March Madness and Covid-19

[Eielson]

tell you what - bring that into court and let's see how the judge rules. guaranteed I win.

That's all made up in your head.

 

[coolm]

That's all made up in your head.

sure it is.

 

[Soonerinkc]

It's interesting I guess to think about. But I'd never ponder that murder is an ok option.

I have been thinking and praying a lot about this lately and my own prejudices.

What I have found is that the things that turn me off to the protests are when they aren't founded in truth. Yes I believe there is a racial biased. But if any facts are brought up showing another side of the argument, I'm a racist. If I point out that studies show that black cops are more likely to kill blacks, I'm racist. And I know people don't like to hear it, but a lot of the black people being used as martyrs for the cause were not innocent. If it is a white cop and a black person, it is automatically racism. But that isn't reality. I understand why they jump to those conclusions. But my mind can't think like that. I like to find the truth. I hate believing in things off emotions because emotions are deceptive.

I pray for justice, peace, and truth to shine

excellent...

I don't get ANYONE who thinks it's okay to ruin and steal from a business all in the name of "make it uncomfortable for others" so they stand up..

MOST of us do our thing, follow the rules of society therefor do not get screwed...

 

[Soonerinkc]

I did see a humorous meme....in these times...from the Man Page on FB


Asked "so is the corona over or is it just halftime?"

 

[MsProudSooner]

Very good point. Perhaps family and education would be a starting point.

Family can be a positive or a negative. Children aren't born racist. Most people learn it from their family. From the outside, the family can appear to be the ideal unit: 2 kids, Mom stays at home, Dad is a deacon in the church etc, etc. But behind closed doors, when they let their guard down, they are something else. I remeber a conversation I had with my ex's uncle in the early 1970s. Some comment was made about a TV show that had a black star and he said "You don't really think blacks are inherently as smart as white people, do you?" I replied that I thought if black children were given the same advantages as white children, they could do just as well in school but that poverty and lack of support from family hindered them greatly. He looked at me as if I had grown an extra head. This is a man who served in WWII, got a college degree and a 'professional' job. He is the father-in-law of Rob Glass, the OSU S&C coach. He's still active at 96 - he looks much younger - and you never hear him make remarks like that any more. But it really surprised me at the time.

 

[WTSooner]

based on what? do you know the guy? are you psychic? this is your guess. your speculation. he also has actions that suggest otherwise. you have a bias and it's affecting how you see it. same as all humans. but you need to respect the fact that your guess is solely a product of your head.

But it's cool when you have an opinion. No speculation or bias there.

 

[WTSooner]

tell you what - bring that into court and let's see how the judge rules. guaranteed I win.

Nobody is trying a case. Good grief. It's a message board.

 

[coolm]

Nobody is trying a case. Good grief. It's a message board.

do you even think about these things before you say them? just to prove the point I started on page 1 and began counting the evidentiary arguments presented by various laymen here. I stopped at 50 and had many more pages to go:
- "he's no expert"
- "the methodology was flawed"
- "they aren't from the proper discipline"
- "these numbers predate those"

If you guys wish to substantiate your arguments for credibility (which you all do all the time) then don't get all bent out of shape when someone actually starts to talk about the epistemology involved. it's already a topic of conversation you just don't know it.

 

[Eielson]

yet more name calling. why am I not surprised.

I genuinely think you bait people into criticizing you just so you can play the victim. You love that role, but it's not a flattering look.

 

[coolm]

I genuinely think you bait people into criticizing you just so you can play the victim. You love that role, but it's not a flattering look.

here's a thought ... why don't you guys talk about the topic instead of looking for ways to rail on me? when last we left you were trying to figure out what epistemology means. perhaps you could start there?

 

[SoonerBounce13]

I genuinely think you bait people into criticizing you just so you can play the victim. You love that role, but it's not a flattering look.

As a society, I think this is one of the main issues. Everybody needs something to be outraged over. Everybody wants to be a marytr and victim

 

[coolm]

As a society, I think this is one of the main issues. Everybody needs something to be outraged over. Everybody wants to be a marytr and victim

you do understand that applies to both sides of the wheel right?

