March Madness and Covid-19

[MsProudSooner]

I'm a big fan of "The buck stops here."

 

[coolm]

What is the basis for the 10-day period?

I understand the incubation period of 14 (15) days as a wait. I also understand the surface contamination period wait ... even though that is still being investigated (Diamond cruise ship tests show the virus living outside the body on surfaces for 12 days).

But I dont fully understand the 10 day "antibodies" period. I thought it was in error while listening to Cuomo and others explain the NY procedures but then they noted that 7 days after symptoms begin + 72 hours as a period of contagion ... what is the basis for that one? Is that how long it takes to run its' course thru the body?

 

[WTSooner]

Seems like we have come full circle as we had this conversation a week or so ago on this thread.

Words matter. You can't have it both ways. If you feel words lead and inspire, like Neil Armstrong, Winston Churchill, George Bush on the rubble of 9/11 or Ronald Reagan telling Gorbachev to tear down this wall, then you have to accept hateful, demeaning or selfish egotist words matter too.

I get that. All I can say is two things:

1. I, personally, don't get all that inspired by words. Like, those motivational posters, and all the old time quotes and speeches.....for me, don't do much.

2. I think there is a difference between what the President says at a now daily press conference, vs what he might say when addressing the country after a 9/11 or something. Maybe I'm saying that out of convenience for my position, but to me those are different scenarios, and they would have different levels of impact on me.

 

[sheepdogs1]

You just described the President.

The only reason why i said "there's more than one" was for one reason and one reason only and do you know what that reason was. I knew you guys could not resist fawning over yourselves with your reply. I knew you guys would reply as such before you could even hit the quote button with lightning speed . It's called being predictable and thank you for proving how gullible some of you are. I was also describing some of you yet it went right over your heads. Thank you sweetie pie.

 

[AdaSooner]

their heart in a good place? what does that mean? are okies friendly? sure. so are texans. georgians were also. while seattle-ans (??) are harder to get to know, I liked my neighbors and the people in port orchard. northern californians? meh. southern californians? san diego people were cool, LA not so much. it all varies widely.

“Heart in the right place” to me means people who respond to the less fortunate, people who you can always count on when you need a helping hand. Warm smiles and friendly faces are important, of course, but it goes deeper than that.

I have found that to be true of Okies, especially in Ada, which is why my family and I have been here for well over forty years. No state or city we have lived in was perfect. But Oklahoma was closer to my idea of perfection than anywhere we have been.

 

[sheepdogs1]

“Heart in the right place” to me means people who respond to the less fortunate, people who you can always count on when you need a helping hand. Warm smiles and friendly faces are important, of course, but it goes deeper than that.

I have found that to be true of Okies, especially in Ada, which is why my family and I have been here for well over forty years. No state or city we have lived in was perfect. But Oklahoma was closer to my idea of perfection than anywhere we have been.

Exactly and you do not need to be an Einstein to carry one's self in such a manner as opposed to those who always think they are right and can never offer up anything remotely resembling an apology.

 

[MJSooner]

I get that. All I can say is two things:

1. I, personally, don't get all that inspired by words. Like, those motivational posters, and all the old time quotes and speeches.....for me, don't do much.

2. I think there is a difference between what the President says at a now daily press conference, vs what he might say when addressing the country after a 9/11 or something. Maybe I'm saying that out of convenience for my position, but to me those are different scenarios, and they would have different levels of impact on me.

I agree with you for the most part.

It is just difficult to compare and say the words of a President is more impactful when addressing the country vs. that of a news conference or a tweet because we have never had a President in front of the public like Trump. Part of it is the media age we live in, compared to Reagan for example, but most of it is his narcissist egotistical desire to be at front and center. That is not a swipe, just fact he loves to be in front of the camera and get the attention.

Bush's moment in the rubble wasn't an address to the country, it was through a megaphone to first responders. Not that I approved of all his political ideology, but I think of one of Obama's most powerful moments was his White House briefing right after Sandy Hook. Obama was a media attention hound too. Clinton in OKC.

Those moments lead the spirit of our country, not necessarily motivational or inspire. But they move our country in a direction, whether intended or not.

 

[paboomersooner]

This is such a reach it’s laughable. Any intelligent person that’s not consumed with hate can clearly see this is not trumps fault. Too many people want to remove personal responsibility and blame everything on a man they hate. It’s a sickness.

You ignore the crimes and misdemeanors of people you like or support and blame those you hate for all the worlds problems.

Michael Savage beat you to it.

Liberalism Is A Mental Disorder Paperback – November 23, 2010
by Michael Savaage

 

[coolm]

Michael Savage beat you to it.

