Tayshawn Thomas news

[Sooner23]

 

[DenverSooner]

That clip is pretty appropriate. Are they ever going to rule?

Sometimes I wonder if it is not something to do with OU's staff and the timeliness and appropriate details of their appeals that causes these delays. It seems like it happens every time OU needs a ruling. The linebacker a few years ago, Saunders, DGB, Mayfield, Thomas, etc. etc. all seem to take a very long time.

 

[AdaSooner]

That clip is pretty appropriate. Are they ever going to rule?

Sometimes I wonder if it is not something to do with OU's staff and the timeliness and appropriate details of their appeals that causes these delays. It seems like it happens every time OU needs a ruling. The linebacker a few years ago, Saunders, DGB, Mayfield, Thomas, etc. etc. all seem to take a very long time.

I agree, it does seem that every appeal or special ruling involving the Sooners is denied, and/or it takes a lot longer than similar situations we see with other schools.

I could be wrong, but I think it's possible there is may be some bottled up resentment over the lawsuit OU and Georgia filed, and won, against the NCAA in the mid 80s. If there is a better explanation out there than the theory my active imagination won't let go of, I would sure like to hear it.

 

[inoref]

I agree, it does seem that every appeal or special ruling involving the Sooners is denied, and/or it takes a lot longer than similar situations we see with other schools.

I could be wrong, but I think it's possible there is may be some bottled up resentment over the lawsuit OU and Georgia filed, and won, against the NCAA in the mid 80s. If there is a better explanation out there than the theory my active imagination won't let go of, I would sure like to hear it.

Could also be OU doesn't fight as hard as other schools in these battles.

 

[jerry]

Could also be OU doesn't fight as hard as other schools in these battles.

That is believable. Castiglione and Boren too busy with political agenda's.

 

[JBaker]

I agree, it does seem that every appeal or special ruling involving the Sooners is denied, and/or it takes a lot longer than similar situations we see with other schools.

I could be wrong, but I think it's possible there is may be some bottled up resentment over the lawsuit OU and Georgia filed, and won, against the NCAA in the mid 80s. If there is a better explanation out there than the theory my active imagination won't let go of, I would sure like to hear it.

We'll see how quickly they rule on Gurley...

 

[vbdad]

The NCAA certainly moves slow but our compliance office didn't turn in the innitial appeal until several months after Thomas had been in Norman.

 

[sperry]

Under what theory are we trying to get the waiver? Because nothing I've seen postulated gives me any hope that hte NCAA would rule in our favor. The NCAA screws us even when we have a great case, and here I haven't seen anything compelling that leads me to believe he'd be ruled eligible.

 

[AdaSooner]

The NCAA certainly moves slow but our compliance office didn't turn in the innitial appeal until several months after Thomas had been in Norman.

I remember you saying that now, vbdad.

It would be interesting to know if the delays and the argument presented in the appeals we've lost in the last couple of years have been the product of a weak compliance department, or are they due to extenuating circumstances we don't know about? I would hate to think that the university hired the wrong people to get the job done, so I'll assume it's the latter.

 

[sperry]

I remember you saying that now, vbdad.

It would be interesting to know if the delays and the argument presented in the appeals we've lost in the last couple of years have been the product of a weak compliance department, or are they due to extenuating circumstances we don't know about? I would hate to think that the university hired the wrong people to get the job done, so I'll assume it's the latter.

I'll say this. If Stoops thought the people handling his guys appeals weren't doing a good job, you can be damn sure that he'd have them replaced. Joe C is a smart guy as well, and I can't imagine he's letting incompetents screw this up.

 

[AdaSooner]

Under what theory are we trying to get the waiver? Because nothing I've seen postulated gives me any hope that hte NCAA would rule in our favor. The NCAA screws us even when we have a great case, and here I haven't seen anything compelling that leads me to believe he'd be ruled eligible.

One of the things a few posters on this board were kicking around, long before the appeal got underway, is that Thomas should have the right to transfer if he doesn't want to play for a coach who violated NCAA rules. Not once, but twice.

No matter how one might feel about what Kelvin did, that argument makes some sense to me. However, I heard several weeks ago that the OU admins chose not to use that argument in filing the appeal. I'm guessing it was out of respect for our former coach, but don't know that to be true. For that matter, I can't confirm anything I just said.

 

[AdaSooner]

I'll say this. If Stoops thought the people handling his guys appeals weren't doing a good job, you can be damn sure that he'd have them replaced. Joe C is a smart guy as well, and I can't imagine he's letting incompetents screw this up.

Agreed. No way that would be tolerated by anyone in a position to effect change if that was a problem.

 

[sperry]

One of the things a few posters on this board were kicking around, long before the appeal got underway, is that Thomas should have the right to transfer if he doesn't want to play for a coach who violated NCAA rules. Not once, but twice.

