Consensus Bubble Watch

[Ham]

I used ESPN, CBS and USA Today's bracketology and came up with a consensus Bubble Watch.

Last 7 Bubble Teams Considered "In" by all 3:
St. Josephs
Arkansas
Tennessee
Dayton
Xavier
Nebraska
Pittsburgh

**The Bubble**

Considered "In" by 2 of the 3
BYU
Louisiana Tech

Considered "Out" By 2 of the 3
Southern Miss (USA has them in)
Providence (CBS has them in)

"Out" by all 3 but close
Minnesota (1st team out on USA, 2nd on the other 2)
California (1st team out on ESPN, 2nd on USA, 3rd on CBS)

Need a lot of help
St. Johns (3rd out ESPN, 4th out USA)
Missouri (1st out CBS)
Georgetown (4th out CBS)
Florida State (3rd out USA)

Anyone else probably needs to win their tourney.

 

[DenverSooner]

What is WVU? They finished ahead of OSU and Baylor in the Big XII.

 

[Capel's Mustache]

What is WVU? They finished ahead of OSU and Baylor in the Big XII.

Their RPI dooms them. Nobody even has them on the bubble.

 

[WaymanFan]

What is WVU? They finished ahead of OSU and Baylor in the Big XII.

Have you seen WVU's overall record? If they lose to Texas, they're on the NIT bubble. If the Committee was dumb enough to take them over OSU and Baylor just because of their conference record (there would be no other reason), then there would no point whatsoever to play any games in November and December.

 

[BoomSoon]

www.Bracketmatrix.com

Check it out. Feels like cheating, but saves me hours every March.

 

[opsooner]

Have you seen WVU's overall record? If they lose to Texas, they're on the NIT bubble. If the Committee was dumb enough to take them over OSU and Baylor just because of their conference record (there would be no other reason), then there would no point whatsoever to play any games in November and December.

I agree on WVU - they probably need to win the whole thing (that would guarantee it). If they make the finals that might get them on the bubble.

I feel the opposite is true as well. If OSU loses in the first round I would ask whether only Nov and Dec matter. That would make them 8-11 in conf games. However, most people have them in no matter what. The reason given is that they lost some key players during the year - which is a ridiculous argument to me.

 

[SoonerBounce13]

The reason given is that they lost some key players during the year - which is a ridiculous argument to me.

I doubt nobody is giving them any leniancy b/c of cobbins or clark. It's all for the three games they lost when smart was out. Which to me is fair. And it's conceivable that they might have won two of those games that he was out for.

 

[BCSooners]

I doubt nobody is giving them any leniancy b/c of cobbins or clark. It's all for the three games they lost when smart was out. Which to me is fair. And it's conceivable that they might have won two of those games that he was out for.

I would definitely agree if Smart was out with injury, but since it was him getting suspended I don't think they should be leniant with them. I'm sure the committee will give them a pass like you said though.

 

[opsooner]

I doubt nobody is giving them any leniancy b/c of cobbins or clark. It's all for the three games they lost when smart was out. Which to me is fair. And it's conceivable that they might have won two of those games that he was out for.

So, I take it you are saying you were against the suspension?

 

[campbest]

I feel the opposite is true as well. If OSU loses in the first round I would ask whether only Nov and Dec matter. That would make them 8-11 in conf games. However, most people have them in no matter what. The reason given is that they lost some key players during the year - which is a ridiculous argument to me.

If none of the injuries or suspensions had occurred, their resume is still good enough (and it's not really close). None of those variables are playing into whether they get in or not.

 

[opsooner]

If none of the injuries or suspensions had occurred, their resume is still good enough (and it's not really close). None of those variables are playing into whether they get in or not.

It is probably good enough but it should be very close. I fail to see how 8-11 in conference games could not make it close. This is the time when you are playing the same competition, unlike non-conference.

If you start weighing injuries and suspension then why have suspensions at all? After injuries just declare every game an exhibition.

