March Madness and Covid-19

[thebigabd]

They push a liberal agenda. Most entertainment operations are liberal such as ABC, ESPN, Marvel, Lucas Film, Pixar and Touchstone. Just try to find articles which expresses them as conservative leaning.

I keep getting a lot of this..... always from conservatives. The media, hollywood, academia, etc is not on their side. I am trying to figure out what you want.

As we speak, Trump is tweeting about punishing colleges and universities unless they stop indoctrinating people.

What does this mean? You want a strictly conservative angle? You want them to present both sides equally with no preference for either?

 

[SoonerBounce13]

I keep getting a lot of this..... always from conservatives. The media, hollywood, academia, etc is not on their side. I am trying to figure out what you want.

we want truth

As we speak, Trump is tweeting about punishing colleges and universities unless they stop indoctrinating people.

What does this mean? You want a strictly conservative angle? You want them to present both sides equally with no preference for either?

Universities are known for being very liberal. Kids leave universities when a very liberal viewpoint due to this. THere are also many cases of conservative professors and students getting fired/expelled for conservative believes and statements. Just recently Marquette considered not allowing an incoming freshman to come to university because she posted a pro trump tik tok video. Professors in Canada have to refer to students by their desired gender,etc.

University should be about truth and facts...not political propaganda and one sided history.

 

[steverocks35]

we want truth



Universities are known for being very liberal. Kids leave universities when a very liberal viewpoint due to this. THere are also many cases of conservative professors and students getting fired/expelled for conservative believes and statements. Just recently Marquette considered not allowing an incoming freshman to come to university because she posted a pro trump tik tok video. Professors in Canada have to refer to students by their desired gender,etc.

University should be about truth and facts...not political propaganda and one sided history.

I guess goodbye Liberty and Bob Jones Universities lol

 

[thebigabd]

I am working from home today while I wait no my test results... and see something on the news that makes me think of my super-conservative family members, who have all joined in on the "fake news" train.

CNN is talking about long lines, places running out of tests, people being turned away for tests, waiting for hours, etc in Arizona. This is a perfect example of something my uncle would say is "this is just the fake news media trying to make you believe we aren't doing a good job with testing", etc.

I would have normally had no way to refute that, and at that point it just comes down to what you personally believe. Did they mislead me? Did they lie? Did they make it sound worse than it was?

But I experienced it myself yesterday. I went to like 12 places trying to get a test. Places were out. Lines were long. People waiting for over 4 hours to get a test. So I am watching this CNN story and I can personally attest that what they are reporting is true, but that is so rare that you can personally verify it.

Certainly not saying they are always honest, but food for thought.

 

[sheepdogs1]

I keep getting a lot of this..... always from conservatives. The media, hollywood, academia, etc is not on their side. I am trying to figure out what you want.

As we speak, Trump is tweeting about punishing colleges and universities unless they stop indoctrinating people.

What does this mean? You want a strictly conservative angle? You want them to present both sides equally with no preference for either?

What normal people desire is to lay blame where it is deserved and not ignore the faults of some so as to not confuse the established narrative. If a college professor claims that math is racist or yoga is or eating red meat promotes toxic masculinity then it should be viewed from a rational perspective as opposed to, the professor is liberal, therefor she must be correct in the assertions made. There are far too many cliques embedded in society which causes logic to be ignored more times than not and it is a futile way of getting things done that could help all those involved. You can turn to the "woke" crowd, as an example, for they gin up trouble as opposed to solving things. In their eyes none of us are worthy and it is beyond silly.

 

[steverocks35]

we want truth



Universities are known for being very liberal. Kids leave universities when a very liberal viewpoint due to this. THere are also many cases of conservative professors and students getting fired/expelled for conservative believes and statements. Just recently Marquette considered not allowing an incoming freshman to come to university because she posted a pro trump tik tok video. Professors in Canada have to refer to students by their desired gender,etc.

University should be about truth and facts...not political propaganda and one sided history.

Marquette is a private Catholic Jesuit University lol

 

[mict085]

9,000 people die every day in America. Some people are screaming Covid cases are spiking!!! True, but expected. I agree we need a more uniform and appropriate response from public health and government at every level. We also need to improve our testing, Both the process and the numbers nationally. However, we can’t shut everything down. That’s stupid. We have to respond to the virus while still living our lives and working/earning a living.