Liberalism Is A Mental Disorder Paperback – November 23, 2010
by Michael Savaage

yeah, that proves it. LOL

I love it when conservatives pimp some book that one of them wrote to get money from the others. I assume it's all written in sheep.

 

[thebigabd]

Michael Savage beat you to it.

Liberalism Is A Mental Disorder Paperback – November 23, 2010
by Michael Savaage

Hahaha, Michael Savage. Good lord.

That dude is a complete lunatic. I am pretty sure he is banned from entering EU countries, or at least the UK.

 

[paboomersooner]

That's a decent summation ABD. Many of his detractors don't really understand him. I actually wrote in a candidate last election because I didn't like my choices. Trump is not Republican, nor is he necessarily conservative.....Trump is Trump.

Trump has personal character issues...no doubt. But so did Clinton, JFK, Churchill and FDR....to name a few. He doesn't usually represent himself very well. He's thin-skinned and doesn't like people disagreeing with him. He is a poor speaker that goes "off script" way too often which leads to mis-statements, exaggerations and lies. He also, at times, doesn't explain his policies very well. I wish he would be more diplomatic and from a personal standpoint, be more dignified in his criticism of his opposition.

Having said that, I have been pleasantly surprised and in agreement with most of his policies. He has governed far more conservative/libertarian that I could have imagined....even though he sucks at explaining it. But by and large, he has produced results. He's taken on China, worked to resolve some issues in the Middle East and made the US energy independent. The economy under his watch (until recently) has been robust.

I think Trump's main appeal to his supporters boils down to one thing.....he fights. He will get in the gutter if he has to....and people love that. I don't necessarily like that at times, but if you punch him.....he punches back twice as hard. Far too often, conservatives in the past would never respond to criticism and basically ignore it.....and let the attacks stick. I believe a large segment of folks on the right had grown tired of being told how bad they were (racist, greedy, sexist, etc.) from the Obama Administration, most of the media, universities, Hollywood, etc. and it finally boiled over. Add to that, another segment of voters were sick of business as usual in DC and clamored for an outsider.

It's just a theory, but IMO....that is how he got elected.

The most sane post I have seen on here in days. I agree almost completely.

 

[thebigabd]

yeah, that proves it. LOL

I love it when conservatives pimp some book that one of them wrote to get money from the others. I assume it's all written in sheep.

Funny things from Michael Savage:

"Autism diagnosing is a racket" designed to get disability payments for "poorer families who have found a new way to be parasites on the government."
-Michael Savage

"Now, the illness du jour is autism. You know what autism is? I'll tell you what autism is. In 99 percent of the cases, it's a brat who hasn't been told to cut the act out. That's what autism is. What do you mean they scream and they're silent? They don't have a father around to tell them, "Don't act like a moron. You'll get nowhere in life. Stop acting like a putz. Straighten up. Act like a man. Don't sit there crying and screaming, idiot."
-Michael Savage

Here is what he said about soldiers with PTSD.

"Everyone has depression in their life. But if the whole nation is told, 'boo-hoo-hoo, come and get a medication, come and get treatment, talk about mental illness.' You know what you wind up with? You wind up with Obama in the White House and liars in every phase of the government. That's what you wind up with. It's a weak, sick, nation. A weak, sick, broken nation. And you need men like me to save the country. You need men to stand up and say stop crying like a baby over everything ... No wonder we're being laughed at around the world. No wonder ISIS can defeat our military."
-Michael Savage

His described himself as... "To the right of Rush and to the left of God."

He's just a shock jock... conspiracy theorist, sure... but mostly just a shock jock.

 

[sheepdogs1]

Perhaps some good news coming in a few weeks.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/he...idemiologist-says/ar-BB11Gnf6?ocid=spartanntp

 

[stormspencer]

Look, I am a conservative who likes many of his policies. But to say his words and how he does things doesn't matter is the antithesis of the definition of a leader and leadership. The problem with politics right now in this country is everything is tribalism. You support the extremes or those in power or you are an idiot.

I think bigabd left out one category in his definition and categorization of political ideology, and that is where I would put myself in- a pragmatic conservative constitutionalist. This is someone that respects the institution and principles that have made our constitution hold up for 230+ years. One who believes in conservative principles both politically and socially, but accepts that partnership with those of all ideologies is needed to get things done in this country. I would call this center-right, which bigabd left out.

In a President, we should be able to have both- results and leadership.

Really good synposis MJ. We are very much aligned on views and thoughts. I may be a little more libertarian than most, but like you, I am a constitutionalist. I was a Ted Cruz guy.....which may make a few on here shudder.

