March Madness and Covid-19

[sheepdogs1]

Huh?

Just making a joke which referenced upskirts.

 

[sheepdogs1]

The mildness of the symptoms for a lot of people really isn’t great news. That means they’re walking around spreading it. My son is 21 years-old and has had asthma his whole life. I’m worried sick that he’s going to catch it.

What should be of upmost importance in all of this is those considered high risk should have a wall around them until it is more safe for them to intermingle. The rest of us can deal with it.

 

[steverocks35]

What should be of upmost importance in all of this is those considered high risk should have a wall around them until it is more safe for them to intermingle. The rest of us can deal with it.

But the “rest of us” give it to those that are high risk. It’s inevitable.

 

[WTSooner]

What should be of upmost importance in all of this is those considered high risk should have a wall around them until it is more safe for them to intermingle. The rest of us can deal with it.

That's been my thought all along. The best thing to do here is for those at risk to take extreme precaution, not the rest of us. This affects such a low percentage of people, it's much easier to control THEIR actions than the actions of 90%+ of the population.

 

[sheepdogs1]

But the “rest of us” give it to those that are high risk. It’s inevitable.

And that's why they need to be removed from this possibility as much as possible. As much as possible. When I went to the market today there were a number of elderly and there should be backstops to prevent this. If most of the population is not really at risk then the effort should be solely to protect the high riskers. Soley. But the selfishness that are people fumble the ball and they are good fumblers.

 

[MJSooner]

The mildness of the symptoms for a lot of people really isn’t great news. That means they’re walking around spreading it. My son is 21 years-old and has had asthma his whole life. I’m worried sick that he’s going to catch it.

Exactly.

It's a quandary on people that have mild symptoms. You have them go in and get tested, you create more overload on health care providers and testing and the availability of testing kits. They don't take it seriously as possible COVID-19, as you said, they walk around spreading it. It is why you have had professionals, doctors, and crisis teams say if you feel ill or show symptoms CALL your doctor first. It is also why a website like Google is working on would be helpful.

It is also why it is so freakin important for people to be properly informed about this thing. Know the differences between flu symptoms, COVID-19 and allergies. Most COVID-19 cases are closer to sever allergies than the flu.

 

[steverocks35]

And that's why they need to be removed from this possibility as much as possible. As much as possible. When I went to the market today there were a number of elderly and there should be backstops to prevent this. If most of the population is not really at risk then the effort should be solely to protect the high riskers. Soley. But the selfishness that are people fumbles the ball.

But you’re assuming that we aren’t really at risk when we know that this virus is at minimum 8 times more lethal than seasonal flu for even healthy people. And it’s impossible to “build a wall” around all people with underlying issues. It’s just not possible.

 

[sheepdogs1]

That's been my thought all along. The best thing to do here is for those at risk to take extreme precaution, not the rest of us. This affects such a low percentage of people, it's much easier to control THEIR actions than the actions of 90%+ of the population.

I agree, but the selfishness that are people precludes this from materializing. People will interject politics into the discussion when it is not really about politics at all, but everything about being selfless versus selfish. I said from the very beginning that the selfishness that are people would make this worse than it ever needed to be. Worse than it ever needed to be.

 

[WTSooner]

But you’re assuming that we aren’t really at risk when we know that this virus is at minimum 8 times more lethal than seasonal flu for even healthy people. And it’s impossible to “build a wall” around all people with underlying issues. It’s just not possible.

We don't know that. It may be 10x for the elderly, but we don't have anywhere near enough GOOD data to make that claim. You can't claim that when we KNOW there are thousands out there still un-diagnosed. We're just guessing. My guess is that for the non-elderly, it's probably no more than 2-3x as lethal as the flu.

Too many people trying to act like we know this or that, when we don't.

 

[steverocks35]

We don't know that. It may be 10x for the elderly, but we don't have anywhere near enough GOOD data to make that claim. You can't claim that when we KNOW there are thousands out there still un-diagnosed. We're just guessing. My guess is that for the non-elderly, it's probably no more than 2-3x as lethal as the flu.

Too many people trying to act like we know this or that, when we don't.

We DO know, we have plenty of data from China and other places. Did you read the link I posted yesterday?

 

[sheepdogs1]

But you’re assuming that we aren’t really at risk when we know that this virus is at minimum 8 times more lethal than seasonal flu for even healthy people. And it’s impossible to “build a wall” around all people with underlying issues. It’s just not possible.

We deal with the cards which are dealt us. It is better to make the sacrifice for those most in danger than the ones who are least at danger. When a flood occurs or a tornado (Titanic) it is women and children first, which does not mean men are free of danger, but it is about removing the risk from those most in peril and making that sacrifice to get the job done.

