MBB TPT2 TRANSFER PORTAL THREAD 2

[thebigabd]

Fair enough--my memory failed me. But I don't see Soares as a major addition (I know some might disagree); his stats are worse than Hill's. And while there may be time to land someone better than Hill, is there even a hint that we're in on--much less a favorite for--such a player?

And several posters dismissed the loss of Hill as no big deal, even a good thing. That implies that we should have no trouble replacing him, improving upon him, does it not? That hasn't proven to be the case so far.

As for going small, which some have fallen back on, it's nice to have that option in certain situations; it's not so nice to have no choice but to go with four guards.

I think there is some wisdom here, and I'd like to use it to make a bigger point about the portal. When you sign a high school guy, juco guy, younger dudes who are still developing, in nearly all cases they get A LOT better when they get to college, develop physically, learn the game, etc.

These portal dudes are mercenaries, and you shouldn't expect them to be a whole lot different than where they came from. Soares is 5 years removed from high school, by way of juco and then onto Oregon. He averaged 7 points and 3 rebounds per game, shot 25% from 3. I wouldn't expect much more out of him than that. He's not going to get a ton better, plus you have to factor in he's getting used to a new system and team. 7 and 3 is solid role player production, but thats what he's gonna be. He's not going to come into a harder league and average 14/5 or something. There are exceptions of course, but most of these guys are done developing at that rate.

For Hugley, he put up 15 and 8 in the ACC. That is fantastic production. He had 19/6 against a top 5 Duke team, he had 32/13 against Boston College, 25/14 against Minnesota, 17/6 against West Virginia, 23/7 against Virginia, 17/12 against Wake Forest, etc. If he's healthy and back in that form, he can be All Big 12.

McCollum is the big question mark... only a sophomore, still developing, but coming up from Siena. You have seen guys with big numbers like that come out and flop, and seen them do great. We really just won't know until he plays but he is going to be way less predictable than P5 transfers who are coming over as seniors/super seniors.

 

[BoulderSooner]

I think there is some wisdom here, and I'd like to use it to make a bigger point about the portal. When you sign a high school guy, juco guy, younger dudes who are still developing, in nearly all cases they get A LOT better when they get to college, develop physically, learn the game, etc.

These portal dudes are mercenaries, and you shouldn't expect them to be a whole lot different than where they came from. Soares is 5 years removed from high school, by way of juco and then onto Oregon. He averaged 7 points and 3 rebounds per game, shot 25% from 3. I wouldn't expect much more out of him than that. He's not going to get a ton better, plus you have to factor in he's getting used to a new system and team. 7 and 3 is solid role player production, but thats what he's gonna be. He's not going to come into a harder league and average 14/5 or something. There are exceptions of course, but most of these guys are done developing at that rate.

For Hugley, he put up 15 and 8 in the ACC. That is fantastic production. He had 19/6 against a top 5 Duke team, he had 32/13 against Boston College, 25/14 against Minnesota, 17/6 against West Virginia, 23/7 against Virginia, 17/12 against Wake Forest, etc. If he's healthy and back in that form, he can be All Big 12.

McCollum is the big question mark... only a sophomore, still developing, but coming up from Siena. You have seen guys with big numbers like that come out and flop, and seen them do great. We really just won't know until he plays but he is going to be way less predictable than P5 transfers who are coming over as seniors/super seniors.

this is all very reasonable

 

[TINY]

Fair enough--my memory failed me. But I don't see Soares as a major addition (I know some might disagree); his stats are worse than Hill's. And while there may be time to land someone better than Hill, is there even a hint that we're in on--much less a favorite for--such a player?

And several posters dismissed the loss of Hill as no big deal, even a good thing. That implies that we should have no trouble replacing him, improving upon him, does it not? That hasn't proven to be the case so far.

As for going small, which some have fallen back on, it's nice to have that option in certain situations; it's not so nice to have no choice but to go with four guards.

For me, I think Hill is a loss but that we ultimately need to do better than him at the 4. I was hopeful we would, but didn’t guarantee anything based on our NIL inadequacies.

I will say this, if Soares is the closest thing we have for a hill replacement, then I will be disappointed in that result. Not because I think hill is all that much better than Soares, but we need an upgrade over hill to get where we need to go imo.

 

[WTSooner]

For me, I think Hill is a loss but that we ultimately need to do better than him at the 4. I was hopeful we would, but didn’t guarantee anything based on our NIL inadequacies.

I will say this, if Soares is the closest thing we have for a hill replacement, then I will be disappointed in that result. Not because I think hill is all that much better than Soares, but we need an upgrade over hill to get where we need to go imo.

