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[oSuJeff97]

The day the University of Oklahoma can't (or won't) meet or surpass what a Butler University is paying a basketball coach, including buyout, salary and incentives is the day we should just close down the d*** program and spend the money somewhere else.

Well you're assuming he's only about the money.

The main reason (outside of money) that most mid-major coaches move from mid-majors to one of the Big 6/BCS/whatever conferences is to have a better chance to make the tournament/advance to the Final Four/win the thing in any given year.

Brad Stevens has just done something that the vast majority of "major" conference teams haven't done - made the Final Four back-to-back.

He's basically made Butler into (or even surpassed) what Mark Few has done at Gonzaga. He's going to dominate his league every year... all he has to do is follow the Gonzaga model of scheduling up in the non-conference and he'll be virtually assured of a top 6 seed in the tournament every year... and in years when they're really good they'll easily secure a top 4 seed.

Why would you trade that for the much more difficult task of making the tournament on a consistent basis in the Big 12/10/whatever?

 

[Max Power]

That's very shortsighted thinking. (on the part of the university).

not really, what would the return on investment be on that 10 million?

 

[steverocks35]

Well you're assuming he's only about the money.

The main reason (outside of money) that most mid-major coaches move from mid-majors to one of the Big 6/BCS/whatever conferences is to have a better chance to make the tournament/advance to the Final Four/win the thing in any given year.

Brad Stevens has just done something that the vast majority of "major" conference teams haven't done - made the Final Four back-to-back.

He's basically made Butler into (or even surpassed) what Mark Few has done at Gonzaga. He's going to dominate his league every year... all he has to do is follow the Gonzaga model of scheduling up in the non-conference and he'll be virtually assured of a top 6 seed in the tournament every year... and in years when they're really good they'll easily secure a top 4 seed.

Why would you trade that for the much more difficult task of making the tournament on a consistent basis in the Big 12/10/whatever?

Maybe he looks at his roster next year and decides he caught lightning in a bottle the last two years and decides to cash in.

 

[boksooner]

That's very shortsighted thinking. (on the part of the university).

No. It is short sighted to way overpay for a coach, just so you can make a "splash" hire. You are better off hiring a good coach for 1.5m than a slightly better coach with a big name for $2.5m and a huge buyout.

 

[steverocks35]

not really, what would the return on investment be on that 10 million?

I guess it depends on how much a winning basketball program is worth to the school. Is 10 million dollars really a huge amount of money for the University of Oklahoma? Maybe it is.

 

[perryj74]

No. School. In. The. Country. Is. Going. To. Pay. $10m. For. One. Year. Of. Coaching.

I think Georgia Tech may be paying close to that this year.

 

[Max Power]

I guess it depends on how much a winning basketball program is worth to the school. Is 10 million dollars really a huge amount of money for the University of Oklahoma? Maybe it is.

With Blake and going to the Elite 8 we still lost money as a program. At some point business sense has to take over

 

[Oliver Hardy]

You guys talking about paying $10 mil in a year neglect to consider the possibility that OU could structure the Stevens buyout and severence with Capel over a few years, which is what they would do anyway isn't it?

No one pays a lump sum. At least I don't think they do.

 

[steverocks35]

With Blake and going to the Elite 8 we still lost money as a program. At some point business sense has to take over

So if we're going to lose money no matter who we hire shouldn't we just bite the bullet and get the best guy?

 

[boksooner]

I guess it depends on how much a winning basketball program is worth to the school. Is 10 million dollars really a huge amount of money for the University of Oklahoma? Maybe it is.

OU's athletic department donates about $7m a year to the University. Do you really think it is a better idea to send that money to another school as part of a buyout?

 

[boksooner]

I think Georgia Tech may be paying close to that this year.

That is true, but that is because they signed the worst contract in NCAA history. A rolling buyout? I mean really?

 

[steverocks35]

OU's athletic department donates about $7m a year to the University. Do you really think it is a better idea to send that money to another school as part of a buyout?

OU's endowment is over 1.15 billion dollars, I don't think they would miss that 7 mil.

 

[Oliver Hardy]

BOK the problem is all those "good" coaches you are talking about are saying NO to us in a big way or are just using us to get better contracts where they are.

 

[boksooner]

So if we're going to lose money no matter who we hire shouldn't we just bite the bullet and get the best guy?

Losing $1m is a hell of a lot better than losing $9m. These are things that should not have to be explained.

 

[boksooner]

BOK the problem is all those "good" coaches you are talking about are saying NO to us in a big way or are just using us to get better contracts where they are.

So OU should overreacted and way overpay for a name?

 

[boksooner]

OU's endowment is over 1.15 billion dollars, I don't think they would miss that 7 mil.

Do you know how an endowment works? Do you not how profit and loss work? Do you know what business is?

 

[Oliver Hardy]

I understand your point completely BOK -- but I'm not sure that $8 million would be overpaying for Stevens at this point.

Also, whomever said the Stevens buyout is $6 million --- how do you know that? Is there a link?

A buyout is not equal to his contractual salary/incentive payments over the term of an existing contract.

 

[Max Power]

I understand your point completely BOK -- but I'm not sure that $8 million would be overpaying for Stevens at this point.

Also, whomever said the Stevens buyout is $6 million --- how do you know that? Is there a link?

A buyout is not equal to his contractual salary/incentive payments over the term of an existing contract.

http://isportsweb.com/2011/03/26/fi...-five-potential-candidates-for-ou-job-search/

 

[boksooner]

Obviously, Joe C. should ask. And if the $6m buyout is just a smoke screen, then OU should put on the full court press. In the end, I don't think it will matter, but it doesn't mean OU shouldn't try.

 

[chewy75]

chewy -- where was Kruger on the pecking order? Was he before or after Rose? I know Rose said "no thanks" yesterday and Kruger said it today, but curious if Kruger thought about it a little?

I would say third below stevens and williams. But I don't thin Krueger is leaving UNLV. I will say this no one has even been interviwed at this point.