The death rate continues to drop and when it’s all said and done, it will be close to the flu and other diseases death rate. If this wasn’t an election year, we’d likely not see this level of politicizing a disease. It’s out of control.

I would bet that if Biden wins the election, we’ll never hear another word about corona virus.

 

[sheepdogs1]

we want truth



Universities are known for being very liberal. Kids leave universities when a very liberal viewpoint due to this. THere are also many cases of conservative professors and students getting fired/expelled for conservative believes and statements. Just recently Marquette considered not allowing an incoming freshman to come to university because she posted a pro trump tik tok video. Professors in Canada have to refer to students by their desired gender,etc.

University should be about truth and facts...not political propaganda and one sided history.

There is also the university in Washington called Evergreen (I think) which had a non-white day and when a white professor showed up for work he was fired.

 

[sheepdogs1]

9,000 people die every day in America. Some people are screaming Covid cases are spiking!!! True, but expected. I agree we need a more uniform and appropriate response from public health and government at every level. We also need to improve our testing, Both the process and the numbers nationally. However, we can’t shut everything down. That’s stupid. We have to respond to the virus while still living our lives and working/earning a living.

The death rate continues to drop and when it’s all said and done, it will be close to the flu and other diseases death rate. If this wasn’t an election year, we’d likely not see this level of politicizing a disease. It’s out of control.

I would bet that if Biden wins the election, we’ll never hear another word about corona virus.

CDC shows that on a given day 49 Oklahomans die from heart disease and cancer while in the past 30 days less than 2 Oklahomans died from the virus on average.

 

[SoonerBounce13]

I am working from home today while I wait no my test results... and see something on the news that makes me think of my super-conservative family members, who have all joined in on the "fake news" train.

CNN is talking about long lines, places running out of tests, people being turned away for tests, waiting for hours, etc in Arizona. This is a perfect example of something my uncle would say is "this is just the fake news media trying to make you believe we aren't doing a good job with testing", etc.

I would have normally had no way to refute that, and at that point it just comes down to what you personally believe. Did they mislead me? Did they lie? Did they make it sound worse than it was?

But I experienced it myself yesterday. I went to like 12 places trying to get a test. Places were out. Lines were long. People waiting for over 4 hours to get a test. So I am watching this CNN story and I can personally attest that what they are reporting is true, but that is so rare that you can personally verify it.

Certainly not saying they are always honest, but food for thought.

Do you know what breeds that fake news thinking?

fake news. It happens so much that i don't fault anyone for claiming everything is fake news. There were a lot of news stories that talked about long lines and crowded testing sites...then the raw footage would come out and they just randomly pulled people off the streets for the news story

 

[SoonerBounce13]

Marquette is a private Catholic Jesuit University lol

and?

 

[mict085]

I am working from home today while I wait no my test results... and see something on the news that makes me think of my super-conservative family members, who have all joined in on the "fake news" train.

CNN is talking about long lines, places running out of tests, people being turned away for tests, waiting for hours, etc in Arizona. This is a perfect example of something my uncle would say is "this is just the fake news media trying to make you believe we aren't doing a good job with testing", etc.

I would have normally had no way to refute that, and at that point it just comes down to what you personally believe. Did they mislead me? Did they lie? Did they make it sound worse than it was?

But I experienced it myself yesterday. I went to like 12 places trying to get a test. Places were out. Lines were long. People waiting for over 4 hours to get a test. So I am watching this CNN story and I can personally attest that what they are reporting is true, but that is so rare that you can personally verify it.

Certainly not saying they are always honest, but food for thought.

I agree with you. We should be doing a better job of testing, both the process and the volume of it. This is a typical government response to anything tho. The government, liberal or conservative, always screws it up.

 

[steverocks35]

and?

They're a private entity, they can admit or reject anyone they want. I read the news story. It seems that admissions got a ton of emails from students asking them to take a look at this potential student. They did take a look at her and decided not to rescind her admission. You're seriously outraged by that?

 

[thebigabd]

we want truth



Universities are known for being very liberal. Kids leave universities when a very liberal viewpoint due to this. THere are also many cases of conservative professors and students getting fired/expelled for conservative believes and statements. Just recently Marquette considered not allowing an incoming freshman to come to university because she posted a pro trump tik tok video. Professors in Canada have to refer to students by their desired gender,etc.

University should be about truth and facts...not political propaganda and one sided history.