Agree with this except for the NIL part. If NIL wasn't prohibitive in us landing McCollum and Hugley, it shouldn't have kept us from landing a 4.

And I know Portal season isn't over yet, so we might still land one. I just don't blame NIL for us not having one at this point.

 

[Soonerguy06]

I watched a video of Luke playing Tulsa Union his senior year and he played pretty well. I think his line score ended up being 29-9-1 and he looked very athletic for a man his size. I think he shot 39% from three his senior year also. Hopefully he surprises us and becomes that serviceable 4/5 that we need. I just think it’s silly to write him off until we see him play. *

I also have high hopes for Northweather. I think they redshirted him to get him ready to have an active role this coming season, and he's got the potential to do so, I hope! If anything, could he be much worse than younger Groves? Not saying Groves was horrible, but he was unpredictable at best. I'm hoping this team pleasantly surprises us, rather than disappoints us again.

 

[NorthCarolinaSooner]

I think there is some wisdom here, and I'd like to use it to make a bigger point about the portal. When you sign a high school guy, juco guy, younger dudes who are still developing, in nearly all cases they get A LOT better when they get to college, develop physically, learn the game, etc.

These portal dudes are mercenaries, and you shouldn't expect them to be a whole lot different than where they came from. Soares is 5 years removed from high school, by way of juco and then onto Oregon. He averaged 7 points and 3 rebounds per game, shot 25% from 3. I wouldn't expect much more out of him than that. He's not going to get a ton better, plus you have to factor in he's getting used to a new system and team. 7 and 3 is solid role player production, but thats what he's gonna be. He's not going to come into a harder league and average 14/5 or something. There are exceptions of course, but most of these guys are done developing at that rate.

For Hugley, he put up 15 and 8 in the ACC. That is fantastic production. He had 19/6 against a top 5 Duke team, he had 32/13 against Boston College, 25/14 against Minnesota, 17/6 against West Virginia, 23/7 against Virginia, 17/12 against Wake Forest, etc. If he's healthy and back in that form, he can be All Big 12.

McCollum is the big question mark... only a sophomore, still developing, but coming up from Siena. You have seen guys with big numbers like that come out and flop, and seen them do great. We really just won't know until he plays but he is going to be way less predictable than P5 transfers who are coming over as seniors/super seniors.

I agree with everything you said.....one caveat with Soares though is that he shot 25% last year but he shot 34.5% from 3 in juco on a little over 5 three pointers per game. So there is some hope that he would shoot better from three.

That being said I still think we need a solid 4......I just think we still have a chance to find one. I'm not panicking yet and I think that we don't HAVE to have an all-american but we need to find a solid one.

 

[NorthCarolinaSooner]

Agree with this except for the NIL part. If NIL wasn't prohibitive in us landing McCollum and Hugley, it shouldn't have kept us from landing a 4.

And I know Portal season isn't over yet, so we might still land one. I just don't blame NIL for us not having one at this point.

I don't blame NIL either but I DO think it plays a factor for those top tier guys that everyone gets so bent out of shape about us losing out on.

 

[WTSooner]

I don't blame NIL either but I DO think it plays a factor for those top tier guys that everyone gets so bent out of shape about us losing out on.

Like McCollum? He was a top 10 Portal guy according to 247.

I get it, some kids want NIL, but there are plenty that either don't, or aren't looking to break the bank. It's hit or miss, and it's why having a good team or good recruiters is so important.

 

[NorthCarolinaSooner]

Like McCollum? He was a top 10 Portal guy according to 247.

I get it, some kids want NIL, but there are plenty that either don't, or aren't looking to break the bank. It's hit or miss, and it's why having a good team or good recruiters is so important.

Which brings me to why people complain about us getting guys X Y and Z when they don't know if it were a NIL situation or not.......and McCollum is a high rated guard in the portal but he also came from Siena.....so his "asking price" for NIL was probably not what it would be for a high major transfer or a previous top 20-type player. I would assume guys transferring from say Kentucky are probably way more interested in the money side of things.

Pure conjecture and I agree with you that NIL is probably way more important for some guys than others. I would also guess that bigs are way harder to come by than guards so it is easier to find good guards than it is to find quality bigs.

 

[TINY]

Which brings me to why people complain about us getting guys X Y and Z when they don't know if it were a NIL situation or not.......and McCollum is a high rated guard in the portal but he also came from Siena.....so his "asking price" for NIL was probably not what it would be for a high major transfer or a previous top 20-type player. I would assume guys transferring from say Kentucky are probably way more interested in the money side of things.