 

[AdaSooner]

I have a feeling nearly every regular on this board will agree that this thread has deteriorated to a useless, senseless diatribe of everything wrong with our country right now.

I’m moving it to the off-topic (Campus Corner) forum. If Boulder wants to move it back, that’s his decision. But, this is a basketball board, always has been and always will be if I have anything to do with it.

Political posts and posts about the Covid-19 Virus should be made on the off-topic forum from this point forward. Start a new thread on these topics on this board and it will be deleted.

Time to get back to talking about basketball! I can’t wait!!!

 

[SoonerBounce13]

you do understand that applies to both sides of the wheel right?

Yessir

 

[BoulderSooner]

I have a feeling nearly every regular on this board will agree that this thread has deteriorated to a useless, senseless diatribe of everything wrong with our country right now.

I’m moving it to the off-topic (Campus Corner) forum. If Boulder wants to move it back, that’s his decision. But, this is a basketball board, always has been and always will be if I have anything to do with it.

Political posts and posts about the Covid-19 Virus should be made on the off-topic forum from this point forward. Start a new thread on these topics on this board and it will be deleted.

Time to get back to talking about basketball! I can’t wait!!!

i agree and now this thread has been moved to the off topic board ..

 

[Eielson]

https://www.tmz.com/2020/06/01/george-floyd-cause-of-death-heart-attack-fentanyl/

Decisive blow against the notion that pre-existing medical conditions and intoxication played no role in his death.

 

[BCSooners]

https://www.tmz.com/2020/06/01/george-floyd-cause-of-death-heart-attack-fentanyl/

Decisive blow against the notion that pre-existing medical conditions and intoxication played no role in his death.

You have 2 MEs saying 2 different causes of death. Both still agreed on homocide. The role in his death was being kneed in the neck for 9 minutes.

 

[Soonerinkc]

Family can be a positive or a negative. Children aren't born racist. Most people learn it from their family. From the outside, the family can appear to be the ideal unit: 2 kids, Mom stays at home, Dad is a deacon in the church etc, etc. But behind closed doors, when they let their guard down, they are something else. I remeber a conversation I had with my ex's uncle in the early 1970s. Some comment was made about a TV show that had a black star and he said "You don't really think blacks are inherently as smart as white people, do you?" I replied that I thought if black children were given the same advantages as white children, they could do just as well in school but that poverty and lack of support from family hindered them greatly. He looked at me as if I had grown an extra head. This is a man who served in WWII, got a college degree and a 'professional' job. He is the father-in-law of Rob Glass, the OSU S&C coach. He's still active at 96 - he looks much younger - and you never hear him make remarks like that any more. But it really surprised me at the time.

I taught in the urban schools for 30 yrs. First 20 mainly black minorities, last 10 our district shift to about 50% hispanic.

I can testify that education was NOT the most important goal with a lot of our families. We provided free breakfast, free lunch. 90% of our teachers worked their asses off.

The most popular evening event was the "chili supper" and the "Christmas Program" that later turned into the "winter program"....not PT conf, not the multiple reading and math nights we did...

The kids were overall good kids, but our bad kids were bad..really bad. I only say this because unless you've actually been around poverty folks you have no clue.

I finished my last 3 years in middle school....those kids were so out of touch with reality...everything was racists...black kids called each other "the N word"...not as a cool thing but in anger. Fights every day. Thank God I retired...there were 4 girls who threatened a black pregnant female teacher by surrounding her, telling her they were going to kick her ass and cut her baby out....punishment? suspended for a day then let back in because of a technicality.

My point is, these kids are just as racists as others...yes it's taught.

Long rant...but with all the crap going on, I've dealt with the type of folks that are rioting.

 

[SoonerBounce13]

I have a question for you guys...Is something that happens to 9-20 people out of 41MM an indication that this "something" is a systematic problem?

 

[Eielson]

You have 2 MEs saying 2 different causes of death. Both still agreed on homocide. The role in his death was being kneed in the neck for 9 minutes.

I'm not aware of anybody questioning that it's manslaughter. Stating that meth and fentanyl did not contribute to Mr Floyd's death, however, is simply an untenable position.

I'm not defending the police officer. I'm refuting the notion that the state-appointed ME is making false medical statements and acting as a puppet for white supremacists.