Ok, let's talk about that for a second. I think this is important.

Universities are known for having a liberal point of view.
The media is known to have a liberal point of view.
Hollywood is known to have a liberal point of view.
The music industry, for the most part, is known to have a liberal point of view.

Is it not possible that they are a reflection of society? Maybe society is getting more liberal? Are they getting more liberal because they've been influenced by the things I listed above, or are we getting more liberal as a population and those industries are reflecting that. Most of the world around us is more liberal as well. Europe and Canada, certainly. The world itself is liberal by that standard.

You say you want truth, but sometimes the truth is bad. I think conservatives been pretty consistent in wanting some version of the truth. If a school teaches the truth about Christopher Columbus, for example, they get attacked by conservatives. If a school teaches what we did to Iran in 1951, they are attacked by conservatives. If a school teaches about massive death and atrocities committed by wars we were involved in, that wouldn't be kosher, and those things HAVE NOT been taught in schools for a very long time. That is a relatively new development.

And as more of this information becomes known to people, they are influenced by it. That's why you see the "they are taught to hate America" stuff from conservatives. Nobody is taught to hate America, instead, they are taught all the things we need to know, good and bad. Were we heroic in WW2? Absolutely. Was Vietnam a total cluster and atrocities committed? Absolutely. Did Columbus sail the ocean blue in 1492 and begin European migration to the new world? Absolutely. Did he rape women, and enslave/murder/mutilate natives? Yep. Did the Union, under Lincoln, win the Civil War and free the slaves? Yep. Did Lincoln think blacks were equal? Nope. The historical context certainly needs to be taught, and I think it is for the vast majority. It would be unusual for someone born in the early 1800's to not think certain ways, because it was a reflection of where society was at the time. I think people understand that.

Knowing those things, not liking those things, etc doesn't mean you hate America. I assume all those people love America, want to be better, want to do better in the future, etc. We have done a million things to be extremely proud of, and we have done some things we shouldn't be proud of. We need to know all of that.

So do we want all the information? Or do want the standard:

We tried to save Vietnam from evil communists. The end.
Lincoln freed all the slaves, the end.
Columbus was a super great guy who simply sailed across the atlantic and discovered America. The end.

What "truth" is not being demonstrated in academia? Seriously, what truth?

 

[SoonerBounce13]

They're a private entity, they can admit or reject anyone they want. I read the news story. It seems that admissions got a ton of emails from students asking them to take a look at this potential student. They did take a look at her and decided not to rescind her admission. You're seriously outraged by that?

wasn't the point at all

 

[SoonerBounce13]

Ok, let's talk about that for a second. I think this is important.

Universities are known for having a liberal point of view.
The media is known to have a liberal point of view.
Hollywood is known to have a liberal point of view.
The music industry, for the most part, is known to have a liberal point of view.

Is it not possible that they are a reflection of society? Maybe society is getting more liberal? Are they getting more liberal because they've been influenced by the things I listed above, or are we getting more liberal as a population and those industries are reflecting that. Most of the world around us is more liberal as well. Europe and Canada, certainly. The world itself is liberal by that standard.

i don't disagree at all. society is liberal. But there isn't such a thing as liberal truth and conservative truth. There is truth. If as a society, it is determined that incestual relations are fine, that doesn't mean they are fine.

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ou say you want truth, but sometimes the truth is bad. I think conservatives been pretty consistent in wanting some version of the truth. If a school teaches the truth about Christopher Columbus, for example, they get attacked by conservatives.

That is because it is completely subjective if a person is good or not. The truth is in the middle. He wasn't a saint. But he wasn't evil either. Liberal professors are rewriting history. We have already discussed columbus and I'd rather not again.

If a school teaches what we did to Iran in 1951, they are attacked by conservatives. If a school teaches about massive death and atrocities committed by wars we were involved in, that wouldn't be kosher, and those things HAVE NOT been taught in schools for a very long time. That is a relatively new development.

What conservatives take offense at is not that these types of things are discussed...it is that they are discussed one sided.

