March Madness and Covid-19

[hoopsaustin]

They’ve got him on the ground in handcuffs and he still knees his neck for 9 minutes. What possible prior footage could explain that? Just put him in the car.

Well i stand corrected, i havent seen all of the flloyd tape. Watching now.

 

[hoopsaustin]

Well i stand corrected, i havent seen all of the flloyd tape. Watching now.

from 8:38 to 8:44 there is no video of the actual incident from that gas station videocamera. Id be interested if there was bodycam footage. Either way, i think I'm upping my prediction to murder 3 from manslaughter 2 (25 years) maybe the murder 2, need to read the statute again

 

[BCSooners]

So purely his race has kept him out of the league... a league that is 70% black... is what you're saying? Lolol. If he had a 16-0 record his last year, your belief is that he would have not been on a team the next year? Lolol

Again I never said he was kept out of the league because he was black. The stance he was taking was that of police brutality, especially the higher rate of it happening to black people. Then he was essentially blackballed from the league & the NFL said it would fine players for kneeling. They would fine players for peacefully protesting a social issue.

 

[BCSooners]

But you said "your stats make my point." Thus it was a bit confusing. If they were pointless then you would likely not use them to make your point. That's all.

It wasn’t my initial point at all. It did show that minorities are met more often with fatal violence from the police.

 

[hoopsaustin]

Again I never said he was kept out of the league because he was black. The stance he was taking was that of police brutality, especially the higher rate of it happening to black people. Then he was essentially blackballed from the league & the NFL said it would fine players for kneeling. They would fine players for peacefully protesting a social issue.

Nfl is racist.. BUT Colin isn't kept out of the league bc of him being black... is your argument for the NFL being racist.....? Lolol

 

[WTSooner]

Who said it wasn’t? Cops are getting away with murdering black men, that’s the issue. If cops were going to jail for what they’ve been doing these uproars wouldn’t be happening.

Umm.....they are going to jail. A bunch of them. And the ones that aren't, it's because, despite what the media says, not a "bad shoot." I followed the Michael Brown case pretty intently. I honestly think he got exactly what he deserved, based on the evidence presented. That entire case makes me mad, and it kind of started this entire debate. The case that probably most heavily ways in favor of the cop, and the "hands up, don't shoot" is still used as a rallying cry, even though it was completely fabricated.

But I'd say over 50% are going to jail, and that doesn't mean the other 50% should be in jail. But to suggest there are a bunch of cops getting away with what happened in Minnesota, that is a flat out lie. That isn't happening.

 

[BCSooners]

Nfl is racist.. BUT Colin isn't kept out of the league bc of him being black... is your argument for the NFL being racist.....? Lolol

The question was how do you know there’s racism in the NFL. I answered you can start with Kaepernick. Never said the whole NFL was racist, just that racism exists within the NFL. Now you’re caught up.

 

[WTSooner]

You’re not getting it. If someone pulls a weapon on a cop, shooting up a place, etc. then I have no issue with cops or someone killing them. MY ISSUE is when the person being arrested has committed a very low crime (or none at all), is complying with the officer and still gets killed.

How many cases meet THAT criteria? I certainly can't think of any. The Crutcher shooting, he certainly wasn't complying. The guy in NYC that got taken down and eventually died, he wasn't complying. Michael Brown wasn't complying.

What cases meet your criteria and didn't result in a conviction?

 

[BCSooners]

Umm.....they are going to jail. A bunch of them. And the ones that aren't, it's because, despite what the media says, not a "bad shoot." I followed the Michael Brown case pretty intently. I honestly think he got exactly what he deserved, based on the evidence presented. That entire case makes me mad, and it kind of started this entire debate. The case that probably most heavily ways in favor of the cop, and the "hands up, don't shoot" is still used as a rallying cry, even though it was completely fabricated.

But I'd say over 50% are going to jail, and that doesn't mean the other 50% should be in jail. But to suggest there are a bunch of cops getting away with what happened in Minnesota, that is a flat out lie. That isn't happening.

Only 13 of the 104 cases in 2015 where an unarmed black person was killed by police resulted in officer(s) being charged with a crime. 4 of these cases have ended in a mistrial or charges against the officer(s) being dropped and 4 cases are still awaiting trial or have a trial underway. Only 4 cases (Matthew Ajibade, Eric Harris, Paterson Brown Jr., and William Chapman) have resulted in convictions of officers involved, with a fifth case (Walter Scott) resulting in the officer pleading guilty.

Of the 4 cases where the officer(s) involved have been convicted and sentenced, none were sentenced to serve more than 4 years in prison. Only 1 of 2 officers convicted for their involvement in Matthew Ajibade's death received jail time. He was sentenced to 1 year in jail and allowed to serve this time exclusively on weekends. The officer who killed Paterson Brown was sentenced to only 3 months in jail. Deputy Bates, who killed Eric Harris, was sentenced to 4 years in prison and Officer Cobb, who killed William Chapman, was sentenced to 2.5 years in prison. Officer Slager, who killed Walter Scott and pled guilty, has yet to be sentenced.

 

[WTSooner]

My point is cops are killing black men who are complying and not being aggressive, theY are actually being overly compliant, then the cop(s) get found not guilty. How many times do I have to say this to you?

Again, this isn't happening. At least, not much.

