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I'll stop you right there. I don't think you can.

Racism has been around nearly as long as man has. It doesn't just exist in the good old US of A either. It exists anywhere and everywhere there is a mix of races. You think Europe doesn't fight the same things? I just don't think there is anything people can do or say that is going to change the opinion of those that are racist. I really don't.


I agree and it reflects the supreme denseness that are people. If a choice exists some people will choose it and it is that simple. If an ice cream shop offers both vanilla and chocolate then how could they only sell one of the two flavors. Sure, one flavor might be popular over the other, but some will still choose the less popular flavor.Personally, I hate licorice, but some adore it. I would never cover my body with tats, but some do. It is amazing how people are blind to this.
 
I'll stop you right there. I don't think you can.

Racism has been around nearly as long as man has. It doesn't just exist in the good old US of A either. It exists anywhere and everywhere there is a mix of races. You think Europe doesn't fight the same things? I just don't think there is anything people can do or say that is going to change the opinion of those that are racist. I really don't.

I think there is a difference between eradicating racist thinking and eradicating racist social behaviors, which is really more what I meant. I certainly can't stop someone from thinking a certain way, but can we discourage the behaviors that come out when a racist person is in public?

Should we even do that?

For example... used to be totally acceptable in music, movies, and public to call someone a fag. Now, it's not. Do you have people who hate gays or disapprove out there? Yes. But did we (society) largely extinguish commonly accepted social practices about how we talk about and treat gay people? I think so.

Does that make sense?
 
What proof do you have of racism in the NFL? Can you list those who are racist. If a man says he does not see it does that automatically mean he is covering it up or can it mean he has an optimistic approach to the situation? Is Drew Brees a racist for he is another apologist.

Most NFL players are black. Is the racism only geared from white to black such that none is black on white?

Kaepernick would be a start.
 
Tell me how to eradicate racism without educating oblivious people on what racism even is, and without shaming their world-view.

Should a free society tolerate a racist world-view? It seems to me that you are advocating for people to have the right to be openly racist. Are you not?

I am not saying you are racist, I am just trying to understand what you are saying here.

Now we are going to get granular. First, in order to "educate oblivious people" as you would say, we have to come to an agreement on the term "racism" and context. For example, if someone disagrees with the idea of reparations, are they racist? If someone disagrees with a segment of African-Americans on their viewpoint of a particular issue, then is that "someone" racist? If someone feels that affirmative action policies are counter-productive, then are they racist?

Unfortunately, this is the problem we run into. Virtually all of us can agree that certain words and behaviors are insensitive and prejudice at their core. But the goalposts seem to have continually moved in the conversation. And some of that is positive and encouraging, while some of it is encroaching totalitarianism. If I disagree with someone of color on a particular topic, then it's becoming more and more popular to trumpet and intimate that I'm racist. This is very dangerous behavior. It's tribal and having a polarizing effect on dialogue.

And to be candid, I think most people (regardless of color) are actually good to each other in this country. Most of us get along and are willing to help out their neighbor when they are in need. Yet it's the vocal few who want to divide and create chaos for either political and/or economic gain.
 
Kaepernick would be a start.

Could you all just leave that poor guy alone.

How do you know whether owners were making a business decision or not? You don't. Just because you want to believe something does not make it self evident.
 
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I think there is a difference between eradicating racist thinking and eradicating racist social behaviors, which is really more what I meant. I certainly can't stop someone from thinking a certain way, but can we discourage the behaviors that come out when a racist person is in public?

Should we even do that?

For example... used to be totally acceptable in music, movies, and public to call someone a fag. Now, it's not. Do you have people who hate gays or disapprove out there? Yes. But did we (society) largely extinguish commonly accepted social practices about how we talk about and treat gay people? I think so.

Does that make sense?

Just because something is acceptable does not preclude the unacceptable from occurring. How do you not realize this?
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zESCS2A6VTU

This was acceptable, and common thought, not that long ago.... Now its cringe.

Something everyone needs to ask themselves, when questioning their beliefs, or listening to other beliefs is this.... am I on the right side of history?

Watch that video, and tell me who was on the right side of history.

Put 1995 in context.... plenty of American's cheered that guy on. They agreed with him. They shared his views. They were on the wrong side of history.

I urge everyone to ask themselves that question from time to time, especially during times like these.
 
Could you all just leave that poor guy alone.

How do you know whether owners were making a business decision or not? You don't. Just because you want to believe something does not make it self evident.

So he wasn’t a top 32 QB at the time nobody would sign him. While Richie Incognito is still in the league.
 
So he wasn’t a top 32 QB at the time nobody would sign him. While Richie Incognito is still in the league.

That is not proof. And what does a non qb have to do with this? Again, how do you know it was not a business decision. Business involves contract size, won-loss record, fan support and so on.


Did Antonio Brown refer to one of his coaches as a "cracker." Was there a d-back from Cleveland last year who was released by the team for calling a reporter a "cracker." Convenience does not create a viable solution. Racism is a two way street. Fact. If people are not willing to expose racism across the board then they should go home for they offer no real solutions, just excuses.
 
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VbcPdweaBFE

He's still in the league. Called someone a half-ni$$$r piece of ****.

It is not possible that there are not some countervailing examples. Not possible. It is a two way street and no solution of value will exist if this is not realized. Some men disrespect women and some women disrespect men. Both sides are to be addressed and not just one. Ignoring one while addressing the other solves nothing.
 
It is not possible that there are not some countervailing examples. Not possible. It is a two way street and no solution of value will exist if this is not realized. Some men disrespect women and some women disrespect men. Both sides are to be addressed and not just one. Ignoring one while addressing the other solves nothing.

Ok, but will you stop ignoring this one?
 
Ok, but will you stop ignoring this one?


