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[BCSooners]

https://www.statista.com/statistics/585152/people-shot-to-death-by-us-police-by-race/

This has nothing to do with my point.

 

[hoopsaustin]

Vic Fangio, head coach of the Denver Broncos, just said he doesn't see racism "at all" in the NFL... He quickly apologized, but if I am John Elway I fire him immediately.

It is ignorant and given the timing and context, is egregious.

He no longer is fit to lead the Broncos or be a leader in the Denver community.

Fire him immediately and bring in the best fit for Denver... Maybe that is a white coach, or maybe it's not.

If I was Denver, I'd get rid of Vic and talk to Eric Bieniemy or Jim Caldwell about as quickly as I can.

lol wow..

 

[sheepdogs1]

You’re not getting it. If someone pulls a weapon on a cop, shooting up a place, etc. then I have no issue with cops or someone killing them. MY ISSUE is when the person being arrested has committed a very low crime (or none at all), is complying with the officer and still gets killed.

Also your stats make my point. Black people make up 13% of the population & 28% of deaths by police.

Your point is not being made because confrontations between cops and citizens can be crime related, thus you would have to look at the crimes being committed by each race to discern whether the percentages are the norm or not. Your last statement does not address this for you are just going with the rough numbers and are not delving down into the numbers on a case by case scenario. If blacks contributed 13% of the total crime, especially violent crime, then without a doubt your quick assessment would be something that has some fishiness to it as it relates to whether it was justified or not. Stats from the CDC would give you a better grasp of things.

 

[hoopsaustin]

You are looking at this through the most narrow hole possible.



Tell me how to eradicate racism without educating oblivious people on what racism even is, and without shaming their world-view.

Should a free society tolerate a racist world-view? It seems to me that you are advocating for people to have the right to be openly racist. Are you not?

I am not saying you are racist, I am just trying to understand what you are saying here.



Sure, but should opinions ever have consequences?

Yes. It should NEVER be illegal to be racist.. that's literally thought crime. And its against the 1st amendment and accepted case precedent. And it always needs to be.

Their punishment for having a dumb racist brain is that they have to live life carrying a dumb racist brain everywhere they go.

 

[hoopsaustin]

Kaepernick would be a start.

*backup

Look at his last years record. He doesn't belong on a team bc hes divisive. He's about himself, at the expense of the team. Hes not worth the distraction pf his self promotions. If he wanted to be on a team, he'd be on a team.. much like Antonio brown would be

 

[BCSooners]

*backup

Look at his last years record. He doesn't belong on a team bc hes divisive. He's about himself, at the expense of the team. Hes not worth the distraction pf his self promotions. If he wanted to be on a team, he'd be on a team.. much like Antonio brown would be

Yes he’s divisive for people who can’t understand the knee was against police brutality, not against veterans.

He was about bringing awareness, at the expense of his career.

How do compare Kaps’s situation with AB?

 

[BCSooners]

Your point is not being made because confrontations between cops and citizens can be crime related, thus you would have to look at the crimes being committed by each race to discern whether the percentages are the norm or not. Your last statement does not address this for you are just going with the rough numbers and are not delving down into the numbers on a case by case scenario. If blacks contributed 13% of the total crime, especially violent crime, then without a doubt your quick assessment would be something that has some fishiness to it as it relates to whether it was justified or not. Stats from the CDC would give you a better grasp of things.

My point is cops are killing black men who are complying and not being aggressive, theY are actually being overly compliant, then the cop(s) get found not guilty. How many times do I have to say this to you?

 

[sheepdogs1]

This has nothing to do with my point.

The link is for murders in 2013.

It shows how many whites were murdered and by who.

It shows how many blacks were murdered and by who.

Based on just these two ethnicities the breakdown on who did the murdering is split fairly evenly between white and black.

If all of these murderers were gunned down by cops then you would have close to 2700 dead from both skin colors.

Since there are close to 5 times as many whites as blacks than the percentage of those killed based on their population would not be the same. The % of whites killed would be a fraction of blacks killed when you divide 2700 by the white population versus 2700 by the black population. Thus 13% black population would have a greater % killed than whites killed by cops.

https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u....f_vicitm_by_race_and_sex_of_offender_2013.xls

 

[hoopsaustin]

So two guys chase down and lynch a guy for "casing" a property they don't own, hit him with their truck, shoot him, call him a ****ing ni%%er, etc and we aren't gonna call that a hate crime? Hell, you are saying it's not even gonna be called murder. You are calling it a citizens arrest gone bad, and expect them to walk away as free men. You've made Ahmaud the villain, and the two guys flying confederate flags and running someone over in the street the heroes who were trying to protect their community.

Wowzers..... Now would be the appropriate time to ask yourself, "am I on the right side of this story? Am I on the right side of history?"...

the fact that they dont own the property has nothing to do with this case at all. Or the commentary after the fact or even in years prior social media posts...

it would make me think they were pieces of sh!t and make my default of the benefit of the doubt go to arbery instead of just neutral, but wouldn't affect the legal analysis.

