MBB TPT2 TRANSFER PORTAL THREAD 2

[CoachTalk]

This year and one more. If no better than it’s time.

Doesn’t mean I can’t support.

 

[WichitaSooner]

Some are way too quick to equate caution with anti-Moser.
I like PM, personally. I was concerned about him when hired due to lack of regional ties, but I like his energy, use of timeouts, and increased ball movement compared to Kruger, whom I also liked and supported.

However, 2 years back, I was excited about getting a Duke PG and a guy who lit up KU in the tourney, only to be let down when the season played out. But I was still in Moser's camp and hoping for improvement.

Then, I was excited by getting a proven scorer and arhletic wing in GS and Bam, respectively, then dissappointed again when we got worse year-to-year.

I'm still hoping PM gets it done, but I'm not counting chickens until I see how it pans out. I don't think that's an anti-Moser stance.

I feel like many have expressed caution and legitimate concerns only to be labeled anti-Moser. I'd like to think we all want to see OU win every game, but it seems reasonable and fair to understand that many have concerns given we have few b12 level proven players, no 4 man, and yet another brutal schedule. Those things can be acknowledged without being anti-Moser or anti-OU, right?

Very well said. Much more diplomatic than I sometimes (usually?) am, but this sums up a lot of how I feel. The great thing about sports is that at the end of each game, the scoreboard doesn’t leave any grey area; you either win or lose. Thus far, no matter how much people want to search for positives or make excuses, the results have not been there. And you’re right — people have gone into each of the past two seasons saying that he has brought in good players and talking about how we have improved our depth and athleticism, and once the games start, it’s been very clear that isn’t the case. It’s very much an open question as to whether year three will be any different, no matter how many posts we see flattering the newcomers.

 

[steverocks35]

This year. If no better than it’s time.

Doesn’t mean I can’t support.

Fixed it for you

 

[WTSooner]

Fixed it for you

Yeah, I really don't see how we can be as bad as the last two years, again this year, and give him another year.

If he shows improvement, I agree he'll get another year. Improvement won't be super-easy to measure, given a new Big 12, but not finishing last and at least being on the bubble would be a start. Honestly, that is my floor. We better make the tournament or be one of the last couple of team out, or else I think it's time to move on.

 

[steverocks35]

Yeah, I really don't see how we can be as bad as the last two years, again this year, and give him another year.

If he shows improvement, I agree he'll get another year. Improvement won't be super-easy to measure, given a new Big 12, but not finishing last and at least being on the bubble would be a start. Honestly, that is my floor. We better make the tournament or be one of the last couple of team out, or else I think it's time to move on.

Yeah, not in the bottom 3 would be improvement so it may be Tournament or bust for Moser this season.

 

[WichitaSooner]

Yeah, not in the bottom 3 would be improvement so it may be Tournament or bust for Moser this season.

I think it has to be tourney or bust. No OU coach in decades has missed three straight years. Heck, Kelvin and Lon never missed two straight. And given how much easier it is to reload from a bad year with the portal, it just seems unfathomable that he would get another mulligan if he doesn’t get us there this year.

 

[WTSooner]

I think it has to be tourney or bust. No OU coach in decades has missed three straight years. Heck, Kelvin and Lon never missed two straight. And given how much easier it is to reload from a bad year with the portal, it just seems unfathomable that he would get another mulligan if he doesn’t get us there this year.

Kelvin only missed once during his entire OU tenure, right?

I wonder what Kelvin's career stat is (ie, years coached vs years not made the Dance)?

 

[Sooner Season]

This year and one more. If no better than it’s time.

Doesn’t mean I can’t support.

I'm legitimately curious Coach. Why would you give him one more year if this year doesn't show significant improvement?

 

[WichitaSooner]

Kelvin only missed once during his entire OU tenure, right?

I wonder what Kelvin's career stat is (ie, years coached vs years not made the Dance)?

Correct. I think his numbers would be skewed since he took over really bad Washington State and Houston programs, but when he has a roster with any talent to speak of, he won’t miss the tourney.

 

[CoachTalk]

I'm legitimately curious Coach. Why would you give him one more year if this year doesn't show significant improvement?

First year Covid. Took Kruger kids by default. Looking back. Not big 12 players. (In his system). His fault. Zoom sucks. No visits. Sucks.

I think even though 7-11. That first year. Maybe should’ve been in. If I remember correctly. Resume solid. (Could be wrong)

Year 2 snowballed. Had some great wins and horrible losses.

I think this year is better. I think ncaa tournament team.

Year 4 is do or die. His 4th year at LC started his run. He is a system. Culture guy. Similar to BV. But at the end of the day. Gotta produce.
Ou basketball isn’t Ou football.