There are basically three types of cases here:

1. Person killed was not complying and there is little doubt the officer shooting was justified. Michael Brown comes to mind.

2. Situations like we just had in Minnesota, where is sure appears that the cops were using excessive force. These situations are resulting in convictions nearly every time.

3. The blurry ones. Terrance Crutcher. The kid that was shot in Baltimore holding a bb gun. I don't want to say situations where "bad luck" was involved, but situations that based on the way our police are being trained, I'd have a really hard time convicting them.

The fourth one I guess would be the deaths from shootings when police bust into a house at night and things go south quickly. I don't know what to think of those, but I wouldn't call them race related. I can recall as many white people dying in these scenarios as black.

But what pisses me off is when black America gets upset about #1 and to a lesser extent, #3 above.

 

[BCSooners]

How many cases meet THAT criteria? I certainly can't think of any. The Crutcher shooting, he certainly wasn't complying. The guy in NYC that got taken down and eventually died, he wasn't complying. Michael Brown wasn't complying.

What cases meet your criteria and didn't result in a conviction?

Philando Castille instantly comes to mind.

 

[WTSooner]

You have seen the video right? And other videos I’m talking about? There is no resisting and shouldn’t have been any suspicion of danger in these cases.

There appears to have possibly been some resisting off camera, especially when they put him in the vehicle the first time. And that would make sense for somebody with meth in their system.

 

[BCSooners]

Again, this isn't happening. At least, not much.

There are basically three types of cases here:

1. Person killed was not complying and there is little doubt the officer shooting was justified. Michael Brown comes to mind.

2. Situations like we just had in Minnesota, where is sure appears that the cops were using excessive force. These situations are resulting in convictions nearly every time.

3. The blurry ones. Terrance Crutcher. The kid that was shot in Baltimore holding a bb gun. I don't want to say situations where "bad luck" was involved, but situations that based on the way our police are being trained, I'd have a really hard time convicting them.

The fourth one I guess would be the deaths from shootings when police bust into a house at night and things go south quickly. I don't know what to think of those, but I wouldn't call them race related. I can recall as many white people dying in these scenarios as black.

But what pisses me off is when black America gets upset about #1 and to a lesser extent, #3 above.

Yes it is. And the ones we know about are getting filmed, I wonder how many more we don’t know about.

 

[BCSooners]

There appears to have possibly been some resisting off camera, especially when they put him in the vehicle the first time. And that would make sense for somebody with meth in their system.

Lol keep justifying it if you want, I don’t know how somebody has your line of thinking when the video is right there.

 

[WTSooner]

Philando Castille instantly comes to mind.

I put that in the grey/blurry bucket. Reaching for/near a gun, even if you told the cop you were about to do that, is never a good idea. Never. You don't say "hey, I have a gun", then start reaching. Who would do that?

Do you ever watch Live PD? That show has given me even MORE appreciation for how hard it is to be a police officer. In some of these places they patrol, damn near every stop turns into a pursuit, or involves guns. Compliance is about officer safety. That is the way it HAS to work, otherwise we'd have even more cops dying then we already do. Comply and things generally work out. Generally.

 

[WTSooner]

Lol keep justifying it if you want, I don’t know how somebody has your line of thinking when the video is right there.

Because there isn't much of another reason to pull him out of the car and put him on the ground if not for a reason like resisting or acting up in the car. I'm not supporting what happened after that, but they didn't stick him in the vehicle only to pull him out a couple of minutes later and kill him. That makes no sense, even if the officer WANTED to kill him. I don't even think that officer was the one that initiated pulling him out (not positive though).

 

[WTSooner]

I don't remember where it was, but a couple of years ago a cop shot a guy that was running away during a traffic stop. No signs of a gun. No reason to shoot. He was found guilty.

The off duty cop in Tulsa that shot his daughter's boyfriend who was black or mixed, he was found guilty.

 

[BCSooners]

I put that in the grey/blurry bucket. Reaching for/near a gun, even if you told the cop you were about to do that, is never a good idea. Never. You don't say "hey, I have a gun", then start reaching. Who would do that?

Do you ever watch Live PD? That show has given me even MORE appreciation for how hard it is to be a police officer. In some of these places they patrol, damn near every stop turns into a pursuit, or involves guns. Compliance is about officer safety. That is the way it HAS to work, otherwise we'd have even more cops dying then we already do. Comply and things generally work out. Generally.

That’s blurry? Man there’s no reason to discuss this topic with you if you can justify that and kneeing on a mans neck for 9 minutes who was barely moving. I just hope people don’t look to you for guidance on these subjects.

 

[WTSooner]

That’s blurry? Man there’s no reason to discuss this topic with you if you can justify that and kneeing on a mans neck for 9 minutes who was barely moving. I just hope people don’t look to you for guidance on these subjects.

So you can't see why a cop would shoot a guy that is reaching towards his gun (that you can see) while telling you he has a gun? lol, okay. That isn't how it works. You tell the officer you have a gun, and you WAIT. You don't start reaching towards it. That is common sense.

 

[hoopsaustin]

The question was how do you know there’s racism in the NFL. I answered you can start with Kaepernick. Never said the whole NFL was racist, just that racism exists within the NFL. Now you’re caught up.

The fact that you think I'm in the dumb one in this exchange is mind boggling