March Madness and Covid-19

[steverocks35]

this is simply not true

Tell us why it isn’t true, oh great oracle...

 

[steverocks35]

the huge majority of those tested globally are those that are sick or very sick

In America yes, because our testing regime has been woefully inadequate, but we have a mountain of data from other countries that have tested hundreds of thousands, read the link I posted yesterday.

 

[BoulderSooner]

the long term damage this reaction is going to cause the us economy is going to be so bad ...

as you have said this is not a 14 day thing ...

you have also said the full spread is now not stoppable .. is that correct?

 

[steverocks35]

the long term damage this reaction is going to cause the us economy is going to be so bad ...

as you have said this is not a 14 day thing ...

you have also said the full spread is now not stoppable .. is that correct?

Yes, but this is all necessary because we MUST flatten the curve so the healthcare system isn’t overwhelmed, leading to far more deaths. What we are doing will hopefully have the affect of keeping us from looking like Italy.

 

[BoulderSooner]

In America yes, because our testing regime has been woefully inadequate, but we have a mountain of data from other countries that have tested hundreds of thousands, read the link I posted yesterday.

where?? south korea they have tested the most and even there it is almost all those sick or thought to be at risk and even there it is less than 4k tests per millon people

 

[BoulderSooner]

Yes, but this is all necessary because we MUST flatten the curve so the healthcare system isn’t overwhelmed, leading to far more deaths. What we are doing will hopefully have the affect of keeping us from looking like Italy.

the other side of that coin is keeping this going for 4 months will do unthinkable damage to the economy

 

[steverocks35]

where?? south korea they have tested the most and even there it is almost all those sick or thought to be at risk and even there it is less than 4k tests per millon people

I am not going to explain this a billionth time, just read the link I posted yesterday.

 

[steverocks35]

the other side of that coin is keeping this going for 4 months will do unthinkable damage to the economy

Overwhelming the healthcare system and killing a lot more people will be far more damaging to the economy.

 

[BoulderSooner]

Overwhelming the healthcare system and killing a lot more people will be far more damaging to the economy.

not that it is provable either way but having this over in 30 days would be much much better for the long term economy regardless of the deaths ..

 

[WaymanFan]

Overwhelming the healthcare system and killing a lot more people will be far more damaging to the economy.

That’s debatable. If millions of people have no income to pay their bills or even put food on the table, it will result in a financial devastation like we have have never seen before. I don’t pretend I know what the answer is, but everyone staying home for months on end is not a viable solution.

 

[BoulderSooner]

That’s debatable. If millions of people have no income to pay their bills or even put food on the table, it will result in a financial devastation like we have have never seen before. I don’t pretend I know what the answer is, but everyone staying home for months on end is not a viable solution.

this is very much a real concern ...

 

[steverocks35]

not that it is provable either way but having this over in 30 days would be much much better for the long term economy regardless of the deaths ..

Ask Italy how that's working out for them...

 

[steverocks35]

That’s debatable. If millions of people have no income to pay their bills or even put food on the table, it will result in a financial devastation like we have have never seen before. I don’t pretend I know what the answer is, but everyone staying home for months on end is not a viable solution.

That's why many economists and politicians from both sides of the aisle are asking for financial assistance/stimulus from the government. Dropping the prime rate to zero was the first step, although it doesn't really help that much in the short term.

 

[steverocks35]

I literally laughed out loud this morning though when I read that casinos across the country have asked congress for a bailout. Like WTF??? If we give casinos a bailout we should just lock the doors of congress and tell them all to go home. It's insane.

 

[sheepdogs1]

That’s debatable. If millions of people have no income to pay their bills or even put food on the table, it will result in a financial devastation like we have have never seen before. I don’t pretend I know what the answer is, but everyone staying home for months on end is not a viable solution.

As I've said before the emphasis should be on the high risk group and let the chips fall where they may for the rest. Reduce the damage done to the high risk group and you remove a majority of the damage done. The overwhelming reality is those who are lowest risk are treating the situation as if they are the highest risk. This only compounds the situation. At some point reality needs to be a priority. True responsibility is out of the reach of most. Everyone wants in the lifeboat.

 

[steverocks35]

As I've said before the emphasis should be on the high risk group and let the chips fall where they may for the rest. Reduce the damage done to the high risk group and you remove a majority of the damage done. The overwhelming reality is those who are lowest risk are treating the situation as if they are the highest risk. This only compounds the situation. At some point reality needs to be a priority. True responsibility is out of the reach of most.

In my opinion, there are no half measures.

 

[WTSooner]

As I've said before the emphasis should be on the high risk group and let the chips fall where they may for the rest. Reduce the damage done to the high risk group and you remove a majority of the damage done. The overwhelming reality is those who are lowest risk are treating the situation as if they are the highest risk. This only compounds the situation. At some point reality needs to be a priority. True responsibility is out of the reach of most. Everyone wants in the lifeboat.

That's how I feel. I'm okay with something resembling a partial-lockdown for the next 2-3 weeks. After that, we probably need to start getting back to business as usual, with an emphasis on protecting those at risk the most. And a large piece of that is some of those folks protecting themselves (the ones that are able). We should be putting a lot of effort and money into trying to find a vaccine or something over the next few weeks as well. And just a better understanding of the virus, how it works, and how we should move going forward.

If the entire US is shut down for 2-3 months (or longer), like a few have mentioned, we're going to have bigger problems than the actual virus.

 

[sheepdogs1]

In my opinion, there are no half measures.

The reality is everyone is not high risk and everyone believing otherwise just makes the situation worse. In turn it will lead to more deaths than less of it and that is unacceptable. To win a war without fatalities is unrealistic.

 

[steverocks35]

That's how I feel. I'm okay with something resembling a partial-lockdown for the next 2-3 weeks. After that, we probably need to start getting back to business as usual, with an emphasis on protecting those at risk the most. And a large piece of that is some of those folks protecting themselves (the ones that are able). We should be putting a lot of effort and money into trying to find a vaccine or something over the next few weeks as well. And just a better understanding of the virus, how it works, and how we should move going forward.

If the entire US is shut down for 2-3 months (or longer), like a few have mentioned, we're going to have bigger problems than the actual virus.

At the press conference yesterday, the officials said we are looking at July or August before these measures are relaxed.

They are working on the vaccine. It will be ready next year some time. Coming up with a vaccine for a newly identified virus isn't something that can be done in a few weeks.

 

[steverocks35]

The reality is everyone is not high risk and everyone believing otherwise just makes the situation worse. In turn it will lead to more deaths than less of it and that is unacceptable. To win a war without fatalities is unrealistic.

Communicable diseases that have a Ro of 3, how do they work?