Tulsa beats #5 Houston

[stormspencer]

65-64....good win for the Golden Hurricane.

 

[thebigabd]

Great win for TU... I watched it.

Frank Haith has really developed as a coach in his 7 years in Tulsa.... They have an identity, and are one of the toughest teams in the country every year. They play great defense, just beat you up, grind you down, etc. His TU teams actually remind me of the old Sampson teams at Oklahoma. I've been going to TU games in person for a few years now.

During the broadcast last night, the announcer said he got a text during the game from former Cincy coach Mick Cronin who said "he does not miss playing Tulsa"...

2019 American Athletic Conference Coach of the Year
2019 NABC Coach of the Year
2012 Associated Press National Coach of the Year
2005 National Coach of the Year
Big 12 Coach of the Year
Henry Iba Coach of the Year

Has done better than pre-season projections 6 years in a row....

I find it pretty hilarious that the best coach in the state is coaching at Tulsa, and not at OU or OSU. There is absolutely no argument to be made that Frank Haith isn't a better coach than Mike Boynton. The guy has been National Coach of the Year 2 or 3 times, and a finalist a few other times.

Tulsa ranks 20th nationally in defense... OU ranks 185th
Tulsa ranks 14th nationally in FG defense... OU ranks 133rd

They are just in your face the entire game. They rarely give you anything easy. They rebound, fly around, switch defenses a lot, confuse you, etc.

Him dropping down to Tulsa from Miami and Missouri was the best thing for him... Those programs are death traps for coaches. I really don't know why, but they just can't ever stay good. He had crazy success at Missouri, record breaking, but you just can't win there consistently for some reason.

Hopefully he stays at TU a long time... but I would be very interested in hiring him at OU when Lon Kruger is gone.

My favorites to replace Kruger would be Eric Konkol at LA Tech (who is 8-2 this year after going 22-8 the previous year)... and Frank Haith at Tulsa.

 

[TINY]

Happy for Tulsa and Haith but Ou won’t be hiring guys who weren’t consistently successful at p5 level. Doesn’t mean we will for sure hire someone with p5 head coaching experience but can guarantee we won’t go after haith type coaches.

 

[skyvue]

Tulsa is ranked 186th in scoring.

 

[thebigabd]

Tulsa is ranked 186th in scoring.

Yea, they grind you down. Their identity is really tough, in your face defense.

Happy for Tulsa and Haith but Ou won’t be hiring guys who weren’t consistently successful at p5 level.

And by a "Haith" type coach you mean ones who have been conference and national coach of the year many times? Who have been recruiting this area as an assistant at Texas, a head coach at Missouri, and a head coach at Tulsa for decades?

Has Lon Kruger ever been national coach of the year?

 

[CoachTalk]

Great win for TU... I watched it.

Frank Haith has really developed as a coach in his 7 years in Tulsa.... They have an identity, and are one of the toughest teams in the country every year. They play great defense, just beat you up, grind you down, etc. His TU teams actually remind me of the old Sampson teams at Oklahoma. I've been going to TU games in person for a few years now.

During the broadcast last night, the announcer said he got a text during the game from former Cincy coach Mick Cronin who said "he does not miss playing Tulsa"...

2019 American Athletic Conference Coach of the Year
2019 NABC Coach of the Year
2012 Associated Press National Coach of the Year
2005 National Coach of the Year
Big 12 Coach of the Year
Henry Iba Coach of the Year

Has done better than pre-season projections 6 years in a row....

I find it pretty hilarious that the best coach in the state is coaching at Tulsa, and not at OU or OSU. There is absolutely no argument to be made that Frank Haith isn't a better coach than Mike Boynton. The guy has been National Coach of the Year 2 or 3 times, and a finalist a few other times.

Tulsa ranks 20th nationally in defense... OU ranks 185th
Tulsa ranks 14th nationally in FG defense... OU ranks 133rd

They are just in your face the entire game. They rarely give you anything easy. They rebound, fly around, switch defenses a lot, confuse you, etc.

Him dropping down to Tulsa from Miami and Missouri was the best thing for him... Those programs are death traps for coaches. I really don't know why, but they just can't ever stay good. He had crazy success at Missouri, record breaking, but you just can't win there consistently for some reason.

Hopefully he stays at TU a long time... but I would be very interested in hiring him at OU when Lon Kruger is gone.

My favorites to replace Kruger would be Eric Konkol at LA Tech (who is 8-2 this year after going 22-8 the previous year)... and Frank Haith at Tulsa.

This is comical.

Heath better than Kruger?

You are out of touch. Haith was gonna be fired 2 years ago. Took a pay cut and signed extension to lessen the buy out.

