MBB TPT2 TRANSFER PORTAL THREAD 2

[Seymore Cox]

OU has to find the hidden gem leftovers.

 

[soonerchuck]

This is bogus.

Not a team in the country that doesn't have a message board with negative comments, if that is what you want to call them. Not a one.

No kid is going to not come to OU because a few posters have expressed displeasure with PM's accomplishments to date. I would hope said recruit felt the same way.

Your calling bogus doesn’t make it so. Just because fans on “every board” crap in their own bed, doesn’t make that right either. Part of the problem is that we have a small number of fans that seem to live on this board so they can sully nearly every thread with their negativity. It truly is tiresome having to wade through the same negative criticism over and over to find actual news or actual suggestions that coaches might find useful. The coaches certainly aren’t coming here to learn from the negative attacks posted by our live to complain" group.

 

[steverocks35]

Your calling bogus doesn’t make it so. Just because fans on “every board” crap in their own bed, doesn’t make that right either. Part of the problem is that we have a small number of fans that seem to live on this board so they can sully nearly every thread with their negativity. It truly is tiresome having to wade through the same negative criticism over and over to find actual news or actual suggestions that coaches might find useful. The coaches certainly aren’t coming here to learn from the negative attacks posted by our live to complain" group.

Uh oh, we better stay perky positive so Chuck here doesn't have to "wade through" our posts looking for news.

 

[pnkranger]

Potential to pick up some people who go through draft process and decide to return to college.

 

[WTSooner]

Your calling bogus doesn’t make it so. Just because fans on “every board” crap in their own bed, doesn’t make that right either. Part of the problem is that we have a small number of fans that seem to live on this board so they can sully nearly every thread with their negativity. It truly is tiresome having to wade through the same negative criticism over and over to find actual news or actual suggestions that coaches might find useful. The coaches certainly aren’t coming here to learn from the negative attacks posted by our live to complain" group.

I'll do you a favor. There isn't going to be any news for the next 10 days. Don't bother "wading through" actual discussion about OU basketball, good or bad, looking for said news. It won't be there.

 

[WichitaSooner]

Potential to pick up some people who go through draft process and decide to return to college.

Maybe Victor Wembanyama will be impressed with our effective FG percentage and decide to take a chance on us.

Kidding aside, I don't see anyone who got even a G League combo invite considering us. Players like that have plenty of suitors, and that usually leaves us in the dust. Look at Keshad Johnson -- we were supposedly one of two finalists, then other schools got involved and now he seems like an extreme longshot.

 

[CoachTalk]

Maybe Victor Wembanyama will be impressed with our effective FG percentage and decide to take a chance on us.

Kidding aside, I don't see anyone who got even a G League combo invite considering us. Players like that have plenty of suitors, and that usually leaves us in the dust. Look at Keshad Johnson -- we were supposedly one of two finalists, then other schools got involved and now he seems like an extreme longshot.

Kentucky or OU?

 

[SoonerBounce13]

Your calling bogus doesn’t make it so. Just because fans on “every board” crap in their own bed, doesn’t make that right either. Part of the problem is that we have a small number of fans that seem to live on this board so they can sully nearly every thread with their negativity. It truly is tiresome having to wade through the same negative criticism over and over to find actual news or actual suggestions that coaches might find useful. The coaches certainly aren’t coming here to learn from the negative attacks posted by our live to complain" group.

I'm as tired of the negative posters as well.
But it has no effect on recruits

 

[WichitaSooner]

Kentucky or OU?

Huh? We were told it was OU or USC, now Kentucky and Arizona and Tech are in the mix. Point being, guys who are good enough to still be going through the draft process are going to have lots of suitors. Do you see Moser winning any of those battles? The more likely scenario is that those players go elsewhere, and we settle for the leftovers as part of the trickle down effect.