I said it several pages back, I don't like the way that Trump represents himself at times and wish he was better at presentation/speaking. However, he is a NY street fighter and at his age, I don't expect him to become "diplomatic" anytime soon.

As you pointed out, he has delivered on some things and others not so much yet. However, I do believe it is unprecedented the way he has been attacked and scrutinized from day 1....far more than any other president in my lifetime (considerably more than even Reagan or Nixon). It is a constant daily barrage of criticism (some warranted, some not) especially in this plugged-in, social media world. So using that as our filter, I think he has accomplished quite a bit.

 

[MJSooner]

Michael Savage beat you to it.

Liberalism Is A Mental Disorder Paperback – November 23, 2010
by Michael Savaage

Not a liberal by any stretch, but the real title should be:

Political Tribalism Is A Mental Disorder

This goes for both sides.

 

[MsProudSooner]

Everyone else is weighing in on their personal politics so I might as well do the same.

I first registered to vote in 1968 and I registered as a Republican. Not a lot of deep thought went into it - my parents were Republicans and Dwight Eisenhower was one of my heroes. At the time, I thought the Republicans would be more careful with my tax dollar.

As time went on and the Republicans became more and more conservative on social issues I wasn't as in tune with them as much. But, I didn't want to be a one issue voter and conventional wisdom said you needed to be a Republican to have someone to vote for or against in the primaries so I stayed.

By the 1980s, I worked for a Fortune 500 company. The employees at my company were treated well and what was good for business was good for me, right? So I stayed a Republican. Fast forward a few years and things began to change. Pension plans were frozen but unless you were making significantly more than I made, you couldn't afford to put enough into your 401K to make up the difference. Premium payments on our health insurance went up and up but the amount they would pay shrank. Raises became smaller and smaller and then went away altogether. The company sold my part of the company and we were shifted from company, to company, to company - 6 different times. Each time, the bigwigs made a boatload of money and the rank and file employees got the shaft. Even so, I stayed a Republican - even though I voted for fewer and few Republicans - until about 5 years ago.

There were a few straws that broke the camel's back:

1) The constant strangulation of the Oklahoma public schools by the Oklahoma legislature.
2) The emergence of people like Sarah Palin in Republican power circles.

I'm not sure if I've posted it here, but I loathe Donald Trump. I've voted in every Presidential election since 1968 and he is the only candidate that has run that has absolutely no redeeming qualities - no integrity, no honor - nothing.

You say his policies have been good? Maybe if you had a lot invested in the stock market he is. But if you can't afford those luxuries, he hasn't been good for you. If you want more air pollution and more water pollution, he's your man. If you are a racist who has privately fumed at what you call political correctness, he's your man. If you are a guy who wants to grab women who don't want to be grabbed and suffer no consequences, he's your man. If you don't like public education you love the person he put in charge. I could go on but you get the message. History will look back on DT as the worst American President by far.

 

[thebigabd]

Everyone else is weighing in on their personal politics so I might as well do the same.

I first registered to vote in 1968 and I registered as a Republican. Not a lot of deep thought went into it - my parents were Republicans and Dwight Eisenhower was one of my heroes. At the time, I thought the Republicans would be more careful with my tax dollar.

As time went on and the Republicans became more and more conservative on social issues I wasn't as in tune with them as much. But, I didn't want to be a one issue voter and conventional wisdom said you needed to be a Republican to have someone to vote for or against in the primaries so I stayed.

By the 1980s, I worked for a Fortune 500 company. The employees at my company were treated well and what was good for business was good for me, right? So I stayed a Republican. Fast forward a few years and things began to change. Pension plans were frozen but unless you were making significantly more than I made, you couldn't afford to put enough into your 401K to make up the difference. Premium payments on our health insurance went up and up but the amount they would pay shrank. Raises became smaller and smaller and then went away altogether. The company sold my part of the company and we were shifted from company, to company, to company - 6 different times. Each time, the bigwigs made a boatload of money and the rank and file employees got the shaft. Even so, I stayed a Republican - even though I voted for fewer and few Republicans - until about 5 years ago.

There were a few straws that broke the camel's back:

1) The constant strangulation of the Oklahoma public schools by the Oklahoma legislature.
2) The emergence of people like Sarah Palin in Republican power circles.

I'm not sure if I've posted it here, but I loathe Donald Trump. I've voted in every Presidential election since 1968 and he is the only candidate that has run that has absolutely no redeeming qualities - no integrity, no honor - nothing.

