March Madness and Covid-19

[Eielson]

This thread gets worse every day.

 

[mict085]

Well, this took a weird turn.

 

[BCSooners]

Bless you!

All I am saying is I believe in a thing called "free will." I do not believe adults are led by the hand and told how to think, operate and behave. And I do not embrace how everything that people do or do not do is completely at the behest of those in authority. I mean Lincoln was anti-slavery yet not everyone followed lock step and barrel. That was the point i was clearly making. I think you thought I was berating, condemning black people and that just the opposite of my intentions. Again, bless you.

On a side note, the First Step Plan helps black people the most. I think the amount of funding to black colleges was boosted recently by the largest margin on record. Both came at the hand of the person you label the promoter.

I believe that some adults will repeat & believe every word they hear from somebody in power. When that results in further racism, hate, & ignorance. Such as: calling Mexicans rapists & drug dealers, calling neo-nazis not all bad people, & mocking the physically handicapped.

This will be my last comment on this particular argument, regardless of response.

 

[stormspencer]

This thread gets worse every day.

Doc, give us an update from the front lines if you get the chance.

 

[sheepdogs1]

I believe that some adults will repeat & believe every word they hear from somebody in power. When that results in further racism, hate, & ignorance. Such as: calling Mexicans rapists & drug dealers, calling neo-nazis not all bad people, & mocking the physically handicapped.

This will be my last comment on this particular argument, regardless of response.

But I will respond. You see the president stated that Los Angeles has a homeless problem. Does that mean all people in LA are homeless? Of course not. Same thing applies to Mexicans. Some Mexicans are rapists and drug dealers and this is not disputable so this argument falls by the way side.

The person you accuse of mocking handicapped people has other videos of him doing the same thing and it was to those who have no handicap at all. You see if you say "what are you deaf" or "what are you blind" you are not attacking the handicap. If someone were to say you are mocking handicapped people then they are a poor judge of character. Again, your argument falls by the way side.

The people in Charllottesville he was referring to were those in the candle light vigil and not the 20 or so racists who attended a national rally (20 out of 330 million citizens). His speech denounced white supremacists,so again, this is yet another point which falls by the way side.

The truth of the matter is liberals fear him and they will stop at nothing to make him appear worse than the devil ,which is dishonest. I mean Bernie Sanders was called a misogynist by Warren. Bloomberg was called the same.
It is part of the liberal playbook to vilify a person if they do not see eye to eye with you. It is childish. Heaping praise on you does not make you a better person than who you are nor does being overly critical cause you to be less of a person than you actually are and this applies to everyone. You do not have an out here. The same applies to all. Caring and being honest is not a convenience.

And you have a safe journey ahead.

 

[sheepdogs1]

This thread gets worse every day.

Containment is the answer. So is love if you are an England Dan and John Ford Coley fan.

 

[coolm]

since we seem to have so many experts in here ... could you please explain to me the problem with reinfection?

My understanding is that the incubation period is a max of 15 days before symptoms appear (unless asymptomatic) and then after it takes the body 10 days to start antibody production after which the person is no longer contagious.

This would seem to suggest 25 days as the total time someone may be infectious from exposure to antibodies even if asymptomatic. BUT then we have reinfection. Now reports from Japan, China, Singapore, and Australia claim that reinfection is an issue as well.

So why don't the antibodies continue to prevent reinfection? Does the body stop producing them? Does the virus mutate making those antibodies useless?

why is reinfection an issue?? thank you for any direction you might provide.

 

[steverocks35]

since we seem to have so many experts in here ... could you please explain to me the problem with reinfection?

My understanding is that the incubation period is a max of 15 days before symptoms appear (unless asymptomatic) and then after it takes the body 10 days to start antibody production after which the person is no longer contagious.

This would seem to suggest 25 days as the total time someone may be infectious from exposure to antibodies even if asymptomatic. BUT then we have reinfection. Now reports from Japan, China, Singapore, and Australia claim that reinfection is an issue as well.

So why don't the antibodies continue to prevent reinfection? Does the body stop producing them? Does the virus mutate making those antibodies useless?

why is reinfection an issue?? thank you for any direction you might provide.

The correct answer is... nobody knows yet. This virus is giving scientists fits.

 

[coolm]

The correct answer is... nobody knows yet. This virus is giving scientists fits.

ahh, OK. That's why I can't find a definitive answer. This makes testing even more important because nothing short of complete eradication will protect us. This makes covid-19 a land-mine and with limited methods of detection we have GOT to take social distancing and other measures dead serious or this will just continue until mankind is either destroyed or sent back a millenia in progress and population.

It is like a video game. each point of contact between an infected person and a "non" is a 25 day time bomb. I've seen an old video game like this. It's like bomberman or something. When you're "it" you must stand still until "it" expires and "it" in this case is 25 days. Unfortunately while you're "it" you have a chance to die AND you can be "it" again as long as the virus still exists. interesting.

 

[sheepdogs1]

since we seem to have so many experts in here ... could you please explain to me the problem with reinfection?

My understanding is that the incubation period is a max of 15 days before symptoms appear (unless asymptomatic) and then after it takes the body 10 days to start antibody production after which the person is no longer contagious.

This would seem to suggest 25 days as the total time someone may be infectious from exposure to antibodies even if asymptomatic. BUT then we have reinfection. Now reports from Japan, China, Singapore, and Australia claim that reinfection is an issue as well.

So why don't the antibodies continue to prevent reinfection? Does the body stop producing them? Does the virus mutate making those antibodies useless?

why is reinfection an issue?? thank you for any direction you might provide.