Pure conjecture and I agree with you that NIL is probably way more important for some guys than others. I would also guess that bigs are way harder to come by than guards so it is easier to find good guards than it is to find quality bigs.

Yea, the basic economics suggest that the big men are going to garner more NIL bucks given there are less of them than there are guards. Scarcer resources tend to cost more to acquire.

Maybe we used a lot of our NIL fund to get Hugley, and we are struggling to meet NIL demands for a starting quality 4? I will say that the Tyson situation didn’t seem like a pure NIL play as much as he just didn’t want to go to ou from the beginning. His brother possibly going there changed some things momentarily but I have a hard time believing Cal just offered an NIL package that is more competitive than OU.

 

[skyvue]

It's not news that portal player rankings can vary wildly, but I hadn't really looked at rankings this off-season. "Vary wildly" is an understatement.

McCollum
On3 121
247 11
Rivals (unranked out of 150)
Athletic 69
ResourceNexus 353

Hugley
On3 46
247 75
Rivals 35
Athletic (unranked out of 90)
ResourceNexus 87

Soares
On3 203
247 (unranked out of 265)
Rivals (unranked out of 150)
Athletic (unranked out of 90)
ResourceNexus 237

Hill
On3 126
247 43
Rivals (unranked out of 150)
Athletic 90
ResourceNexus 44

Oddly, Rivals has Noland ranked 21 and Bamisile at 119.

I hadn't heard of ResourceNexus. They say their ranking "takes into account player efficiency rating adjusted for strength of schedule and a few other factors. Efficiency is simply a statistical impact per possession."

 

[cowboysooner]

BTW, did we actually get hugley. I haven't seen an official release by the University yet. Did I miss it or should we be worried? Thanks.

And on an unrelated topic, Coach you have seen Cooper play, what is your take on him as a player. He looks pretty highly rated. For example, what kind of outside shooter is he and will he be a reliable three point shooter, or is he more of a score around the rim guy like Oweh. Thanks in advance

 

[allday92]

BTW, did we actually get hugley. I haven't seen an official release by the University yet. Did I miss it or should we be worried? Thanks.

Hugely is official, just announced.

 

[BoulderSooner]

Hugely is official, just announced.

[TWEET]https://twitter.com/OU_MBBall/status/1658569410460913664?s=20[/TWEET]

 

[hoopsaustin]

It's not news that portal player rankings can vary wildly, but I hadn't really looked at rankings this off-season. "Vary wildly" is an understatement.

McCollum
On3 121
247 11
Rivals (unranked out of 150)
Athletic 69
ResourceNexus 353

Hugley
On3 46
247 75
Rivals 35
Athletic (unranked out of 90)
ResourceNexus 87

Soares
On3 203
247 (unranked out of 265)
Rivals (unranked out of 150)
Athletic (unranked out of 90)
ResourceNexus 237

Hill
On3 126
247 43
Rivals (unranked out of 150)
Athletic 90
ResourceNexus 44

Oddly, Rivals has Noland ranked 21 and Bamisile at 119.

I hadn't heard of ResourceNexus. They say their ranking "takes into account player efficiency rating adjusted for strength of schedule and a few other factors. Efficiency is simply a statistical impact per possession."

Noland 21? Lol i guess i need to look into a new site for basketball rankings..

 

[BoulderSooner]

Noland 21? Lol i guess i need to look into a new site for basketball rankings..

no doubt ..

 

[61sooner]

KU added 6'10" Parker Braun from Santa Clara in the portal. OU wouldn't be in the running as his brother played for KU.
But Self gets a backup who might be a starter at OU.
What does that say about OU as a destination program when the bluebloods get reserves who could start for us from the portal?

 

[allday92]

KU added 6'10" Parker Braun from Santa Clara in the portal. OU wouldn't be in the running as his brother played for KU.
But Self gets a backup who might be a starter at OU.
What does that say about OU as a destination program when the bluebloods get reserves who could start for us from the portal?

He's a worse Jacob Groves. Look at his stats.

 

[BoulderSooner]

KU added 6'10" Parker Braun from Santa Clara in the portal. OU wouldn't be in the running as his brother played for KU.
But Self gets a backup who might be a starter at OU.
What does that say about OU as a destination program when the bluebloods get reserves who could start for us from the portal?

he would not be a starter at OU

 

[thebigabd]

If you look at Hugley not last year, but the year before, how is he not a top 3 portal recruit? The dude was insanely productive in the ACC. If he is healthy and in that form I don't see why he can't be 1st team all league, or 2nd team all league.

Am I missing something here?