And as more of this information becomes known to people, they are influenced by it. That's why you see the "they are taught to hate America" stuff from conservatives. Nobody is taught to hate America, instead, they are taught all the things we need to know, good and bad. Were we heroic in WW2? Absolutely. Was Vietnam a total cluster and atrocities committed? Absolutely. Did Columbus sail the ocean blue in 1492 and begin European migration to the new world? Absolutely. Did he rape women, and enslave/murder/mutilate natives? Yep. Did the Union, under Lincoln, win the Civil War and free the slaves? Yep. Did Lincoln think blacks were equal? Nope. The historical context certainly needs to be taught, and I think it is for the vast majority. It would be unusual for someone born in the early 1800's to not think certain ways, because it was a reflection of where society was at the time. I think people understand that.

That is where we disagree. Historical context is NOT taught...that is evident by the tearing down of statues of great men that had flaws.

And no, Columbus did not rape anyone

Knowing those things, not liking those things, etc doesn't mean you hate America. I assume all those people love America, want to be better, want to do better in the future, etc. We have done a million things to be extremely proud of, and we have done some things we shouldn't be proud of. We need to know all of that.

They aren't being taught about the good though...only the bad. And that leads to what we are seeing today in society. There is without a doubt many people that hate America and want to change it...but not for the better. They want to completely change what AMerica is. It is clear as day man.

So do we want all the information? Or do want the standard:

We tried to save Vietnam from evil communists. The end.
Lincoln freed all the slaves, the end.
Columbus was a super great guy who simply sailed across the atlantic and discovered America. The end.

What "truth" is not being demonstrated in academia? Seriously, what truth?

We want it all. that is the whole point. We don't want it one sided from either side. We want the good and bad put into perspective. I really don't think that is happening...especially in teh news.

 

[WTSooner]

I am working from home today while I wait no my test results... and see something on the news that makes me think of my super-conservative family members, who have all joined in on the "fake news" train.

CNN is talking about long lines, places running out of tests, people being turned away for tests, waiting for hours, etc in Arizona. This is a perfect example of something my uncle would say is "this is just the fake news media trying to make you believe we aren't doing a good job with testing", etc.

I would have normally had no way to refute that, and at that point it just comes down to what you personally believe. Did they mislead me? Did they lie? Did they make it sound worse than it was?

But I experienced it myself yesterday. I went to like 12 places trying to get a test. Places were out. Lines were long. People waiting for over 4 hours to get a test. So I am watching this CNN story and I can personally attest that what they are reporting is true, but that is so rare that you can personally verify it.

Certainly not saying they are always honest, but food for thought.

To be fair, I get the feeling the you were looking for very specific types of testing. You wanted quick testing. You wanted quick results. I think you preferred a drive-up location. Were you also looking for free?

I guarantee there were other places in town you could have gotten tested. Just about any Ergent Care, for example. The one I'm familiar with, near Tulsa Hills, I've been told they haven't had a single day where they've ran out of tests. You specifically went to some specialty type places that for whatever reason had a limited supply.

 

[steverocks35]

i don't disagree at all. society is liberal. But there isn't such a thing as liberal truth and conservative truth. There is truth. If as a society, it is determined that incestual relations are fine, that doesn't mean they are fine.

Y That is because it is completely subjective if a person is good or not. The truth is in the middle. He wasn't a saint. But he wasn't evil either. Liberal professors are rewriting history. We have already discussed columbus and I'd rather not again.


What conservatives take offense at is not that these types of things are discussed...it is that they are discussed one sided.

That is where we disagree. Historical context is NOT taught...that is evident by the tearing down of statues of great men that had flaws.

And no, Columbus did not rape anyone



They aren't being taught about the good though...only the bad. And that leads to what we are seeing today in society. There is without a doubt many people that hate America and want to change it...but not for the better. They want to completely change what AMerica is. It is clear as day man.


We want it all. that is the whole point. We don't want it one sided from either side. We want the good and bad put into perspective. I really don't think that is happening...especially in teh news.

You don't think Columbus had sex with any of the female slaves he personally took as his own? Lol, okay.

 

[coolm]

https://www.kristv.com/news/local-news/nueces-county-medical-examiners-office-not-taking-covid-19-victims

The medical examiner in Corpus Christi, Texas says that the morgue there can't hold any more bodies. She's asking for a FEMA morgue trailer.

Wait a minute now ... I was guaranteed by the "medical braintrust" that death numbers wouldn't go up and these were normal ICU numbers in Texas.

 

[steverocks35]

Wait a minute now ... I was guaranteed by the "medical braintrust" that death numbers wouldn't go up and these were normal ICU numbers in Texas.

Texas has reported new records for Covid-19 deaths the last two days.