Some people arent mature enough to handle emotional topics i guess. I solely care about the law and providing actual justice (which is not getting exactly what your personal desire/preference is). I dont care about your visual characterizations, only the law and the actual facts (which ive been playing less attention to as you've already demonstrated by providing me an update)

 

[sheepdogs1]

My point is cops are killing black men who are complying and not being aggressive, theY are actually being overly compliant, then the cop(s) get found not guilty. How many times do I have to say this to you?

Because you used the 13% and 28% numbers to make your point.

 

[hoopsaustin]

You’re not getting it. If someone pulls a weapon on a cop, shooting up a place, etc. then I have no issue with cops or someone killing them. MY ISSUE is when the person being arrested has committed a very low crime (or none at all), is complying with the officer and still gets killed.

Also your stats make my point. Black people make up 13% of the population & 28% of deaths by police.

the level of severity of crime is pointless (the media always attaches to that to get sympathy) bc there is almost always a degree of resisting arrest (which appears to be possible in Floyd) or assaulting an officer, which are the REAL crimes. But stick with the $20 narrative..

 

[hoopsaustin]

I have a feeling that statement isn't going to age well. In fact, I know it won't. Sorry to disappoint you on that.

News reports coming out now that they hit him with their truck, called him the N word, and had confederate flags on their stuff in the truck. Can you please just drop this total non-sense? Its embarrassing man.

William Bryan told investigators he heard Travis McMichael use a racial epithet after fatally shooting Ahmaud Arbery in Glynn County, a Georgia Bureau of Investigation agent testified Thursday during preliminary hearings.

Bryan told police McMichael said "f***ing n***er" after three blasts from McMichael's shotgun left Arbery dead in the streets of the Satilla Shores neighborhood in February, Assistant Special Agent in Charge Richard Dial said. Body camera footage also showed a Confederate flag sticker on the toolbox of McMichael's truck, he said.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/04/us/mcmichaels-hearing-ahmaud-arbery/index.html



A house that those two racist rednecks didn't own.... and video footage showed lots of other people, including kids and other families, go into that house while it was under construction. I guess they were casing it too. In one of the videos Arbery literally got a drink of water.

Good lord man, can you not understand how you sound here?

how many of those kids and other families sprinted out of the house at full speed after confrontation?? Ill wait

 

[BCSooners]

Because you used the 13% and 28% numbers to make your point.

Because you posted those stats which were pointless to my argument.

 

[BCSooners]

the level of severity of crime is pointless (the media always attaches to that to get sympathy) bc there is almost always a degree of resisting arrest (which appears to be possible in Floyd) or assaulting an officer, which are the REAL crimes. But stick with the $20 narrative..

You have seen the video right? And other videos I’m talking about? There is no resisting and shouldn’t have been any suspicion of danger in these cases.

 

[hoopsaustin]

Yes he’s divisive for people who can’t understand the knee was against police brutality, not against veterans.

He was about bringing awareness, at the expense of his career.

How do compare Kaps’s situation with AB?

i don't fall on that category. I am annoyed by it simply bc any other sort of "unwoke" speech in the team uniform would result in being cut.. (think if a player gave a nazi salute)

They are both headaches.

I dont have much of a problem with kapernick. I'm a free speech extremist (i fully support burning flags and i have 5 of them in my home). The MOST american thing is speech, IMO. And the most american act a person can do is to defend another person's right to say something that is 110% against YOUR beliefs!

 

[hoopsaustin]

You have seen the video right? And other videos I’m talking about? There is no resisting and shouldn’t have been any suspicion of danger in these cases.

fully watch both so far. What I'm saying is i wonder if there is possible prior footage in flloyd yet to come. Was there a reason multiple dudes were restraining him? Or was that completely random and unnecessary overkill?

 

[BCSooners]

i don't fall on that category. I am annoyed by it simply bc any other sort of "unwoke" speech in the team uniform would result in being cut.. (think if a player gave a nazi salute)

They are both headaches.

I dont have much of a problem with kapernick. I'm a free speech extremist (i fully support burning flags and i have 5 of them in my home). The MOST american thing is speech, IMO. And the most american act a person can do is to defend another person's right to say something that is 110% against YOUR beliefs!

Someone asked to give an example of racism in the NFL so I brought up Kaepernick. I wasn’t arguing free speech or unwokeness.

Also taking a knee to protest police brutality & giving the Nazi salute are a little different.

 

[BCSooners]

fully watch both so far. What I'm saying is i wonder if there is possible prior footage in flloyd yet to come. Was there a reason multiple dudes were restraining him? Or was that completely random and unnecessary overkill?

They’ve got him on the ground in handcuffs and he still knees his neck for 9 minutes. What possible prior footage could explain that? Just put him in the car.

 

[hoopsaustin]

Someone asked to give an example of racism in the NFL so I brought up Kaepernick. I wasn’t arguing free speech or unwokeness.

Also taking a knee to protest police brutality & giving the Nazi salute are a little different.

So purely his race has kept him out of the league... a league that is 70% black... is what you're saying? Lolol. If he had a 16-0 record his last year, your belief is that he would have not been on a team the next year? Lolol

 

[sheepdogs1]

Because you posted those stats which were pointless to my argument.

But you said "your stats make my point." Thus it was a bit confusing. If they were pointless then you would likely not use them to make your point. That's all.