 

[cowboysooner]

You stated my take/feeling on Moser exactly -- Coach.

I have been on this board longer than most and I don't mind people arguing and expressing opinions on the coaches. I have accepted that this is what happens on message boards. This being said, I do try and stay away from it because, regardless of whether a poster is right or not, or whether he/she has a right to post, negative posts aren't and can't be positive for the program or assist the program recruit kids. Kids and their parents read these boards. So, it is what it is. I get frustrated at times with our play and some of the decisions made by the staff, and privately off of hear, I express those negative thoughts but make an effort not to on here. Although, I would imagine I have made a post or two through the years that I regretted a day or two later. I really try and not demean or downgrade players.

Not for purpose of entering the debate, but just to have my opinion stated, I just don't think the staff has done a bad job. I just think you have to give a coach 4-5 years to build a program in all fairness. You guys don't care about finances, but it is expensive to replace staffs and support staffs and I think unfair to those that come into the program to disrupt their lives without giving them a fair chance to succeed. Financially, it is completely unsound to willy nilly replace entire staffs every year or two. Contrary to popular belief, OU doesn't print money and it has to at least try and be economically sound.

Who knows, but I would be surprised if Moser was not allowed to compete his contract regardless of record provided his conduct is proper. And, I don't know the length of his contract.

Like Coach, I think we are a little better this year and hopefully a NCAA tourney team. But in all fairness, I think I predicted this same thing last year.

 

[jaymOU]

First year Covid. Took Kruger kids by default. Looking back. Not big 12 players. (In his system). His fault. Zoom sucks. No visits. Sucks.

I think even though 7-11. That first year. Maybe should’ve been in. If I remember correctly. Resume solid. (Could be wrong)

Year 2 snowballed. Had some great wins and horrible losses.

I think this year is better. I think ncaa tournament team.

Year 4 is do or die. His 4th year at LC started his run. He is a system. Culture guy. Similar to BV. But at the end of the day. Gotta produce.
Ou basketball isn’t Ou football.

I can agree with most of this, but my struggles starts when I look at KSU and ISU and the turnarounds they had. Maybe they are both "flashes in the pan" but neither has the basketball tradition OU has - although both probably have better overall fan support.

Why can they do it and PM can't?

Also, I am not a huge fan of his style. I hated Kelvin's style, but they won. I loved Lon's style (for the most part) when they won. Winning trumps style every time. But watching the shot clock melt away dribbling between the circles only to fire up a 30-footer at the buzzer over and over is frustrating. The lack of end of half / end of shot clock execution puzzles me as PM is a "style" guy but they didn't seem to get many good looks late.

I will support PM and want him to succeed, but I believe it is NCAA tournament or bust.

Sorry to hijack this thread as I look here about 3 times a day to see if there is any portal news.

Is there even any smoke?

 

[WichitaSooner]

First year Covid. Took Kruger kids by default. Looking back. Not big 12 players. (In his system). His fault. Zoom sucks. No visits. Sucks.

I think even though 7-11. That first year. Maybe should’ve been in. If I remember correctly. Resume solid. (Could be wrong)

Year 2 snowballed. Had some great wins and horrible losses.

I think this year is better. I think ncaa tournament team.

Year 4 is do or die. His 4th year at LC started his run. He is a system. Culture guy. Similar to BV. But at the end of the day. Gotta produce.
Ou basketball isn’t Ou football.

Every coach in the country faced the same recruiting restrictions.

It simply doesn’t take 4-5 years to develop a successful team these days. It’s just not realistic to go about things that way any more. Think of it this way: the absolute best programs have tons of turnover because guys leave for the NBA or because they are stuck behind future pros. Mid majors lose guys who transfer up. Even P5 schools now lose guys who are looking for more playing time or a better NIL deal or a better fit with their coach. You can’t succeed if the only way you can win is by recruiting high school kids and hoping to keep them all for four years. That era is over. Moser needs to realize it, and so do fans.

 

[soonerchuck]

Great post cowboysooner & important points about trying to avoid damaging our coaches recruiting efforts by not well thought out negative comments

 

[WTSooner]

Great post & important points about trying to avoid damaging our coaches recruiting efforts by not well thought out negative comments

This is bogus.

Not a team in the country that doesn't have a message board with negative comments, if that is what you want to call them. Not a one.

No kid is going to not come to OU because a few posters have expressed displeasure with PM's accomplishments to date. I would hope said recruit felt the same way.

 

[steverocks35]

You stated my take/feeling on Moser exactly -- Coach.