There was talk of hiring Bryce Thompson’s dad if I remember correctly.


Haith has been to 1 final 4.... and only past first round of the NCAA 1 time of other than the final 4 run.

This is an absolute TROLL POST. Even for you.

 

[WichitaSooner]

Happy for Tulsa and Haith but Ou won’t be hiring guys who weren’t consistently successful at p5 level. Doesn’t mean we will for sure hire someone with p5 head coaching experience but can guarantee we won’t go after haith type coaches.

He does have a wealth of experience coaching in the NIT, so that’s a big feather in his cap. I should give him credit, though ... after all, he has one more NCAA tourney win on his resume than I do. That wonderful track record is more than enough to justify his rules violations lol.

 

[thebigabd]

This is comical.

Heath better than Kruger?

You are out of touch. Haith was gonna be fired 2 years ago. Took a pay cut and signed extension to lessen the buy out.

There was talk of hiring Bryce Thompson’s dad if I remember correctly.


Haith has been to 1 final 4.... and only past first round of the NCAA 1 time of other than the final 4 run.

This is an absolute TROLL POST. Even for you.

No, you are out of touch.... Lon is under .500 against league opponents at OU. In 9 years we have had seasons where he finished 9th, 8th, 8th, and 7th in a 10 team league. We will see what happens this year.

Lon is doing an average-at-best job at a premier program... There is no way around it. Haith has been National Coach of the Year multiple times at total crap programs. He had a 30 win team at Mizzou, that got upset in the NCAA Tournament.

Since Haith left Missouri, that program has completely tanked. They are 77-112 and an SEC bottom feeder since Haith left. Haith went 76-28 at Missouri the three years prior.

OU's previous coach has elevated Houston to a new level. Making it in the top 5 until last night. Some are predicting Sampson and the Cougars to be in the Final Four, while OU is going to be trying to nab a 12 seed again.

Sampson is on a run down there... 22-10... 21-11... 27-8... 33-4... and now has a top 10 team. AT HOUSTON. That program has completely sucked for a long time, and a former OU coach has turned it into something much better.

Put Haith, Sampson, Konkol, etc on the OU sideline and the program gets better. I have no doubt. Zero doubt.

OU is stagnant... being in the Big 12 and being a really successful program is keeping us treading water. But that's all we keep doing, is treading water.

 

[daqman]

No, you are out of touch.... Lon is under .500 against league opponents at OU. In 9 years we have had seasons where he finished 9th, 8th, 8th, and 7th in a 10 team league. We will see what happens this year.

Lon is doing an average-at-best job at a premier program... There is no way around it. Haith has been National Coach of the Year multiple times at total crap programs. He had a 30 win team at Mizzou, that got upset in the NCAA Tournament.

Since Haith left Missouri, that program has completely tanked. They are 77-112 and an SEC bottom feeder since Haith left. Haith went 76-28 at Missouri the three years prior.

OU's previous coach has elevated Houston to a new level. Making it in the top 5 until last night. Some are predicting Sampson and the Cougars to be in the Final Four, while OU is going to be trying to nab a 12 seed again.

Sampson is on a run down there... 22-10... 21-11... 27-8... 33-4... and now has a top 10 team. AT HOUSTON. That program has completely sucked for a long time, and a former OU coach has turned it into something much better.

Put Haith, Sampson, Konkol, etc on the OU sideline and the program gets better. I have no doubt. Zero doubt.

OU is stagnant... being in the Big 12 and being a really successful program is keeping us treading water. But that's all we keep doing, is treading water.

We are not treading water, we are sinking. KU/BU/WVU/TTU and probably ISU are all solidly ahead of us now. Only question is which team passes us next.

 

[TINY]

Yea, they grind you down. Their identity is really tough, in your face defense.



And by a "Haith" type coach you mean ones who have been conference and national coach of the year many times? Who have been recruiting this area as an assistant at Texas, a head coach at Missouri, and a head coach at Tulsa for decades?

Has Lon Kruger ever been national coach of the year?

By haith type coaches I’m referring to ones who have been canned from all of their p5 jobs.

 

[TINY]

We are not treading water, we are sinking. KU/BU/WVU/TTU and probably ISU are all solidly ahead of us now. Only question is which team passes us next.

Isu? Gtfo. We swept wvu last year and finished higher than all those teams except ku and Baylor. Baylor and tech are the only non ku programs that are better than ou rn.

 

[CoachTalk]

No, you are out of touch.... Lon is under .500 against league opponents at OU. In 9 years we have had seasons where he finished 9th, 8th, 8th, and 7th in a 10 team league. We will see what happens this year.

