MBB TPT2 TRANSFER PORTAL THREAD 2

steverocks35 said:
How can argue that we had any kind of competitive season last year? Wow
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Yep. I'm not going to have this conversation with somebody that thinks we were overly competitive last season. Did we have our moments? Of course. But more often then not, we were not playing a winning brand of basketball.
 
WichitaSooner said:
Exactly. Not even the Washington Generals get blown out every game. That doesn't make them competitive.
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So, you are going to compare our season with the Washington Generals? The team that travels with the Globetrotters and have won exactly 3 times in their history vs the Globetrotters?

Completely sane argument and goes right long with the entire thread.
 
skyvue said:
Then one might ask why they've given him at least one extension. I'm not saying he'll never deserve one, but after last season? I think it would have been more prudent to say, "Let's see how the next couple of seasons go, then perhaps we'll consider an extension." If the buyout is a problem, extensions just make that hole deeper.
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Because they aren’t even thinking about firing the coach. Even if we miss the tournament this year I highly doubt any move is made unless a donor is willing to pay for the buyout and the buyout of the next coach.
 
NorthCarolinaSooner said:
So, you are going to compare our season with the Washington Generals? The team that travels with the Globetrotters and have won exactly 3 times in their history vs the Globetrotters?

Completely sane argument and goes right long with the entire thread.
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You apparently have no idea how exaggeration can be used to make or rebut a point in argument. Your point, and that of at least one other poster, appears to be that because we didn't lose all our games by huge margins, we had a competitive season.

When you have to basically say, "hey, sometimes we got blown out, but other times, we only lost by a little, and once in a blue moon, we beat someone" in order to argue that we were competitive, it shows that you simply won't acknowledge reality. Why is it hard to just admit we had a terrible year? Same with our football fans trying to justify 6-7 by making all kinds of excuses. Just admit it was a huge failure and hope that it doesn't happen again, and acknowledge that if it does, things need to change.
 
SoonerBounce13 said:
Really? You are better than that.
Do we have to post our results against top teams for you guys again?
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I can give you a sneak preview -- lots of "Ls" with a "W" mixed in once every four or five games. And not a single occurrence of back-to-back "Ws."
 
By my count, we were competitive in 22 of the 32 games (I could be off by a game).
Considering our SOS, this IMO can be seen as some kind of competitiveness.

We were very competitive against most of our toughest opponents.
We had some really bad performances and some head scratchers.
But I'd question anyone that said we weren't competitive in any capacity last year
 
Eielson said:
If they gave him an extension after this past season, then that's news to me.
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I think I got it wrong. He was definitely extended in March 2022, but I can find no record of an extension in 2023.

I stand by my comment, though. Extending a first-year coach's contract when the team missed out on the tourney seems foolish. Let him earn an extension. Had he come in and led the team to a top four conference finish with a win or two in the NCAA tourney, that's a different matter, but with the results of the 2021-22 season, giving him an extension was ill-advised.
 
steverocks35 said:
We are talking a competitive *season* not a competitive *game*.

So yes, a competitive season refers to wins and losses, not how you did in individual games.
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LOL this is asinine. A season is made up of games. If you are competitive in the majority of your games against top rpi teams, I would call that a competitive season. If you want to make it about Ws then go ahead...but that is an entirely different conversation.

We were competitive against the following RPI teams:
55,49,16,51,6,27,42,8,23,12,1,46,12,28,6,17

Of course more often than not we didn't finish with the W
 
SoonerBounce13 said:
So to be competitive, it has to be a W? Odd definition there
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So what is your cutoff for how many need to be wins? Let's say a team goes 5-27 but all the losses are "close." Is that a competitive season? How about 10-22? Or 0-32? At some point, you have to win games.

And you say we were competitive in 22 of 32 games -- let's be honest, several of our noncon games were against bad teams. Against legit competition, the number drops.
 
SoonerBounce13 said:
LOL this is asinine. A season is made up of games. If you are competitive in the majority of your games against top rpi teams, I would call that a competitive season. If you want to make it about Ws then go ahead...but that is an entirely different conversation.

We were competitive against the following RPI teams:
55,49,16,51,6,27,42,8,23,12,1,46,12,28,6,17

Of course more often than not we didn't finish with the W
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Yikes, this is just sad
 
TINY said:
Because they aren’t even thinking about firing the coach. Even if we miss the tournament this year I highly doubt any move is made unless a donor is willing to pay for the buyout and the buyout of the next coach.
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Coach Moser is at best an open question right now (and the same was true after his first season). The results so far have been bad. I get that it may be too soon to make a final judgment on him, but by your own logic, any extension just deepens the financial hole the program may one day have to dig out of.

Any new coach is, in effect, on probation--We've hired you, we're paying you generously, and now it's up to you to prove you're worthy of our trust. It's not just Coach Moser who should be viewed that way. Venables should, too. So should the new soccer coach. Only when and if those coaches deliver what's expected of them--or at the very least take major, measurable steps toward achieving those goals--then an extension is a reasonable option.

I would argue against extending BV right now, and I'm more confident in him at present than I am Moser. But neither has yet seen his team deliver on the field/court. When the progress of the program is clear and established, then an extension can reasonably be considered. But until that happens, extensions just make it harder to move on from a (potentially) failed hire.
 
skyvue said:
Coach Moser is at best an open question right now (and the same was true after his first season). The results so far have been bad. I get that it may be too soon to make a final judgment on him, but by your own logic, any extension just deepens the financial hole the program may one day have to dig out of.

Any new coach is, in effect, on probation--We've hired you, we're paying you generously, and now it's up to you to prove you're worthy of our trust. It's not just Coach Moser who should be viewed that way. Venables should, too. So should the new soccer coach. Only when and if those coaches deliver what's expected of them--or at the very least take major, measurable steps toward achieving those goals--then an extension is a reasonable option.

I would argue against extending BV right now, and I'm more confident in him at present than I am Moser. But neither has yet seen his team deliver on the field/court. When the progress of the program is clear and established, then an extension can reasonably be considered. But until that happens, extensions just make it harder to move on from a (potentially) failed hire.
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I think most colleges are way too quick with extensions. They are afraid of losing a coach to another program, so they extend and/or offer raises. Sometimes it works, but often it backfires and ends up costing you a buyout, or forcing you to keep a guy longer than you want. Usually, the extension at least follows a successful season, so I agree that it was odd to give Moser one after his first year ended in the NIT. Was there any reason to fear that we were going to lose him to a better job after one year? Why not wait and see how he does coaching in a good league for the first time in his life?
 
WichitaSooner said:
So what is your cutoff for how many need to be wins? Let's say a team goes 5-27 but all the losses are "close." Is that a competitive season? How about 10-22? Or 0-32? At some point, you have to win games.

And you say we were competitive in 22 of 32 games -- let's be honest, several of our noncon games were against bad teams. Against legit competition, the number drops.
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If we go 0-32 and lose each game by 1 point, I would consider us competitive
 
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