I have been on this board longer than most and I don't mind people arguing and expressing opinions on the coaches. I have accepted that this is what happens on message boards. This being said, I do try and stay away from it because, regardless of whether a poster is right or not, or whether he/she has a right to post, negative posts aren't and can't be positive for the program or assist the program recruit kids. Kids and their parents read these boards. So, it is what it is. I get frustrated at times with our play and some of the decisions made by the staff, and privately off of hear, I express those negative thoughts but make an effort not to on here. Although, I would imagine I have made a post or two through the years that I regretted a day or two later. I really try and not demean or downgrade players.

Not for purpose of entering the debate, but just to have my opinion stated, I just don't think the staff has done a bad job. I just think you have to give a coach 4-5 years to build a program in all fairness. You guys don't care about finances, but it is expensive to replace staffs and support staffs and I think unfair to those that come into the program to disrupt their lives without giving them a fair chance to succeed. Financially, it is completely unsound to willy nilly replace entire staffs every year or two. Contrary to popular belief, OU doesn't print money and it has to at least try and be economically sound.

Who knows, but I would be surprised if Moser was not allowed to compete his contract regardless of record provided his conduct is proper. And, I don't know the length of his contract.

Like Coach, I think we are a little better this year and hopefully a NCAA tourney team. But in all fairness, I think I predicted this same thing last year.

So we can't say anything negative because it might scare off a recruit? That's the dumbest thing I've ever heard. Sheesh, if that was the case OU football would never land a recruit.

 

[CoachTalk]

I can agree with most of this, but my struggles starts when I look at KSU and ISU and the turnarounds they had. Maybe they are both "flashes in the pan" but neither has the basketball tradition OU has - although both probably have better overall fan support.

Why can they do it and PM can't?

Also, I am not a huge fan of his style. I hated Kelvin's style, but they won. I loved Lon's style (for the most part) when they won. Winning trumps style every time. But watching the shot clock melt away dribbling between the circles only to fire up a 30-footer at the buzzer over and over is frustrating. The lack of end of half / end of shot clock execution puzzles me as PM is a "style" guy but they didn't seem to get many good looks late.

I will support PM and want him to succeed, but I believe it is NCAA tournament or bust.

Sorry to hijack this thread as I look here about 3 times a day to see if there is any portal news.

Is there even any smoke?

Dead period now. Ou checking everyday. Recruiting everyday.

I see your points about Isu and ksu look at their arenas and support. Ou is a top 25 job. Period.

Ou doesn’t have that support. Kids want full arenas. They want NIL. They want to win. It all goes hand and hand.

 

[jaymOU]

Dead period now. Ou checking everyday. Recruiting everyday.

I see your points about Isu and ksu look at their arenas and support. Ou is a top 25 job. Period.

Ou doesn’t have that support. Kids want full arenas. They want NIL. They want to win. It all goes hand and hand.

Can't disagree with full areans, NIL and winning......all good points. OU has won without full arenas, certainly. NIL is so new and who really knows how much teams are spending. I don't anticipate ISU and KSU as big NIL schools, but maybe they are. Again, the NIL is a mystery.

The lack of even any rumors coming out of Norman right now is concerning. To quote Coach V - hard work done in the dark - is never seen. Hoping PM and staff are putting in that work.

Just don't feel like they can afford to end the transfer season with the roster as it is.

 

[skyvue]

I would be surprised if Moser was not allowed to compete his contract regardless of record provided his conduct is proper. And, I don't know the length of his contract.

They extended his contract by a year (perhaps they've done it both of his off-seasons, not sure). If he's not working out (not saying he won't), letting him finish his contract isn't doable if they keep extending it.

 

[NorthCarolinaSooner]

Can't disagree with full areans, NIL and winning......all good points. OU has won without full arenas, certainly. NIL is so new and who really knows how much teams are spending. I don't anticipate ISU and KSU as big NIL schools, but maybe they are. Again, the NIL is a mystery.

The lack of even any rumors coming out of Norman right now is concerning. To quote Coach V - hard work done in the dark - is never seen. Hoping PM and staff are putting in that work.

Just don't feel like they can afford to end the transfer season with the roster as it is.

Some schools (or alumni rather) spend more trying to field a top notch basketball team than football (or at least per player).....they just do. OU's priority in NIL is football. I'm not sure what they are spending in softball but if you listen to softball coaches it is more than others.

OU is spending money in NIL for basketball but not OUTspending alot of others, including some within the conference supposedly.

I don't know numbers....I just read stuff others are saying. None of us know what the NIL numbers actually are.

Hopefully we get things on track this year and make the tournament. Maybe we won't but Moser is surely on a shorter leash. Is it this year short? or next year short? we'll see. Hopefully we don't have to worry about it because he gets it turned around this year.