Lon is doing an average-at-best job at a premier program... There is no way around it. Haith has been National Coach of the Year multiple times at total crap programs. He had a 30 win team at Mizzou, that got upset in the NCAA Tournament.

Since Haith left Missouri, that program has completely tanked. They are 77-112 and an SEC bottom feeder since Haith left. Haith went 76-28 at Missouri the three years prior.

OU's previous coach has elevated Houston to a new level. Making it in the top 5 until last night. Some are predicting Sampson and the Cougars to be in the Final Four, while OU is going to be trying to nab a 12 seed again.

Sampson is on a run down there... 22-10... 21-11... 27-8... 33-4... and now has a top 10 team. AT HOUSTON. That program has completely sucked for a long time, and a former OU coach has turned it into something much better.

Put Haith, Sampson, Konkol, etc on the OU sideline and the program gets better. I have no doubt. Zero doubt.

OU is stagnant... being in the Big 12 and being a really successful program is keeping us treading water. But that's all we keep doing, is treading water.

HAITH HAS BEEN PAST THE 2nd ROUND 1 TIME!!!!!!!

ONCE!

We talking kelvin or Haith????? Which one, dont move the goal post. there isnt one reputable coach or media person that will say Haith is a better coach than Lon Kruger.

 

[CoachTalk]

We are not treading water, we are sinking. KU/BU/WVU/TTU and probably ISU are all solidly ahead of us now. Only question is which team passes us next.

facts say otherwise but we expect nothing less from you.

 

[WichitaSooner]

HAITH HAS BEEN PAST THE 2nd ROUND 1 TIME!!!!!!!

ONCE!

We talking kelvin or Haith????? Which one, dont move the goal post. there isnt one reputable coach or media person that will say Haith is a better coach than Lon Kruger.

He’s never been past the second round. He has won exactly one NCAA game in his career.

 

[thebigabd]

Haith has been to 1 final 4

Kelvin Sampson has been to 1 final four. You gonna try to argue that Kruger is a better coach than Kelvin?

We talking kelvin or Haith????? Which one, dont move the goal post. there isnt one reputable coach or media person that will say Haith is a better coach than Lon Kruger.

We are talking both.... I am using Kelvin and what he did at OU and what he is doing at Houston to demonstrate that Kruger is doing an average-at-best job at OU. At best.

On Haith... I am saying he would do better at OU than Lon Kruger does. There are plenty of coaches who you could plug into a program like OU, who would have much more success than Lon Kruger is having....

Frank Haith has won National Coach of the Year honors for accomplishments at very crap basketball programs. The dude started his career at Mizzou 53-16.

At Miami, the program had only won 20 games 3 times in program history before Haith. He won 20 games there 3 times in his tenure. That program is a total dump... Jim Larranga has worked a minor miracle with it since.

With Konkol or Haith, OU would be competing for Big 12 championships again. We would be tough. We would be hard to play against. We would have identity. We would recruit the area better than Kruger does.

If Kruger finishes at the bottom of the league again with a very experienced team, he has to go. KSU is way down, ISU is way down, OSU is OSU... But Baylor, Texas, WVU, Kansas, and Tech are going to be tough for OU. It's a talent problem..

That WVU game on Saturday is gigantic. They've done well against WVU so I wouldn't be surprised to see OU win... but you can't go 0-4 against Tech, Baylor, Kansas, and WVU. This stretch is brutal.

 

[skyvue]

A few observations and corrections...

--Haith has won national coach of the year following just one season--2012. That year, he won the awards given by the AP and USBWA (known as the Henry Iba award). He then proceeded to lose in the opening round of the NCAA tourney.

--Haith has never won NABC National Coach of the Year. Purdue's Matt Painter was NABC National Coach of the Year in 2019.

--In 2005, Haith won neither the AP, the Naismith, the USBWA or the NABC National Coach of the Year honors. If there's another national COY award he won that season, you might want to let TU know -- they don't mention it on their website.

--You cite Haith's two conference Coach of the Year awards, but don't mention that Kruger has won four conference Coach of the Year awards: 2 in the SEC, one in the Mountain West and one in the Big 12.

This information is readily available online. Could you not be bothered to check your facts before posting? You insult our intelligence when you post blatantly false or misleading info.

--Kruger's record in the NCAA while at OU is 6-4 with a Final Four and a Sweet Sixteen. Haith's record in the NCAA while at TU is 0-1 (he's 1-1 in the NIT).

Overall, Haith has notched 15 non-Covid seasons as a collegiate head coach. He's been to the NCAA tourney four times, compiling a record of 1-4, and he's been to the NIT six times.