 

[CoachTalk]

Can't disagree with full areans, NIL and winning......all good points. OU has won without full arenas, certainly. NIL is so new and who really knows how much teams are spending. I don't anticipate ISU and KSU as big NIL schools, but maybe they are. Again, the NIL is a mystery.

The lack of even any rumors coming out of Norman right now is concerning. To quote Coach V - hard work done in the dark - is never seen. Hoping PM and staff are putting in that work.

Just don't feel like they can afford to end the transfer season with the roster as it is.

Lack of rumors?

Things are slow bc dead period has started. There is no rush now. Summer classes is the timeline now.

Ku processed guys out that are likely headed to Duke. Legit 4 men are hard to find.

 

[CoachTalk]

Huh? We were told it was OU or USC, now Kentucky and Arizona and Tech are in the mix. Point being, guys who are good enough to still be going through the draft process are going to have lots of suitors. Do you see Moser winning any of those battles? The more likely scenario is that those players go elsewhere, and we settle for the leftovers as part of the trickle down effect.

I’m saying who would a non pro OU player pick.

Uk or OU. All signs are KJ to UK next weekend

sure. McCollum over some good ones. Grant over Gonzaga last year:


Yeah. Bluebloods. Nil powers. Leftovers. That’s how life works in ncaa sports now.

 

[CoachTalk]

Every coach in the country faced the same recruiting restrictions.

It simply doesn’t take 4-5 years to develop a successful team these days. It’s just not realistic to go about things that way any more. Think of it this way: the absolute best programs have tons of turnover because guys leave for the NBA or because they are stuck behind future pros. Mid majors lose guys who transfer up. Even P5 schools now lose guys who are looking for more playing time or a better NIL deal or a better fit with their coach. You can’t succeed if the only way you can win is by recruiting high school kids and hoping to keep them all for four years. That era is over. Moser needs to realize it, and so do fans.

He asked my opinion. I gave it.


This is why people get worn out from your post.

 

[NorthCarolinaSooner]

Every coach in the country faced the same recruiting restrictions.

It simply doesn’t take 4-5 years to develop a successful team these days. It’s just not realistic to go about things that way any more. Think of it this way: the absolute best programs have tons of turnover because guys leave for the NBA or because they are stuck behind future pros. Mid majors lose guys who transfer up. Even P5 schools now lose guys who are looking for more playing time or a better NIL deal or a better fit with their coach. You can’t succeed if the only way you can win is by recruiting high school kids and hoping to keep them all for four years. That era is over. Moser needs to realize it, and so do fans.

I'm not trying to argue this point but this is patently false. Some people don't want to face the fact of the restraints that were on PM when he came in.
He was hired in April. Recruiting is about building relationships. You don't build those in weeks. It takes months and years to really do it. He was hampered by the covid and no visits stuff and even though others were too most had the luxury of already having most of those relationships built.
The best of Krugers recruits bolted...they had some guts but had to replace a lot.
Transfer rules changed a lot.
NIL is new....some of you don't want to factor that in but it is a factor.
I'm not saying PM doesn't bare some blame but he had some obstacles not everyone had at first.
The one thing I DO disagree with some people here is that the team wasn't as bad as some of you want to make it out. Yes they had a poor season overall but they weren't as bad as some want to think.
Recruiting just simply about "we have playing time" and the guys here who think that is the biggest draw just don't know how it works.
It absolutely takes 4-5 years to build a program and that is why you see 5 year contracts. You can try to argue that all you want but you use the same outlier seasons every time.
ksu struck lightning on transfers this year and have done a good job paralying that into a good class this year.

 

[WichitaSooner]

He asked my opinion. I gave it.


This is why people get worn out from your post.

And I, in turn, gave mine, which was based on facts. I’m so sorry if my posts don’t go over well with the Moser stans.

