrespectful to the country? Nat Turner burned homes, killed people, etc. Was he justified in doing that? After all, he was literally enslaved. But the woman he killed didn't enslave him. She belonged to the group of people that owned him, but she personally didn't. What should he have done? Taken a knee, but not on work time? Should he only have killed his personal owners, and not attempted a full rebellion? Should he have done nothing?

The people I know here in Tulsa that I have come across pretty much say the same things.... If they accept that police brutality exists at all, or that it's racially motivated, they say "they should protest, but in a way that doesn't damage property, get in peoples way, close streets, etc"... After all, the owner of Daylight Donuts in Bixby, OK didn't kill Terrence Crutcher, George Floyd, Eric Garner, etc.. His property shouldn't be damaged as a result. Others don't accept the initial premise, that police brutality even exists and that the criminal justice system is blind to skin color. Of course, these folks don't think they should be protesting at all. They think black people are just being overly sensitive, or have a victim mentality installed by the media, etc.

Anyway, just some food for thought.

It's interesting I guess to think about. But I'd never ponder that murder is an ok option.

I have been thinking and praying a lot about this lately and my own prejudices.

What I have found is that the things that turn me off to the protests are when they aren't founded in truth. Yes I believe there is a racial biased. But if any facts are brought up showing another side of the argument, I'm a racist. If I point out that studies show that black cops are more likely to kill blacks, I'm racist. And I know people don't like to hear it, but a lot of the black people being used as martyrs for the cause were not innocent. If it is a white cop and a black person, it is automatically racism. But that isn't reality. I understand why they jump to those conclusions. But my mind can't think like that. I like to find the truth. I hate believing in things off emotions because emotions are deceptive.

I pray for justice, peace, and truth to shine

 

[sheepdogs1]

It's interesting I guess to think about. But I'd never ponder that murder is an ok option.

I have been thinking and praying a lot about this lately and my own prejudices.

What I have found is that the things that turn me off to the protests are when they aren't founded in truth. Yes I believe there is a racial biased. But if any facts are brought up showing another side of the argument, I'm a racist. If I point out that studies show that black cops are more likely to kill blacks, I'm racist. And I know people don't like to hear it, but a lot of the black people being used as martyrs for the cause were not innocent. If it is a white cop and a black person, it is automatically racism. But that isn't reality. I understand why they jump to those conclusions. But my mind can't think like that. I like to find the truth. I hate believing in things off emotions because emotions are deceptive.

I pray for justice, peace, and truth to shine

Hear, hear!