 

[WTSooner]

It is probably good enough but it should be very close. I fail to see how 8-11 in conference games could not make it close. This is the time when you are playing the same competition, unlike non-conference.

If you start weighing injuries and suspension then why have suspensions at all? After injuries just declare every game an exhibition.

You might want to check their OOC schedule. They played some pretty good teams, and by my count, likely 4-5, maybe more, games against teams that will be Dancing. That's not a bad OOC schedule.

 

[SoonerBounce13]

So, I take it you are saying you were against the suspension?

what? I don't know how you got that out of my post.

What is the purpose of the tournament? To get the best 64 teams. You are kidding yourself if you don't think osu is one of the top 40 teams in the country.
I don't condone what smart did but to gauge what kind of team osu is and how good they are you need to look at the whole picture and where they are right now AND how they performed the whole season. Smart is playing now and with him they deserve to be in.

Of course there are limits to when you can apply this thinking. If he would have been suspended for a month or more then I don't think you give as much leniency

 

[SoonerBounce13]

If none of the injuries or suspensions had occurred, their resume is still good enough (and it's not really close). None of those variables are playing into whether they get in or not.

Maybe. But I would have a very hard thime with a team that is 20-12 and 8-11 in conference getting in.

 

[opsooner]

You might want to check their OOC schedule. They played some pretty good teams, and by my count, likely 4-5, maybe more, games against teams that will be Dancing. That's not a bad OOC schedule.

Agree. That is why I think they are probably in. I still think it should be closer than it will be - based on the spirit of competition within the conference. Just my opinion and I know I am in the minority on it but I would feel the same if it were OU. I could not feel good about OU getting a bid with a 8-11 conference record.

For the record I feel that OSU will not go 8-11 and will win their first game and maybe more. I was just saying that IF they went 8-11 it SHOULD BE close IN MY OPINION.

 

[opsooner]

what? I don't know how you got that out of my post.

What is the purpose of the tournament? To get the best 64 teams. You are kidding yourself if you don't think osu is one of the top 40 teams in the country.
I don't condone what smart did but to gauge what kind of team osu is and how good they are you need to look at the whole picture and where they are right now AND how they performed the whole season. Smart is playing now and with him they deserve to be in.

Of course there are limits to when you can apply this thinking. If he would have been suspended for a month or more then I don't think you give as much leniency

I disagree that the best 64 teams get the bids. Results should matter for the at-large bids, regardless of situations. I do agree that OSU with their full team is certainly in the top 64.

 

[Section31]

You might want to check their OOC schedule. They played some pretty good teams, and by my count, likely 4-5, maybe more, games against teams that will be Dancing. That's not a bad OOC schedule.

That was with Cobbins mostly, right? I think they deserve to get one of the last at-large berths, but let's not act like they are the same team post-Cobbins injury. The last 10 games is supposedly pretty big with the committee and there's a reason for that. Teams are different at the end of the season than at the beginning. That's why WVU should get an equal amount of looks NOW that OSU is getting. I understand someone having a different take on that, but I don't think it's all that crazy either.

 

[steverocks35]

If none of the injuries or suspensions had occurred, their resume is still good enough (and it's not really close). None of those variables are playing into whether they get in or not.

Of the 7 games in OSU's losing streak the first 4 of those came with Smart in the lineup. How can we know that they wouldn't have lost the next 3 anyway?

 

[SoonerBounce13]

That was with Cobbins mostly, right? I think they deserve to get one of the last at-large berths, but let's not act like they are the same team post-Cobbins injury. The last 10 games is supposedly pretty big with the committee and there's a reason for that. Teams are different at the end of the season than at the beginning. That's why WVU should get an equal amount of looks NOW that OSU is getting. I understand someone having a different take on that, but I don't think it's all that crazy either.

yes, cobbins played in every non conf game and zero conference games

 

[Section31]

Since Cobbins' injury happened during their last non-conf game, and if you include that game, they are 9-10 during that time. They are a decent team, but are NOWHERE near the team they were prior to his loss. Without Smart's pre-season hype, NO ONE would even be considering them a tourney team I'd guess.