 

[WichitaSooner]

I'm not trying to argue this point but this is patently false. Some people don't want to face the fact of the restraints that were on PM when he came in.
He was hired in April. Recruiting is about building relationships. You don't build those in weeks. It takes months and years to really do it. He was hampered by the covid and no visits stuff and even though others were too most had the luxury of already having most of those relationships built.
The best of Krugers recruits bolted...they had some guts but had to replace a lot.
Transfer rules changed a lot.
NIL is new....some of you don't want to factor that in but it is a factor.
I'm not saying PM doesn't bare some blame but he had some obstacles not everyone had at first.
The one thing I DO disagree with some people here is that the team wasn't as bad as some of you want to make it out. Yes they had a poor season overall but they weren't as bad as some want to think.
Recruiting just simply about "we have playing time" and the guys here who think that is the biggest draw just don't know how it works.
It absolutely takes 4-5 years to build a program and that is why you see 5 year contracts. You can try to argue that all you want but you use the same outlier seasons every time.
ksu struck lightning on transfers this year and have done a good job paralying that into a good class this year.

Absolutely laughable. Look at rosters across the country right now. Tell me how many players are playing for schools and/or coaches who recruited them for years and years. Maybe some guys transfer to a school that recruited them a bit out of high school, but for the most part, guys get in the portal, they are contacted by a bunch of schools, and within a few weeks, they choose a new home. I’m sure that wasn’t how it worked when you coached at a lower level, but that’s how it is in the D-1 sandbox these days.

And you can call ISU and KSU outliers, but I’ve cited many others. But I could cite 100 and you’d just come up with an excuse for why they had it easier than poor Moser.

And I’m glad we weren’t that bad last season. I guess my non-coaching eyes are what fooled me into thinking that a team that didn’t win consecutive games after mid-December and looked like garbage more often than not for the final 10 weeks was not good. But hey, we beat Bama!

Also, when do most college basketball coaches get hired? I’ve seen this point made numerous times and don’t get it. College teams never hire a new coach during the season. It always happens in about a two or three week period in March and early April. The reason Moser was in the later stage of that period is because Lon had our team playing into the second round of the tournament … and therefore in better position than most programs who are looking for a new coach. And if it takes years and years and years to build relationships and recruit, does it really matter that he was hired a couple weeks later than some guys?

 

[TINY]

The reason Moser was in the later stage of that period is because Lon had our team playing into the second round of the tournament …

This statement is woefully incorrect. The reason he was hired later than most was because his Loyola team beat the 1 seed to advance to the sweet 16. Their season was still going after Lon retired. Moser wasn’t taking interviews until his season was over. Had literally nothing to do with what Lon did that year.

 

[StoopsBros]

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[WichitaSooner]

This statement is woefully incorrect. The reason he was hired later than most was because his Loyola team beat the 1 seed to advance to the sweet 16. Their season was still going after Lon retired. Moser wasn’t taking interviews until his season was over. Had literally nothing to do with what Lon did that year.

So you think Joe C would have been in a position to hire him sooner if his team hadn’t made the Sweet 16? Lon retired on March 25. Again, because he was still coaching the team four days prior. So yes, we were a couple weeks behind schools like Iowa State. I’d still rather be Moser and start a couple weeks later with a good team than be the guy coming to an ISU team that went 0-19.

 

[Eielson]

Lol no way. Half would probably be encouraged by a winning record to start..

I guarantee Kevin Kruger's burner account will find a way to complain.

 

[Soonerb98]

If one accepts the notion that NIL has transformed the game and roster management, it's impossible to say whether it takes 5 years to turn around a program at this point, because the NIL era is less than 5 years old. There is no data to directly test that assertion. The fact that many teams are turning over 50% of the roster or more every year does imply that it can be done quicker from a talent perspective. How culture is impacted and the relative importance of culture vs talent in building a winning program is an open question. My gut says that coaches better start learning to build culture in less than 5 years if they want to be successful, but that's just my guess.

All that aside, citing things all coaches face,like the portal and covid, is a poor explanation for the disappointing results of the short Moser era at OU. I only hope we're not grasping at these same straws next year, but time will tell