Kruger has notched 33 non-Covid seasons as a collegiate head coach. He's been to the NCAA tourney 19 times with a 21-19 record, with two Sweet Sixteens, one Elite Eight and two Final Fours. He's also been to the NIT four times.

--You cite OU ranking 185th in defense as a reason to fire Kruger, but you downplay (to put it mildly) TU's ranking of 186 in offense. Why does the one matter so much and the other not at all? Because it doesn't fit your agenda, is why, and you hope no one will call you on it.

Looks like someone didn't get enough attention over the holidays, so he took down his troll cap from the top shelf in the closet.

 

[skyvue]

There's also this:

Major violations found at Missouri; penalties imposed by school
https://www.espn.com/mens-college-b...-2013-14-investigation-shows-major-violations

Frank Haith must be held responsible for violations under his watch
https://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/ncaa...for-violations-under-his-watch-233446680.html

Hoop Thoughts: What’s next for Frank Haith, Missouri after NCAA violations?
https://www.si.com/college/2016/01/18/hoop-thoughts-frank-haith-missouri-tulsa-ncaa-violations

NCAA report: Missouri coach Frank Haith tried to cover up violations at Miami
https://www.al.com/sports/2013/10/ncaa_report_missouri_coach_fra.html

 

[thebigabd]

My mistake on 2005... He was a finalist for National of Coach of the Year in 2005. I thought he won it in 2005 and 2012.

--You cite OU ranking 185th in defense as a reason to fire Kruger, but you downplay (to put it mildly) TU's ranking of 186 in offense. Why does the one matter so much and the other not at all? Because it doesn't fit your agenda, is why, and you hope no one will call you on it.

I never cited OU's ranking in defense as a reason to fire Kruger..... I was making a point about how Frank has developed in his time at Tulsa and is now known as one of the toughest defensive coaches in the country. My reason to fire Kruger are that he works at a premier basketball program and is treading water.

I never said or implied that Kruger should be fired because OU ranks low on defense.

That being said, it is a problem. I think in the Trae Young season OU was statistically one of the worst defensive teams in the country.

Looks like someone didn't get enough attention over the holidays, so he took down his troll cap from the top shelf in the closet.

Yea, sure buddy...

You cite Haith's two conference Coach of the Year awards, but don't mention that Kruger has won four conference Coach of the Year awards: 2 in the SEC, one in the Mountain West and one in the Big 12.

He's been coaching a bit longer...Doesn't mean he's the best guy for this job.

Kruger is failing at OU right now... We will see how this season plays out. But he is not meeting expectations. That much is clear.

 

[skyvue]

Not surprisingly, you ignored most of my post. I'll put it plainly: Your posts in this thread are filled with false, misleading and omitted (because it doesn't fit your agenda) information. Differing opinions are one thing; false information is quite another.

The guy got in trouble for violations at two major schools and you don't see fit to mention it. Ridiculous.

 

[TINY]

A few observations and corrections...

--Haith has won national coach of the year following just one season--2012. That year, he won the awards given by the AP and USBWA (known as the Henry Iba award). He then proceeded to lose in the opening round of the NCAA tourney.

--Haith has never won NABC National Coach of the Year. Purdue's Matt Painter was NABC National Coach of the Year in 2019.

--In 2005, Haith won neither the AP, the Naismith, the USBWA or the NABC National Coach of the Year honors. If there's another national COY award he won that season, you might want to let TU know -- they don't mention it on their website.

--You cite Haith's two conference Coach of the Year awards, but don't mention that Kruger has won four conference Coach of the Year awards: 2 in the SEC, one in the Mountain West and one in the Big 12.

This information is readily available online. Could you not be bothered to check your facts before posting? You insult our intelligence when you post blatantly false or misleading info.

--Kruger's record in the NCAA while at OU is 6-4 with a Final Four and a Sweet Sixteen. Haith's record in the NCAA while at TU is 0-1 (he's 1-1 in the NIT).

Overall, Haith has notched 15 non-Covid seasons as a collegiate head coach. He's been to the NCAA tourney four times, compiling a record of 1-4, and he's been to the NIT six times.

Kruger has notched 33 non-Covid seasons as a collegiate head coach. He's been to the NCAA tourney 19 times with a 21-19 record, with two Sweet Sixteens, one Elite Eight and two Final Fours. He's also been to the NIT four times.

--You cite OU ranking 185th in defense as a reason to fire Kruger, but you downplay (to put it mildly) TU's ranking of 186 in offense. Why does the one matter so much and the other not at all? Because it doesn't fit your agenda, is why, and you hope no one will call you on it.

Looks like someone didn't get enough attention over the holidays, so he took down his troll cap from the top shelf in the closet.

Abd getting bodied again! Throw the damn towel, Skyvue!!!