You say his policies have been good? Maybe if you had a lot invested in the stock market he is. But if you can't afford those luxuries, he hasn't been good for you. If you want more air pollution and more water pollution, he's your man. If you are a racist who has privately fumed at what you call political correctness, he's your man. If you are a guy who wants to grab women who don't want to be grabbed and suffer no consequences, he's your man. If you don't like public education you love the person he put in charge. I could go on but you get the message. History will look back on DT as the worst American President by far.

Very well said. Spot on.

 

[sheepdogs1]

Everyone else is weighing in on their personal politics so I might as well do the same.

I first registered to vote in 1968 and I registered as a Republican. Not a lot of deep thought went into it - my parents were Republicans and Dwight Eisenhower was one of my heroes. At the time, I thought the Republicans would be more careful with my tax dollar.

As time went on and the Republicans became more and more conservative on social issues I wasn't as in tune with them as much. But, I didn't want to be a one issue voter and conventional wisdom said you needed to be a Republican to have someone to vote for or against in the primaries so I stayed.

By the 1980s, I worked for a Fortune 500 company. The employees at my company were treated well and what was good for business was good for me, right? So I stayed a Republican. Fast forward a few years and things began to change. Pension plans were frozen but unless you were making significantly more than I made, you couldn't afford to put enough into your 401K to make up the difference. Premium payments on our health insurance went up and up but the amount they would pay shrank. Raises became smaller and smaller and then went away altogether. The company sold my part of the company and we were shifted from company, to company, to company - 6 different times. Each time, the bigwigs made a boatload of money and the rank and file employees got the shaft. Even so, I stayed a Republican - even though I voted for fewer and few Republicans - until about 5 years ago.

There were a few straws that broke the camel's back:

1) The constant strangulation of the Oklahoma public schools by the Oklahoma legislature.
2) The emergence of people like Sarah Palin in Republican power circles.

I'm not sure if I've posted it here, but I loathe Donald Trump. I've voted in every Presidential election since 1968 and he is the only candidate that has run that has absolutely no redeeming qualities - no integrity, no honor - nothing.

You say his policies have been good? Maybe if you had a lot invested in the stock market he is. But if you can't afford those luxuries, he hasn't been good for you. If you want more air pollution and more water pollution, he's your man. If you are a racist who has privately fumed at what you call political correctness, he's your man. If you are a guy who wants to grab women who don't want to be grabbed and suffer no consequences, he's your man. If you don't like public education you love the person he put in charge. I could go on but you get the message. History will look back on DT as the worst American President by far.

When people favor one ethnicity over another is that racism?

 

[BoulderSooner]

You say his policies have been good? Maybe if you had a lot invested in the stock market he is. But if you can't afford those luxuries, he hasn't been good for you. If you want more air pollution and more water pollution, he's your man. If you are a racist who has privately fumed at what you call political correctness, he's your man. If you are a guy who wants to grab women who don't want to be grabbed and suffer no consequences, he's your man. If you don't like public education you love the person he put in charge. I could go on but you get the message. History will look back on DT as the worst American President by far.

this is TDS

 

[MJSooner]

The emergence of people like Sarah Palin in Republican power circles.

I'm not sure if I've posted it here, but I loathe Donald Trump. I've voted in every Presidential election since 1968 and he is the only candidate that has run that has absolutely no redeeming qualities - no integrity, no honor - nothing.

You say his policies have been good? Maybe if you had a lot invested in the stock market he is. But if you can't afford those luxuries, he hasn't been good for you. If you want more air pollution and more water pollution, he's your man. If you are a racist who has privately fumed at what you call political correctness, he's your man. If you are a guy who wants to grab women who don't want to be grabbed and suffer no consequences, he's your man. If you don't like public education you love the person he put in charge. I could go on but you get the message. History will look back on DT as the worst American President by far.

As a center-center/right voter, the policies I think have been good have nothing to do with those traits you mention, and I don't disagree with your description with some of his policies.

But as an Oklahoman, deregulation has helped some of our businesses. Renegotiating NAFTA was good or better for American businesses. As a conservative, I like having more conservatives in our judicial system, not just at the Supreme Court level. Labor decisions now no longer favor just unions, like the Hobby Lobby case, businesses win too. We have pared back welfare support in the US. Saying you like some of his policies doesn't mean you support his racial antics, his attitudes toward women, or attitude toward the environment, or cozying up to autocrats. I support none of those. Saying you support some of his policies doesn't even mean you support him either.

Again, political tribalism means that you support one or the other. I don't think that is the way the majority of Americans are. If I don't support AOC or Bernie, it doesn't mean I love Trump. If I disagree with Trump, it doesn't mean I am a liberal.

We need to get back to the time and philosophy that politics are opinions and ideals, not die-hard tribes