No matter how one might feel about what Kelvin did, that argument makes some sense to me. However, I heard several weeks ago that the OU admins chose not to use that argument in filing the appeal. I'm guessing it was out of respect for our former coach, but don't know that to be true. For that matter, I can't confirm anything I just said.

I don't think that argument would carry any weight, and it would obviously be complete nonsense (that Tashawn wanted to leave Houston because Sampson made too many phone calls and lied about it when he was a 12 year old).

 

[WaymanFan]

I could be wrong, but I think it's possible there is may be some bottled up resentment over the lawsuit OU and Georgia filed, and won, against the NCAA in the mid 80s.

That was definitely true back in 1989 when they levied that 2-year bowl ban and stripped us of a boatload of scholarships. I specifically remember a direct quote from Donnie Duncan: "The NCAA wanted us, and they got us." The results of the OU football team during the 1990s was enough payback for the NCAA. If we take our crimson-colored glasses off, we may have to admit the NCAA could have come down a LOT harder on the hoops team a few years ago after our second round of infractions only 4-5 years apart.

I think most agree that DGB not getting approved was the right call by the NCAA and Baker Mayfield was the wrong call. I think the latter would have been easier had TTech cooperated, but they didn't...and it hurt us. As for Tayshawn Thomas, the only reason this could get approved (IMO) is because the NCAA would like to stick it to Kelvin one more time.

 

[WTSooner]

I think most agree that DGB not getting approved was the right call by the NCAA and Baker Mayfield was the wrong call. I think the latter would have been easier had TTech cooperated, but they didn't...and it hurt us. As for Tayshawn Thomas, the only reason this could get approved (IMO) is because the NCAA would like to stick it to Kelvin one more time.

I do think the NCAA followed their rule and past decisions on Mayfield, but I agree the rule may be wrong.

 

[usedtobe1]

I don't think that argument would carry any weight, and it would obviously be complete nonsense (that Tashawn wanted to leave Houston because Sampson made too many phone calls and lied about it when he was a 12 year old).

We should know pretty soon if OU's appeal carried any weight. I would think if it was deemed "complete nonsense", it would have been denied a long time ago.

I don't understand how the former LSU PG, Anthony Hickey, was kicked off the team on May 13th, and is immediately eligible at OSU. It was announced he would likely transfer to OSU on June 12th, and his waiver was approved on June 16th.

Maybe TaShawn should have broken some team rules so Houston would have been forced to kick him off the team.

 

[sperry]

We should know pretty soon if OU's appeal carried any weight. I would think if it was deemed "complete nonsense", it would have been denied a long time ago.

Ada said that they didn't use that argument in the appeal. Don't know what they're arguing, but it's not that TaShawn couldn't bear the thought of playing for a coach who made too many phone calls 8 years ago.

 

[usedtobe1]

Ada said that they didn't use that argument in the appeal. Don't know what they're arguing, but it's not that TaShawn couldn't bear the thought of playing for a coach who made too many phone calls 8 years ago.

Ada said he "heard" OU didn't use that argument but didn't know if it was true or not. None of us know what was in the appeal, but you can't dismiss it as a possibility.

We do know Kelvin broke the rules. Twice. Once at OU and again at Indiana 2 years later. It showed a pattern of disregard for rules. That bothers some people. So does falsifying the records. Evidently not you. You're very forgiving.

You can't trivialize it. It's not like he got caught driving 2 miles over the speed limit. Indiana was charged with 4 major violations, including charging Sampson with providing false information to the compliance committee. It cost him his job, cost his assistants their jobs, Indiana was put on probation for 3 years, and Kelvin was banned from coaching for 5 years.

I think Kelvin is a very good coach, but can't blame someone for not wanting to play for him. I just don't think a player should be penalized by sitting out a year for making that choice.

One of the things a few posters on this board were kicking around, long before the appeal got underway, is that Thomas should have the right to transfer if he doesn't want to play for a coach who violated NCAA rules. Not once, but twice.

No matter how one might feel about what Kelvin did, that argument makes some sense to me. However, I heard several weeks ago that the OU admins chose not to use that argument in filing the appeal. I'm guessing it was out of respect for our former coach, but don't know that to be true. For that matter, I can't confirm anything I just said.

 

[Sooner-Bred]

Ada said that they didn't use that argument in the appeal. Don't know what they're arguing, but it's not that TaShawn couldn't bear the thought of playing for a coach who made too many phone calls 8 years ago.

Okay, it was A LOT worse than "making too many phone calls".

The man was BANNED from the NCAA for 5 years!

Lets stop acting like it was no big deal.

If that was the argument OU chose to make, it would CERTAINLY carry some weight.

Not wanting to play for a hot-head coach who is fresh off a 5-year NCAA ban is certainly not "complete nonsense". Lets establish that now.

 

[skyvue]

The biggest disservice Sampson did many of us OU basketball fans is giving those fans who hated him all along an excuse on which to hang the disdain they already held for him. Even all these years later, you can tell which fans hated him long before the extra phone calls. They just can't hide it, much as they try.