When did I start the ignoring? This is absurdly childish for I never said I ignored it and it would be hard to ignore something if I never knew it existed in the first place.
 
When did I start the ignoring? This is absurdly childish for I never said I ignored it and it would be hard to ignore something if I never knew it existed in the first place.

Your stance on this comes off as a distraction to me.... If that's not what it is, I apologize... But any time the issue attempts to be discussed, you throw the same kink in there which is "but black people did bad things too, and you aren't talking about that"...

Am I wrong on that?
 
Your stance on this comes off as a distraction to me.... If that's not what it is, I apologize... But any time the issue attempts to be discussed, you throw the same kink in there which is "but black people did bad things too, and you aren't talking about that"...

Am I wrong on that?


All I am saying is problems are usually multifaceted and thus all sides needs to be addressed. Repairing a chug hole on the east side of a street does not change the existence of chug holes on the west side. If you want to believe otherwise then have at it. If we live on opposite sides of the street then the mail needs to be delivered to both sides of the street regardless of which side receives mail and which side does not. It should be an easy get.
 
All I am saying is problems are usually multifaceted and thus all sides needs to be addressed. Repairing a chug hole on the east side of a street does not change the existence of chug holes on the west side. If you want to believe otherwise then have at it. If we live on opposite sides of the street then the mail needs to be delivered to both sides of the street regardless of which side receives mail and which side does not. It should be an easy get.

Goodness
 


Gracious great balls of fire.


I asked early on if all hate crime was wrong or only some of it and was assured that all hate crime was wrong. Well I got news for you and your kind. Morality is not a function of convenience, but being a fraud is. Morality is not a pick and choose affair. It is shameless to not have shame.
 
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Agreed. It's manslaughter or possibly murder 3, b/c the police officer's actions, IMO, don't result in the death of the individual most of the time.

All that extra stuff doesn't affect if he is innocent or guilty, but it affects what exactly he is guilty of. Anybody trying to call this 1st degree murder is insane.

Its still theoretically possible that he walks... the fentanyl and meth helps the argument a lot. But hell be sacrificed 1 way or another. I'm guessing manslaughter 10 years
 
I think there is more to it than that.... Death is the ultimate bad outcome, but the targeting of blacks is definitely a problem with any crime. How much more frequently are they patted down by police? Pulled over? How much more are the police even involved in something because they were called to the scene because the presence of a black person? Like the lady in the park who called the cops on the bird watcher because she was scared of a black person.

That last one isn't the cops fault, but cops are called out to respond to white people being scared of black people fairly regularly. Stuff you and I do all the time can result in a call to the cops, such as:

  • Bird watching in a park
  • Sitting in a Starbucks
  • Selling water for a trip to Disneyland
  • Mowing lawns (a white neighbor saw some black kids mowing grass, which was their summer lawn business, and called the cops)
  • Entering your own apartment (white neighbors stopped the owner of an apartment from entering his own apartment unless he could prove he lived there. When he had the key, they called the cops and reported a breakin)
  • Taking a nap (a Yale University black student was taking a nap in a common area, and they tried to make her prove she was a Yale Student, and the cops were called)

Again, in these cases the police did the right thing (as far as I know), and in some of these cases people donated money to make it right (if you can call it that)... but the point is black peoples interaction with police is likely much higher than yours and mine. Nobody calls the cops on me for mowing grass or trying to come home, or walking around, etc...

This kind of stuff happens all the time.

You may not call those problems "systemic", but when this is how you have to live your life, I think you need to show more empathy to the black experience as a whole.... Your pointing to certain stats and saying "see, the cops arrested tons of black people but didn't kill that many statistically".... That is not the only problem.

Police brutality is not exclusively murder, and is not the only part of systemic racism... Blacks tend to receive longer jail sentences, be sentenced to jail more frequently, stopped by police more often, have the police called on them more often, etc. Black men are 5% of the population and about 35% of the prison population. 1 in 3 black men will spend some time in jail, etc.

And all of those things contribute to the cycle... Black people have a harder time finding great employment than white people do, black communities tend to be poor, with bad schooling, etc... Once you've had interaction with the criminal justice system, your life becomes significantly more difficult, etc.

I mean, we could go on forever with this... but I think your focus on this too narrow. Again, death is the worst outcome, but the death of innocent/unarmed black men makes everything else boil over... So the protests come after a death, but there are a lot of other issues.

the bird watching is being summarzied incorrectly. He made arguably a threat. From his own fb post, "if youre gonna do what you wanna do, I'm gonna do what i want to do. And youre not gonna like it." And then he tried to feed her dog against her consent...

Thats effed up. Now dont get it twisted, she was the initial asshole. But if a stranger that made a weird possible threat comment to me and then started to feed my dog some random treat, id either beat his ass or call the ops...

That one is BS. And he is actually the bigger overall asshole

Also i think anyone can agree that blacks have prolly 2x - 4x more interactions per capita with police than whites... but isnt that just a WILD coincidence that in EVERY SINGLE YEAR since 2016, whites were killed in excess of blacks EVERY YEAR.

Ive seen the data on years prior to 2016 (cant currently find it) and that is the case every year.

Therefore police killing blacks is not a systemic problem imo. Its unfortunate when it happens (to any race) regardless tho
 
Its still theoretically possible that he walks... the fentanyl and meth helps the argument a lot. But hell be sacrificed 1 way or another. I'm guessing manslaughter 10 years

What determines if a jury can find them guilty of a lesser charge? I know sometimes they are given the right/ability to do that, and sometimes they aren't. Second degree murder seems pretty aggressive, so I wonder if they are doing that because they know the jury will have the ability to convict of something lesser if needed?

Edit: coolm, you aren't good for much (kidding, kidding), but this question should be right up your alley.
 
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