 

[steverocks35]

Here is the data, I’m reposting it for WT to read

https://medium.com/@tomaspueyo/coronavirus-act-today-or-people-will-die-f4d3d9cd99ca

 

[MJSooner]

We don't know that. It may be 10x for the elderly, but we don't have anywhere near enough GOOD data to make that claim. You can't claim that when we KNOW there are thousands out there still un-diagnosed. We're just guessing. My guess is that for the non-elderly, it's probably no more than 2-3x as lethal as the flu.

Too many people trying to act like we know this or that, when we don't.

Partially correct on the stats. 10X more deadly is a correct %, but wrong age band. Based on data globally where this has been going on since December and they have been more aggressive in testing, for people 19-49 it is 10x more deadly. For the elderly, it is 20-25X more deadly. The only age category it is not as deadly or in that range you mentioned are those under 19.

We have posted those stats throughout this thread. You can see these stats by going to the CDC and Worldometers page on COVID-19. Dr. Fauci even testified to these numbers in front of Congress on Thursday.

 

[sheepdogs1]

Partially correct on the stats. 10X more deadly is a correct %, but wrong age band. Based on data globally where this has been going on since December and they have been more aggressive in testing, for people 19-49 it is 10x more deadly. For the elderly, it is 20-25X more deadly. The only age category it is not as deadly or in that range you mentioned are those under 19.

We have posted those stats throughout this thread. You can see these stats by going to the CDC and Worldometers page on COVID-19. Dr. Fauci even testified to these numbers in front of Congress on Thursday.

And this is why if the greatest hit occurs to the 1% group it leads to less deaths overall as opposed to the 1% getting theirs and the elderly, high risk group gets wiped out in the process. Sacrifices need to be made!

Upon returning from the market this morning I removed all bagged and boxed items from their packaging and placed the items into storage bags so as to avoid containers contaminated by handlers. It is a sacrifice I am willing to take and I was not really asking much from myself. It is the little things.

 

[MJSooner]

And this why if the greatest hit occurs to the 1% group it leads to less deaths overall as opposed to the 1% getting theirs and the elderly, high risk group gets wiped out in the process. Sacrifices need to be made!

This cannot be shouted loud enough. Although I lost my mom a few years ago, I think about her during this time and how she would handle this. We need to be careful for those around us. If you are showing symptoms take care of yourself and stay away from people. We also need to do what we can to help those that may be at risk. If you know someone who is elderly and are in a healthy state, volunteer to do there shopping. If you see an elderly person at the grocery store, do the same. Pick up their prescriptions, take out their trash, whatever it takes. Don't make the elderly or those in the high-risk categories expose themselves unnecessarily just to do the ADLs of life.

I know this hits home with you from your posts and thanks for spreading the message.

 

[sheepdogs1]

This cannot be shouted loud enough. Although I lost my mom a few years ago, I think about her during this time and how she would handle this. We need to be careful for those around us. If you are showing symptoms take care of yourself and stay away from people. We also need to do what we can to help those that may be at risk. If you know someone who is elderly and are in a healthy state, volunteer to do there shopping. If you see an elderly person at the grocery store, do the same. Pick up their prescriptions, take out their trash, whatever it takes. Don't make the elderly or those in the high-risk categories expose themselves unnecessarily just to do the ADLs of life.

I know this hits home with you from your posts and thanks for spreading the message.

That was nice. If we ever play golf I will let you cheat!

 

[thebigabd]

That was nice. If we ever play golf I will let you cheat!

An OUhoops.com golf tournament would be interesting.

One event in Tulsa, one event in the OKC area.

 

[BoulderSooner]

An OUhoops.com golf tournament would be interesting.

One event in Tulsa, one event in the OKC area.

there would only be one in the OKC area

 

[coolm]

I have degrees in microbiology and medical technology, and a master’s degree in public health from OU. I am the head of the hematology department at the VA hospital where I work. How about you?

so are you the one I complain to when they stick me like 12x to start an IV? they finally called down (up) one of the lab ladies who got it first shot ... but those weekend temp nurses
caused my arms and hands to be covered in bruises. grrrrrr!

oh, and I had an A1C of 17 prior to abdominal surgery. that irish surgeon was way pi$$ed. I wondered if that wasn't the reason. they ended up putting in a pick (?) line next time up.

 

[steverocks35]

so are you the one I complain to when they stick me like 12x to start an IV? they finally called down (up) one of the lab ladies who got it first shot ... but those weekend temp nurses
caused my arms and hands to be covered in bruises. grrrrrr!

oh, and I had an A1C of 17 prior to abdominal surgery. that irish surgeon was way pi$$ed. I wondered if that wasn't the reason. they ended up putting in a pick (?) line next time up.

Oh man, I don’t have any control over the nursing staff but get that A1C under control dude, no sugar for you!

The PICC line is because you’re really hard to stick.