Brady Manek admits OU lost the "want" to win

Its alright. I guess you're ignorant and didn't hear all of the talking about first time leading the ENTIRE nation in SCORING and ASSISTS...

Stats aren't everything. Legends make everyone around them better. That is what seems to be missing. He's obviously the best freshman in the country but I personally wouldn't vote for him as player of the year of this.
 
Stats aren't everything. Legends make everyone around them better. That is what seems to be missing. He's obviously the best freshman in the country but I personally wouldn't vote for him as player of the year of this.

Trae has made everyone around him better. Can you imagine how bad these guys would look if Trae wasn't teeing up dozens of wide open looks every game and drawing constant double teams? The problem is, if you take a guy who isn't good and make him a little better he's still probably no great shakes.
 
Stats aren't everything. Legends make everyone around them better. That is what seems to be missing. He's obviously the best freshman in the country but I personally wouldn't vote for him as player of the year of this.
OK. I knew that the day would come when we disagreed on something. It took a while.

I don't regard Marcus Dupree or Joe Don Looney as anything more than temporary distractions. I don't disagree with The King on much, but I rather resent his calling Dupree the best running back he ever coached, which I don't believe either. These guys were really talented. But, they didn't make a good team better. We have been a championship caliber football power for sixty years, and I don't see them as having contributed to one of those titles or ever any significant improvement on their teams. They are more like curiosities, stars who could have been.

I see Trae as a legend because he really could do all of the things you would want in a point guard on a successful team, and he did them very, very well. So, he couldn't bring together this group as a team. Was that his responsibility? If they had caught the passes that he threw and dunked them, we might have won more games. If they had hit their shots---and free throws---we might have won more games. If they had rebounded the ball and thrown it to him at almost midcourt like a good-fast breaking team does, we might have won more games. But, if they didn't do any of that, it doesn't distract from the fact that he put on a show, the likes of which we may never see in Norman again. He did his part, at least for a while.

Legends don't necessarily succeed. They just rise above. Paul Revere was a Legend, and we're not even sure he made any of his famous ride. If he did, it wasn't more than a couple of miles of a forty mile ride that involved at least two or three other riders. But, he's the only one we've heard of, and it was a legendary exploit.

Leading in both points and assists? That's pretty good. But, I'll just be impressed by what I saw. I hadn't seen it before.
 
His assist numbers should have been much higher. There is no doubt about that. His teammates missed a lot of shots they should have made. He also made great passes that put college players in spots where they couldn’t score but pros will.

When he learns when to take those long shots and when not to, he is going to be truly great. He will learn.
 
Good player but not an OU legend. He shouldn't be listed with the other OU legends

His scoring was a result of his high usage rate. He was not an efficient player or a great shooter. His defense was terrible. His effort was terrible. He didn't finish particularly well. About the other thing legendary about him was his vision and passing.
 
I'd been holding out faint hope that Trae would see this season as unfinished business and return for another year, but at this point, I'm almost hoping he'll jump to the NBA just so Bounce13 will shut the hell up about him.
 
Good player but not an OU legend. He shouldn't be listed with the other OU legends

His scoring was a result of his high usage rate. He was not an efficient player or a great shooter. His defense was terrible. His effort was terrible. He didn't finish particularly well. About the other thing legendary about him was his vision and passing.

I think you just admitted that he IS a legend... even by your standards :ez-roll:
 
I'd been holding out faint hope that Trae would see this season as unfinished business and return for another year, but at this point, I'm almost hoping he'll jump to the NBA just so Bounce13 will shut the hell up about him.

You have a point. Oh the sacrifices we make.
 
A freshman can be your best player. He or she can't be a team leader. You have to have experienced players that lead. Nobody is going to listen to a freshman.

Trae is the best point guard I have ever seen at OU, and it isn't close. He is as good or about as good as any point guard I have ever seen at the college level.
 
Trae was (is) at his best when other guys are making plays. When the other guys stopped, he took on more and then when he didn't produce he was made a villain by some.

The reality is he (and Manek) made this team 8 wins better from last year. That's really pretty good.

The problem is it really was a tale of two seasons. Great and then awful.
 
Nobody has averaged more points per game for a season at OU than Trae. Nobody has averaged more assists per game than OU for a season than Trae. He did both in the same year as a freshman .
 
Nobody has averaged more points per game for a season at OU than Trae. Nobody has averaged more assists per game than OU for a season than Trae. He did both in the same year as a freshman .

Has anybody averaged as many shots as Trae?
 
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