We do not have "many" experts here. Most of us are concerned for our welfare as well as the welfare of others.

 

[WTSooner]

ahh, OK. That's why I can't find a definitive answer. This makes testing even more important because nothing short of complete eradication will protect us. This makes covid-19 a land-mine and with limited methods of detection we have GOT to take social distancing and other measures dead serious or this will just continue until mankind is either destroyed or sent back a millenia in progress and population.

It is like a video game. each point of contact between an infected person and a "non" is a 25 day time bomb. I've seen an old video game like this. It's like bomberman or something. When you're "it" you must stand still until "it" expires and "it" in this case is 25 days. Unfortunately while you're "it" you have a chance to die AND you can be "it" again as long as the virus still exists. interesting.

I'm sure steve will disagree, but it's not THAT serious. Wipe out mankind? Zero chance. I'm already hearing that scientists have discovered, or are getting close to discovering, treatments and vaccines. This isn't a completely new virus out of thin air. The science community has known about it for quite some time. As such, research on it didn't start from ground level once it started spreading. I, personally, am still of the opinion that summer (warmer weather) will likely kill it out or at least substantially slow the spread. Things might be ugly until then, but this isn't something that is going to keep us locked up for 18 months, as I've seen some suggest. But it also might not be over in 2 weeks like a bunch of us are hoping either.

 

[coolm]

I'm sure steve will disagree, but it's not THAT serious. Wipe out mankind? Zero chance. I'm already hearing that scientists have discovered, or are getting close to discovering, treatments and vaccines. This isn't a completely new virus out of thin air. The science community has known about it for quite some time. As such, research on it didn't start from ground level once it started spreading. I, personally, am still of the opinion that summer (warmer weather) will likely kill it out or at least substantially slow the spread. Things might be ugly until then, but this isn't something that is going to keep us locked up for 18 months, as I've seen some suggest. But it also might not be over in 2 weeks like a bunch of us are hoping either.

ask some of the warcraft players around here what happens when a newb ports back to Ironforge or Stormwind from a raid with an epidemic debuff still attached. I have seen this dynamic at work and you are SO incorrect.

If people don't follow the rules it will destroy a community. I have seen it happen a few times. We useta PLAN it for fun. I have wiped out Ironforge and Stormwind doing this. Killed thousands of real-life peoples' avatars. It most certainly works. That debuff lasts a few minutes ... this one lasts 30 days.

 

[WTSooner]

ask some of the warcraft players around here what happens when a newb ports back to Ironforge or Stormwind from a raid with an epidemic debuff still attached. I have seen this dynamic at work and you are SO incorrect.

If people don't follow the rules it will destroy a community. I have seen it happen a few times. We useta PLAN it for fun. I have wiped out Ironforge and Stormwind doing this. Killed thousands of real-life peoples' avatars. It most certainly works. That debuff lasts a few minutes ... this one lasts 30 days.

I once took OU football undefeated through multiple decades.

My point? Video games aren't real life.

 

[coolm]

I once took OU football undefeated through multiple decades.

My point? Video games aren't real life.

hmmm ... seems like the immunologists and professors agree with me ...

https://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=4946772?storyId=4946772

Oh, and make sure to read that carefully. It says that professors and scientists studied the WoW bloodplague debuff incident specifically for the exact situation we are talking about right now ... pandemics and human responses.

 

[steverocks35]

Coolm, my theory (and I’m just spit-balling, nothing scientific) on reinfection is that let’s say a person in China gets infected, has the infection for a few weeks, and develops antibodies.

Now, what’s an antibody? An antibody is like a key, and antigens (in this case protein structures on the surface of the virus) are the locks.

Now back to the Chinese guy. He’s “immune” but the virus is rampaging around the globe and going through millions of generations. A virus can go through more generations in a month than humans can in millions of years. So during that time it’s pretty easy for that virus to mutate. And if one of those mutations changes the protein structures on the surface of the virus, then the guy in China’s antibodies no longer confer immunity on him. Then all you need is for someone infected with the latest generation of the virus to go to China and start a new round of infections.

I’m not going to make any predictions about how many people will be wiped out but it’s not going to be pretty. We’ve got too many stubborn people not taking this seriously enough.

 

[WTSooner]

I’m not going to make any predictions about how many people will be wiped out but it’s not going to be pretty. We’ve got too many stubborn people not taking this seriously enough.

Honest question, what do you think the floor is for confirmed deaths, both globally and in the US?

 

[steverocks35]

By the way, just read this morning that half the Covid-19 infected people in ICU in the United States so far are under 65. This does not bode well. I’m wondering if our obesity in this country might be an issue.

 

[steverocks35]

Honest question, what do you think the floor is for confirmed deaths, both globally and in the US?

Let’s just do some quick math. On the low end, let’s say 1 billion people are infected by the virus by the time it’s all over, and a conservative mortality rate of 1.4 percent. That’s 14 million deaths .

 

[steverocks35]

In the United States, in the low end, and this is just a total guess, I’d say 5 million infected, at the same mortality rate thats 70,000 deaths. (Lots of things can change and bring that number down, but that is at this moment with no treatment and no vaccine)

 

[BoulderSooner]

There really are only about 3 outcomes.


1. The USA gets a handle on this in the next 30 days And slowly life goes back to normal.

2. The USA doesn’t get a handle on this but in 30 days decides to go back to norma any way and accepts that some +/- of the population will have a chance to die. And try to protect those at risk

3. Things are the same or worse in 3 day’s and we clamp down the country more.
At this point unemployment will be pushing 20% and will go much much higher. The entire financial system will fail soon after. We will have Marshall law Nationan wide. And then the country as we know it is over